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At the beginning of each player's upkeep, destroy target nonartifact creature that player controls of his or her choice. It can't be regenerated.
The Abyss Discussion
2 weeks ago
I want to give this list a shot but don't have and cannot currently obtain a Nether Void , Chains of Mephistopheles , and The Abyss . Barring proxies, do you have recommendations for budget-friendly alternatives? Are Possessed Portal , Pox , and Painful Quandary decent replacements?
1 month ago
Proxies are so widely accepted that banning on the premise of price is inherently deleterious to the format. Use proxies, or don't. The cards are old as all heck and if you're mad some cards out of 16k are expensive, you should probably look at the price of stuff like Imperial Seal , Nether Void , The Abyss , Chains of Mephistopheles . All of these cards are legal and that's just fine. They are good cards more people should have access to.
And high mana cost combos aren't worth banning smh. Cool they do a lot, leave them legal. None are anywhere as silly as Consultation/Flash Hulk and those arent being discussed for a ban.
There are legitimately problematic things in the format (Tymna), but 3 card 4 or 5+ mana combos are fine even if they literally win you the game. Why? You gotta find those cards and cast them without being interacted with. Good luck.
2 months ago
Hi Final-Wolf, some of the more expensive dual lands can be replaced by cycling fetchable lands or other things that can provide the dual lands. You can also replace The Abyss with Magus of the Abyss , Chains of Mephistopheles with Mindslicer and Nether Void with another stax piece.
3 months ago
Yeah, I agree with CyborgAeon here. Chains > The Abyss > Nether Void for me.
In other news, I am extremely pleased with Yawgmoth, Thran Physician and highly advise anyone give him a shot.
3 months ago
With regard to The Abyss - though I'm not the primary person to talk with on this: in cEDH it is likely to have a pretty low impact (meta dependent). Of course it's great against decks that rely on very few creatures, but at four mana for an enchantment which could be removed before you pass the turn (making it a 1-for-1) it is quite low power.
The majority of decks can assemble their win from very little, some fringe decks require a number of creatures together to win - these are often considered lower power, but against these The Abyss shines.
Cards like Nether Void are fantastic when you're able to break parity (like with Mishra, Artificer Prodigy ) but in this deck we would have only Liliana, Defiant Necromancer . Furthermore we're semi reliant on other player's on-stack interaction to stop us from losing early (consider why we don't run Defense Grid ). The downsides don't stop there: we can't win when void is out!!!
4 months ago
hmm random brewing though that popped into my head, Metallic Mimic and Lesser Masticore can make for part of a hulk grab that is only 4 cmc (or 5 with a seer) that the masticore can also combo dmg like a... where's Walking Ballista ? the unicorn allows a hulk combo with ballista, actually you might just want the mimic over the unicorn, in all the plan b combos you have it's unlikely you'd just blind drop the unicorn before you already had the other combo piece ready since a table of cedh will likely hate it out fast, so you can do mimic naming the creature type you want the extra counter on.
oh yeah back to the mimic with masticore combo benefits, masticore can be a discard effect when you'd want one (good for a reanimator version) when you combo with an altar it's an infinite dmg source on it's own, mimic and masticore would also be completely colorless, being a lot more friendly than messenger to say the least to cast it also works with more of your tutors... I caught myself rambling but to say the least it works better than messenger, and I have to admit, Earthcraft with only 3 basics in deck might make it weaker than it should be, sure you have many fetch, but it also nobo's with your Root Maze . Dark Confidant in most cases might be weaker than say a Elvish Visionary , Tymna the Weaver , or even just a Sign in Blood type spell ( I can't remember the 1B version name from mirrodin block), it's slow and inefficient for cedh.
my final suggestion would be Concordant Crossroads , in cedh it likely will just be a sorcery that gives your creatures haste on the turn you make infinite tokens, but it is also a world enchantment which will world rule destroy another world enchantment like The Abyss or Nether Void . it's also likely there can be tables where just playing crossroads will benefit just you.
Though for overall power level issue I'd say card advantage is what this deck most could use, maybe a cycle land Life from the Loam package, necro and library do help, but having some of a draw engine that doesn't shut off when a smart group attacks into you (cedh tables send all their creatures at the black/green players to shut off their draw engines). I could ramble forever and must stop myself now, sorry if it cuts out on a weird place.
5 months ago
Baleful Force i would do instead of blood gift demon cause its cheaper (price wise) and a bigger creature
I always love a good chainer build so it kinda caught my eye to see a budget version. Chaining together a kill streak is nowhere near budget but its one of my favorite decks if you wanna have a look
5 months ago
First off I want to say: I love the deck. Nice one, yo.
Some spice you could consider is: The Abyss / Nether Void both are the same mana and are exceptional at shutting off cedh decks. Smokestack effects aren't strong enough. But these make the game nigh unplayable.
Not the best suggestion. But an option could be Ob Nixilis, Unshackled as an option to slide under the radar. I also find Erebos, God of the Dead does well in Aetherflux Reservoir metas, as it's indestructible - so it nearly always needs to be bounced. Furthermore it draws cards... what more could you want?
Lastly I'm certain that you could run naus in here. The number of times you'd die to it would probably be reasonable, as it's just a second copy of belzenlok.
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