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Seer's Lantern Discussion
1 week ago
Wow LurkerInTheBush, I hadn't realized you asked this question so long ago. I meant to reply sooner, but life got in the way. First, I'm glad you like the deck! Aside from the obvious change of the Cluestones to the Signets, I think card draw is the deck's weakest point by far. I prefer reusable effects, so cards like Darksteel Pendant and Seer's Lantern are good choices here for filtering away bad draws.
Ramping for mana other than green is a good choice too. Avacyn's Pilgrim will most likely replace Llanowar Elves for another way to get Woolly Thoctar out on turn 2. Tinder Wall and Orcish Lumberjack are also up for consideration here.
2 weeks ago
Some more mana rocks can help get your general out a turn earlier. Commander's Sphere , Worn Powerstone , Fellwar Stone , Myriad Landscape , Darksteel Ingot , Bontu's Monument , Sol Ring , Mana Geode , Seer's Lantern , Orazca Relic , Magnifying Glass , and Skull of Ramos are decent options. Also you might like Wall of Blood . My friend plays it in his Gisa and it is explosive. Pay 20 life into it, sac it for zombies, and watch heads roll! Coat of Arms is great too if your budget allows.
2 weeks ago
also some of you're mana rocks have negative effects or have a cost every upkeep and that can possibly slow your deck down, edh is a lot about politics and late game, but also about getting ahead early game Grim Monolith , Mana Crypt , and Mana Vault are both giving a negative effect and cost a good bit of money, cards like Thought Vessel , Seer's Lantern , and Ur-Golem's Eye benefit you with mana and some even give an extra abiliy for less money
1 month ago
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it, but Timesifter happens to be one of the dumbest cards to run in colorless EDH. Most other decks are going to be doing their best to keep their curves reasonable, but since you have just buckets of colorless mana-producers your curve is going to run very high. If you run Sensei's Divining Top too, you can probably take around 80 percent of the extra turns.
Sculpting Steel is an excellent way to copy whatever your biggest mana-producer is.
I've never liked the tron lands in EDH. My reasoning is mainly that the reward is too difficult to obtain in a singleton, ninety-nine card deck, and that running more non-basics leaves you more open to attack from Back to Basics , Ruination and Wasteland . Many colorless decks already run a lot of non-basics, but you don't want to run more than you have to. I also think you're running a few too many lands, since you're also (ideally) going to be getting a lot of mana from your rocks. I think you should just do a straight trade of the tron lands for other accelerants.
There're also a few other colorless lands to consider. Cryptic Caves , I think, is better than Seraph Sanctuary ; typically you'd only gain one-ish life off the latter, and the ability to cycle Cryptic Caves late game can be very relevant. Ancient Tomb is a BOMB in most decks, especially colorless ones; if you have the ability to acquire it, run it. Thespian's Stage or Vesuva can copy a good land you want more of; Thespian's Stage is especially funny if you run Dark Depths , which also happens to interact favorably with your Mirage Mirror . Also Blast Zone . And Scorched Ruins .
In general, you want to run more two-mana rocks and fewer three-mana rocks. I don't like Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , etc. simply because if you ran two-mana rocks instead, you could land the rock turn two, untap, play a land, and then land a four-mana spell like Thran Dynamo or Hedron Archive . There're enough two-mana rocks you can run in a colorless deck that I think you may find yourself playing a turn behind where you could be, unnecessarily. Some examples: Thought Vessel , Coldsteel Heart , Everflowing Chalice , Fellwar Stone , Grim Monolith (if you're rich) and Hedron Crawler ... I think replacing the aforementioned and other three-mana rocks with some of these is definitely worth trying. If you wanted, Metalworker is probably the best three-mana dork-rock ever made, though he is around $50 these days.
Tamiyo's Journal and Oracle's Vault are good ways to generate card-advantage in colorless decks. Same goes for Staff of Nin , Mind's Eye (which goes well with Victory Chimes , if you want to leave that in) and Karn, Scion of Urza .
My last suggestion's relevance will depend largely upon your moral compass. I have no issue being a grade-A douche in games, since they're just games, and a good person in important matters; you might feel otherwise. Stax, if you're like me, is the way to go with colorless decks that makes them way better, mainly because you have so much more mana than anyone else at the table can make. Consider some or all of the following: Lodestone Golem , Trinisphere , Thorn of Amethyst , Sphere of Resistance , Chalice of the Void (to be cast on X = 1), Winter Orb (especially good with your rocks and if you run something like Clock of Omens ... Relic of Progenitus is good against a lot of decks, and can cycle for a card when it isn't. Grafdigger's Cage is similar. Finally, you may have luck with Tangle Wire , although that can isn't at its best in the modern day.
Right. Good luck!
3 months ago
Not sure I understand the inclusion of Worn Powerstone over Sol Ring unless its just a placeholder until you get another copy. For scrying power Crystal Ball is strictly superior to Seer's Lantern , [though I would add the Crystal Ball to replace the Manalith as pretty much any mana rock is better here]. My understanding is that despite the low CMC of the deck, Feather is actually fairly mana hungry so perhaps more artifact ramp may be in order to get the engines going sooner.
