Citadel Siege

Enchantment

As this enters the battlefield, choose Khans or Dragons.

• Khans — At the beginning of combat on your turn, put two +1/+1 counters on target creature you control.
• Dragons — At the beginning of combat on each opponent's turn, tap target creature that player controls.

Discussion (49)

forneyt on Wanna attack me? Not this turn

1 month ago

I'm glad I could help! I have some other suggestions if it's no longer budget (I won't include Mana Crypt an stuff though haha) and you want to improve it some more: I see that you also have Ohran Frostfang , which is a great deterrent for your opponents deciding to block. Another good source of Deathtouch could be Bow of Nylea , which also does some other cool abilities on top of giving deathtouch. Some other good drawing enchantments include Garruk's Uprising , Elemental Bond , and Colossal Majesty . Since you run anthems, these guys can trigger on your weenies too. If you want something more consistent, Beast Whisperer and Mentor of the Meek are also good draw power. A fun card that puts creatures onto your opponent's side of the board is Hungry Lynx , especially because it gives your commander protection from the creatures it makes! Legion Loyalist seems perfect in this deck since he gives all your creatures first strike, trample, and evasion from tokens, and all of those things make it easier to get the goad trigger. Dragonmaster Outcast and Emeria Angel can make even more flying tokens to get that sweet goading trigger. Feldon of the Third Path seems good for when things are inevitably in the graveyard and you want to use them. Blade of Selves lets you use a creature you already have even more! Some other ramp that you haven't included is Selesnya Signet , Sol Ring , Rampant Growth , and Sword of the Animist . Anthems that you might consider are War Horn , Spear of Heliod , and Glory of Warfare .

The cards I would cut include: The small creatures with only a landwalk ability, like Dwarven Grunt and Treetop Scout ( Dryad Sophisticate is good, though). They are limited in their ability to get in for damage, and don't do much else beyond that, which makes them your more weak cards. I agree with your decision to try to cut the Hunted Troll , but the Hunted Dragon seems good since you can swing immediately and goad the tokens it makes. Although the Soltari creatures with shadow are good, I think you may have too many of them--they are intensive, and only Soltari Champion and Soltari Visionary really do anything when you use them. The Healer's Hawk and Segovian Angel are basically really bad Serra Ascendant s. If you want the 1-drop, maybe consider Figure of Destiny (gets bigger) or even Rhys the Redeemed (makes tokens). Citadel Siege and Dictate of Heliod are too slow and/or costly to make an impact, in my opinion. You know your meta better though.

DespairFaction on Rograkh with His Faithfull Horse

3 months ago

Alright heres my main tips. First cut the creatures that dont matter, thats going to be swiftspear, and segovian angel. Next I dont really love being in on Auras. One removal spell and they all go away so, I believe that sentinel eyes and dragon mantle are going to be underwhelming, cut battlemastery. While its good, you can get more permanent sources of double strike from things like duelist heritage, bloodmist or True Conviction .

I think you are going to want 2-3 extra combat cards. Pick the ones that you have access to. Aurelia is the best, and Waves of Aggression and Aggravated Assault combo with sword of feast and famine. You are going to want a mask of memory, and probably a tome of legends, and because Tome of Legends , likely a Manifold Key . Finally you are going to want more things that put size and abilities on Rograkh. Thats going to be as many swords of X and Y as you have, with Sinew and Steel being the next best in line and dont forget about sword of DnD. I would get a Citadel Siege in the deck somewhere as another way to add more size. Other good equipment are Champion's Helm and Hammer of Nazahn , Maul of the Skyclaves , Loxodon Warhammer , Embercleave , Sword of Vengeance . A few value equipments you are missing are the alreayd mentioned, Mask of Memory , Dowsing Dagger  ^Flip, Explorer's Scope .

Once you get the equipment figured out, you'll want to get a bit more removal. 10-12 pieces for midpower metas and 13-15 for high power is usually about right. Volcanic Offering is a great piece, blasphemous act especially if you load up on red swords. Heliod's Intervention and Dismantling Wave are great artifacts and enchantments, Chandra's Ignition could be another nice 1 sided board wipe.

Since this is partner deck dont be afraid to go lower on the creature count. YOu have 2 in the command zone, so you could safely go down around 15 creatures or so. Good luck!

DespairFaction on Rograkh with His Faithfull Horse

3 months ago

Alright heres my main tips. First cut the creatures that dont matter, thats going to be swiftspear, and segovian angel. Next I dont really love being in on Auras. One removal spell and they all go away so, I believe that sentinel eyes and dragon mantle are going to be underwhelming, cut battlemastery. While its good, you can get more permanent sources of double strike from things like duelist heritage, bloodmist or True Conviction.

