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Summer Bloom Discussion
2 months ago
2 months ago
I agree with all but Once Upon a Time being unbanned. I for one would dread playing OuaT Tron but there’s also CoCo, Elves, Infect, Bogles. OuaT was used in Prime Time decks but OuaT was banned for ubiquity, like Green Sun's Zenith. It certainly has a better chance of unban with Primeval Titan out of the picture, but that doesn’t solve what made OuaT a problem.
Ban Primeval Titan
2 months ago
Oof_Magic I'd be happy to see Field of the Dead come back in exchange for Primeval Titan taking its place - that card can already be held largely responsible for many of the currently banned modern cards (as well as FotD, you could blame it for the bans of Once Upon a Time, and Summer Bloom, both of which might conceivably have a better chance of unban if Titan was gone). Titan is also (in my opinion) the biggest abuser of Urza's Saga, which I think is a perfectly fine (kindof) card outside of Titan-related-abuses.
2 months ago
SynergyBuild I checked out a video explaining the Trickery deck and I concede, that is ridiculous. I had imagined it as being just as frail as something like Treasure Hunt + Lightning Storm. But the more cascade heavy variant would be trying you with that nonsense every single turn. Trickery is on par with Hypergenesis.
I maintain that Karn was the proper ban. The ‘only exists in the format to do broken things’ is applicable to any combo deck. Decks playing Thassa's Oracle probably aren’t looking to do ‘fair’ things. If Teferi, Time Raveler also could tutor for Knowledge Pool, I don’t think that would make Pool broken. Karn was the problem. The tutor doubled as a damned combo piece! That’s silly! If you could humor me for downtown hyptheticalville, if we errata Karn’s static ability away and add Null Rod to the format, I don’t think anything gets banned.
I definitely agree that Oko is far from safe to plug in right now. But I see it as a card where the meta may evolve to a point that it can accept Oko. I’m simply differentiating cards I think are up for discussion at some point or not. I don’t know what it would take to make the Oko conducive to Modern and whether that says anything good about the format. Oko doesn’t strike me as a Hypergenesis, Tibalt's Trickery, Dread Return, or Summer Bloom type of ban. And there are definitely different types of bans. I see Oko like Jace, the Mind Sculptor, Splinter Twin, or Umezawa's Jitte where we look back every couple years and wonder ‘Is it safe now?’ I agree I wouldn’t have any to see his stupid face any time soon but I wasn’t exactly thrilled to be seeing Jace and Stoneforge Mystic (talk about a linear play pattern). If we unleashed entirety of the ban list, maybe a Delver Oko build would be the one challenger amid a sea of combo decks. But I don’t think Oko would be very meaningful there. Modern would immediately become degenerate and some refer to Modern as Legacy-lite already. While I think the unleashing of absurd combos would be the totality of that transformation, perhaps releasing Oko is the first step in that direction. A direction that is ultimately unhealthy for the format. Aka: Where other bans are absolute, consensus, and thoroughly unquestionable, Oko is at least up for discussion.
2 months ago
Hello fellow Planeswalkers. I made this thread so we can discuss the cards currently on the Modern banlist (SEE BOTTOM OF POST) and look if there may be candidates for unbanning, since it has been a while since something moved off the list.
I'm one of those crazy people that wants to live in a world where Mental Misstep and Gitaxian Probe are legal, but I see how that's not realistic whatsoever, so I won't talk about here. Let's have this discussion to be about REALISTIC, reasonable and safe unbannings.
Here are my candidates:
Deathrite Shaman - With all the easy cheap removal and grave hate in the format plus the general push of power level in the recent years, is this really a big deal anymore? Not even sure Jund wants it anymore. Since this doesn't enable a game winning combo or lockout on the spot, I think it deserves a second chance.
Artifact land cycle ala Ancient Den. So, they even injected another 10 artifact lands - are those even being played much competitively? My gut is this was a probe to see if they indeed could unban the old artifact lands. Artifact removal is much more available these days and the old artifact lands don't even come with indestructible sooo...
Rite of Flame - but Sergio! Fast mana is broken. Yes indeed. But they did ban Simian Spirit Guide and hear my out why Rite of Flame is weaker. SSG does not require you to play or a mountain to activate, Rite does and even costs a mana to begin with. SSG has a secondary feature being a creature and can be cast at a reasonable cost of 3 mana. Rite doesn't have that. Since they took Mox Opal and SSG, I think Rite of Flame might deserve a chance as a weaker substitution.
Please tell me what you think about that and/or show me your argumenst for other unbannings that you can see happening.
4 months ago
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5 months ago
The Bloom combo is a perfect fit for this deck thematically and functionally. It absolutely is something you should consider adding in.
The Bloom combo functions in a simple enough manner. With 3 Islands, Squandered Resources , and Crucible of Worlds in play, Summer Bloom , Mystic Sanctuary and Waterlogged Grove (or similar horizon land) available to be played in hand (or already on the board), and an available you're set up. Use the to cast Summer Bloom to net three additional land drops. Play Mystic Sanctuary, using it's triggered ability to put Summer Bloom back on top of the library. Play Waterlogged Grove. Play any other land that can produce green mana (including those already in play by first sacrificing it to Squandered Resources for mana). Tap the Mystic Sanctuary for , sacrifice it for , tap the other land for mana, sacrifice it for any color of mana it can produce. Use to sacrifice Waterlogged Grove for it's ability to draw a card and draw Summer Bloom from the top of the deck. There is now remaining to cast Summer Bloom as well as one left over mana of any color that the third land could produce. Repeat this loop for infinite mana.
This loop can also generate infinite draw. Every third iteration of the loop can be used to play Waterlogged Grove, use the from the Sanctuary to draw Bloom off the top, then replay Waterlogged Grove and use the second mana from sacrificing Sanctuary to draw the next card of the library.
Alternatively, the loop can also be used to restock the library with relevant instants and sorceries. Every third iteration of the loop can be used to play Mystic Sanctuary to put any instant or sorcery on top of the deck, then tap the Sanctuary for mana and sacrifice it for mana before playing it again from the graveyard to put Summer Bloom back on top of the library. The third additional land play can then be used to play Waterlogged Grove, sacrificing it to draw Bloom off the top.
With Noxious Revival these loops can be used to return every card in the graveyard to the library. First generate infinite mana, next generate infinite land drops by only using two land drops per loop iteration to play Mystic Sanctuary and Waterlogged Grove to reset, redraw, and replay Summer Bloom. Then cast Noxious Revival on any target in the graveyard to put it on top of the library, play Mystic Sanctuary to put Noxious Revival on top, play Waterlogged Grove, then sacrifice Mystic Sanctuary for mana and Waterlogged Grove to draw the Noxious Revival. Repeat this portion of the loop until all cards are returned from the graveyard to the library.
Since you'll already be using all of these pieces aside from Summer Bloom any ways in an effective land value matters themed deck the opportunity cost is essentially non-existent to include the cherry on top.
1 year ago
I just finished a version of Obuun, as well. I like your version here. Consider swapping Seer's Sundial for Horn of Greed. I would trade out cards like Nylea's Intervention and Reclaim the Wastes for cards that actually put lands onto the battlefield, getting more landfall triggers. Rampant Growth, Primal Growth, Far Wanderings, spells like that. Spells like Summer Bloom, Explore and Broken Bond might be better, too.
Does your playgroup allow the Wish cards to be played? Most don't, so just curious.