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Grand Melee Discussion
1 month ago
I was really hoping they'd reprint Grasp of Fate in this set of precons, a long with a bunch of the other commander exclusive cards. For the moment, some of the above are just a bit above what I want to shell out for right now.
I'm scouting around my local group for some better jeskai/gold lands to trade for at the moment. I actually have some partially-on-color khans/zendikar fetchlands, but none that have both colors relevant, and right now I only have one nonbasic land here with land types, so I'm holding them for other decks.
Will Kenrith and Rowan Kenrith were definitely something I was discussing with people, since they have pretty good synergy with this deck, and I think this deck is well put together to defend planeswalkers, but I'm intimidated by the 6 cmc requirements on both of them. That said, I think Will is probably fine as his abilities, while a bit more generic in terms of value than Rowan's here, are still pretty great. I might try them out and see how the perform, if for no other reason than the fact that they sound like a lot of fun.
I'm reluctant to run parallel effects like Grand Melee that prompt mandatory attacks in this deck, as I'm not sure my own creatures are up to the task of attacking into one of my opponents every turn.
The wraths I picked here are intentionally situational as I'm hoping to leave some creatures alive with Dusk / Dawn or Tragic Arrogance to maintain the situation that allows me to keep having my opponents fight it out, but that might be too greedy in the long run. There are also better situational wraths, but I'm still trying to keep my costs down.
I may post an "optimized" hypothetical list for this later for use by other people and keep a separate copy for myself with tighter cost restrictions.
1 month ago
Ponder and Preordain are worth including in any blue deck. They dig you to whatever you need, and past what you don't. Brainstorm is good, too, but you'd need to run more shuffle effects to make it worth playing. Slow fetches, like Flood Plain or Rocky Tar Pit , are cheaper alternatives to the Onslaught and Zendikar fetches.
You can probably do more in terms of artifact ramp. Talisman of Progress is good in addition to your Talisman of Conviction and Talisman of Creativity . Thought Vessel is also great; I suggest cutting Reliquary Tower for a basic land if you run it, as one of this effect is probably enough, and Thought Vessel can ramp you fast if it comes down turn two. (In other words, it doesn't cost a land drop.)
You should consider Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time -- both may be difficult, as delving for one means the other is harder to cast. I think in this deck, which appears more control than combo, Treasure Cruise is likely the better choice. It provides slightly more card advantage, and Dig Through Time is good mainly for card selection, rather than advantage.
Enlightened Tutor seems like it'd be kinda a powerhouse in this deck. It's on the pricier side of cards, but being able to tutor for whatever prison effect you need is a really, really good thing.
In terms of planeswalkers, Rowan Kenrith seems real good; needles to say, the +2 ability is especially good if you target an opponent who can't attack you. If you choose to, Will Kenrith is also ok. He tutors for Rowan Kenrith , and vice versa. Note that the partner effect triggers even if you don't have the other half, so if you really wanted, you can search and fail to find, then shuffle. This is useful if you get Brainstorm locked, but I don't advise planning on doing this frequently.
There're some hate-filled cards you can consider running, in order to pressure opponents' life totals not exclusively through combat. Scab-Clan Berserker , Harsh Mentor , Eidolon of the Great Revel , Pyrostatic Pillar , Sulfuric Vortex and friends are all worth considering.
Cleansing Meditation can be good in the right meta.
Good luck man!
2 months ago
Sorry for the double post, but I find it interesting that takes Voltron to a whole new level. Just drop some Swords of X/Y on him and then run card's like Grand Melee and he will always attack!
5 months ago
5 months ago
I'm thinking some cards such as War's Toll , Avatar of Slaughter , Curse of the Nightly Hunt , Fumiko the Lowblood and Grand Melee would be good options fitting into the style of deck you are wanting. In black, No Mercy and Dread seem like excellent ways to punish attacks. Finally, maybe Angel's Trumpet , a weird card but makes people have to think twice about not attacking.
10 months ago
ZendikariWol: Hmmm, interesting! While I can totally imagine a curse-themed version of this deck, I'm not sure that's exactly the route I was planning on for this. I'll consider each card individually however, because some of those are quite spicy.
I was originally running combat forcing cards like Grand Melee (although I will admit your suggestions are better than that), and it just seemed like it hurt me more than anyone else, since combat is certainly not this decks specialty. Maybe forcing opponents to attack each other would be sweet- or maybe too mean. Thanks for the suggestions!
10 months ago
I feel like there's too many expensive bombs. Instead of giving focussing too much on trample and the cost of an efficient curve (big creatures with trample tend to cost a lot of mana) you may want to add more tutors for your resilient trample outlets like Rhonas and Nylea. Brawn is even an option.
1 year ago
IMO, with a good amount of playtesting you don't need quite as much redundant "force attack" creatures... hard to say. I usually focus on populating my opponents with little pingers or laying down groupslug stuff early on, then drop Thantis once the field has been populated. I have found that it is not such a bad thing to let them rush at you with a mid-level swing wide approach, either your crackback is going to massive... or a token/overrun strategy is so out-of-hand that you are already going to lose anyway. I think Grand Melee, Goblin Diplomats, Fumiko the Lowblood are all redundant.
LIFELINK tested better for me than deathtouch! My reason for this: having a giant spider kills enemies just as dead as deathtouch. Evasion? I'm not that worried about evasion unless the majority of my opponent's field is vigilant (happened once) In which case it was a war of attrition where my slug enchantments went to work. That being said: Bow of Nylea is low CMC & a swiss army knife of abilities. Poison-Tip Archer life-loss ability is still sweet. Whip of Erebos does SERIOUS WORK, gives limited recursion someone mentioned above. I forced a bunch of 1/1's to attack me (blocked one with Thantis) and GAINED life due to Thantis growing before combat dmg was assessed, then I crackbacked for massive lifegain... also toying with Loxodon Warhammer for this purpose.
I don't tend to use much "dictate" effects because my strategy pretty much assures that they have an ample supply of weenies to sac anyway & I want those weenies to go to work popping dmg through on tapped-out opponents, not durdling around with sac-all day slowdown stuff. In effect, 4:7 games I have populated opponents with creatures, played small nuisance groupslug enchantments, somebody predictably controls the field with creature-based boardwipes, I enjoy my incremental dmg enchantments going to work on an empty battlefield.
My deck may have some decent ideas (although the idea behind it is MINIMAL CONTROL, which alot of people are uncomfortable with).
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