While I haven't played with or against Feather yet, I watched a few videos and Feather dies a lot even with the instant speed protections so my feeling is you'll really miss not having Swiftfoot Boots , Darksteel Plate , etc. to free up your mana to just buff and draw cards.
3 months ago
Okey, cool! Then I would firstly recommend to take away four lands since (mathematically) you only need about 36 lands to have a good enough chance to draw them without drawing too many at any given time (also depends on how you shuffle of course ;) ). Then I would also again recommend to take a look at my deck when it comes to which lands you should play to up those a notch since there are a lot of lands that aren't very useful (especially the double-lands with no other effects) in the precon.
Other cards I genereally recommend to take out other than the lands:
So these are cards that I don't feel are good enough for the deck idea (casual/budget or not) or simply lack theme-quality. Feel free to ask if you need help replacing these cards with the cards you have or find cards that could fit the deck! :)
4 months ago
2 ways I would build SG on a budget:
Zombie token makers ( Liliana's Reaver ) + Zombie Token lords ( Eternal Skylord ) + kill spells ( Go for the Throat ); since SG makes zombie tokens you can kill an opponent's best creature, reanimate it, and it will get buffed. You will proactively make zombies for offense/defense while reactively killing problem creatures and turning them into your minions.
Strong enter-the-battlefield trigger creatures ( Plaguecrafter ) + Arcane Adaptation + kill spells ( Murder ); since SG makes a token of the exiled creature, being able to get a second trigger is great. With AA you obviously name "zombies" and now all your creatures boost SG' upkeep trigger. You are controlling opponents through your creatures entering the battlefield while, again, you are using kill spells to get rid of threatening creatures you want to turn into zombies.
2 other viable routes, though less 'zombie,' are discard via spells ( Syphon Mind ) and creatures ( Liliana's Specter ) to which you reanimate creatures your opponents' discard & mill via creatures ( Consuming Aberration ) and spells ( Mind Grind ).
You chose a lot of good zombies but I would ask whether they are good enough that you would reanimate? While SG promotes creatures, I would not forget about relevant zombie-focused spells. Ex. Apprentice Necromancer is cute but I would cut it for Cemetery Recruitment since it draws a card too or Ghoulcaller's Chant which grabs 2 back.
I would add more card advantage ( Ambition's Cost , Ancient Craving , Live Fast ) and ramp ( Mind Stone , Dimir Cluestone , Seer's Lantern ). I would shoot 10+ sources of each because nothing is less fun than not being able to cast your spells and top-decking.
The inclusion of Paradox Haze is a great idea!
4 months ago
If you need help with knowing how much/what ramp to use, you might want to check out https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/brewer-s-minute-ramp-math
I am not an expert in mono, but for you I recommend adding:
Myriad Landscape can go in almost any edh deck
Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx is solid in any one- or two-colour deck
Lake of the Dead has a downside, but you won't care when you're using it (trust me)
Petrified Field to protect valuable lands.
I'm not sure how I feel about Temple of the False God , but it is an EDH classic.
Other mono ramp
I ended up finding so many mono ramp cards I thought I might as well make a more full list.
Solemn Simulacrum is a good catch-all
Nirkana Revenant is good in the right deck
Bog Witch is kind of weird, but has fringe uses
I haven't thought hard, but you might be able to do some flicker shenanigans with Priest of Gix
Worst case, an edh deck can always load up on rocks. These are some of the best ones for mono black
Sol Ring every edh deck should include this
Pillar of Origins for tribal decks
In most games, these do the same thing: Commander's Sphere , Cryptolith Fragment Flip, Cultivator's Caravan , Darksteel Ingot , Hierophant's Chalice , Honor-Worn Shaku , Mana Prism , Manalith , Orazca Relic , Phyrexian Totem , Powerstone Shard , Pristine Talisman , Seer's Lantern , Serum Powder , Skull of Ramos , Sol Grail , Spectral Searchlight , Vessel of Endless Rest , Victory Chimes , and Chromatic Lantern
Thought Vessel if you fill your hand
Chrome Mox is usually worth the card disadvantage
Mox Amber if you usually have your commander/a legendary thing out
Mox Diamond if lands in your graveyard is a good thing
Mox Opal if you have 2+ extra artifacts
Black Market is good if you tend to sacrifice/kill a lot of creatures
Liliana of the Dark Realms is nice with proliferate, and makes sure you don't miss land drops in the mid/late-game
Sword of the Animist is best with one-mana creatures, and if you attack often, but might be justified even if not
Carnival of Souls is fun with some creature-based combos
Crypt of Agadeem works, but only if you consistently have 4+ creatures in the graveyard
Phyrexian Tower eats your creatures
Cabal Coffers is a staple
Cabal Stronghold is great if you can't afford many nonbasics, and might be good enough besides.
Seer's Lantern occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%