I think you are going to want 2-3 extra combat cards. Pick the ones that you have access to. Aurelia is the best, and Waves of Aggression and Aggravated Assault combo with sword of feast and famine. You are going to want a mask of memory, and probably a tome of legends, and because Tome of Legends, likely a Manifold Key. Finally you are going to want more things that put size and abilities on Rograkh. Thats going to be as many swords of X and Y as you have, with Sinew and Steel being the next best in line and dont forget about sword of DnD. I would get a Citadel Siege in the deck somewhere as another way to add more size. Other good equipment are Champion's Helm and Hammer of Nazahn, Maul of the Skyclaves, Loxodon Warhammer, Embercleave, Sword of Vengeance. A few value equipments you are missing are the alreayd mentioned, Mask of Memory, Dowsing Dagger  ^Flip, Explorer's Scope.

Once you get the equipment figured out, you'll want to get a bit more removal. 10-12 pieces for midpower metas and 13-15 for high power is usually about right. Volcanic Offering is a great piece, blasphemous act especially if you load up on red swords. Heliod's Intervention and Dismantling Wave are great artifacts and enchantments, Chandra's Ignition could be another nice 1 sided board wipe.

Since this is partner deck dont be afraid to go lower on the creature count. YOu have 2 in the command zone, so you could safely go down around 15 creatures or so. Good luck!

ZendikariWol on Atraxa Infect/Proliferate

4 months ago

Heyya Tanman, taking a look at the list and I have some broad critiques and some smaller ones. Let's start big.

• You don't have enough +1/+1 counter cards to make it worth including payoffs for.

• If you're playing infect, you're gonna need evasion, because no one in their right mind just lets an infect creature through, and honestly they're pretty small bois to begin with. Fleshing out the +1 counter package may help with this, big creatures are more troublesome to block and effects like Tuskguard Captain and Abzan Falconer can provide evasion beyond just being big and chunky.

• You could do with a bit more ramp and a LOT more card draw.

• Cards that are probably cuttable include:

Melira, Sylvok Outcast: This synergizes with Phyrexian Unlife, yes, but what else does it do? I don't think this card does enough to justify ots inclusion.

Oko, the Trickster: I see this walker being cast for 6 mana, putting two +1 counters on one of your dudes, and immediately being focused to death by the rest of the table because its ult wins the game. You'd honestly be better off with Citadel Siege, it's harder to kill.

Arrest, Luminous Bonds, and Pacifism: in our meta, with so many creatures that either don't need to attack or can just be sacrificed, you're better off using kill spells like Mortify, Putrefy, or Swords to Plowshares (especially Swords bc exile beats recursion).

Grave Betrayal: such a sweet card, but much too slow.

Omen of the Dead and Omen of the Hunt: neither of these really do anything to further your gameplan. The fact that they're enchantments doesn't matter to this deck, and there are stronger recursion and ramp options.

Sunbond: There are 5 cards in this entire deck that gain you life. Goes great with your commander but there are a lot of things I'd rather spend my turn 4 on.

Courage in Crisis: Three whole mana for this effect? It's not a horrible card, but definitely inefficient.

Debt to the Deathless: This card would only be okay if damage was your primary win condition. As is? Not good.

Duneblast: The 7-mana slot may not be ideal for a wrath? Maybe this one is fine tho, idk.

Planewide Celebration: 7 mana to proliferate four times? No.

Storm Herd: Once again, this might be fine if damage was your wincon. You'd get a bunch of evasive attackers. As is? Probably not good.

Insidious Will and Memory Drain: probably go for cheaper counterspells, like Disdainful Stroke, Negate, or Essence Scatter.

Altogether though, great first deck, this would've kicked the crap out of my old Marath build back in the day.

GoblinElectromancer on Azorius Army

8 months ago

I think it's better to keep the deck size to 60 because it will be a lot more consistent and you probably won't mill yourself.

To cut: 2 Opt or Serum Visions, Feat of Resistance, Frantic Inventory, Dovin, Hand of Control, Spear of Heliod, Daxos of Meletis, Grand Arbiter Augustin IV, Citadel Siege, Teferi's Ageless Insight, Jace, Memory Adept, and Teferi, Timeless Voyager.

I don't know about the rest of the deck and playing a couple extra cards can't hurt as long as you play extra lands. If you do play extra cards play Yorion, Sky Nomad as your companion so that you can get a free card every game.

Good Luck on the deck!

Cmi1103 on [EDH] Arahbo, Roar of Kitties (v1.5)

8 months ago

Nice Build! I find it cool that you used very little to no equipment artifacts to pump up your cats. I have a build like this that, funny enough, is mostly equipment based. I just find it's slightly harder to get rid of artifacts than it is creatures. If I was going to recommend anything that could help out that's not equipment based (If you want equipment recommendations check out my build: Cats Pumping Iron!) you could maybe look into Overwhelming Stampede or Citadel Siege.

linkzero on Godzilla Vs. Mechagodzilla | A Movie Within a Deck

10 months ago

Hey, I really enjoyed your theme of bringing the story of the movie into the deck.

Going along the flavour of the deck, my suggestions to consider would be in regards to Godzilla's Atomic Breath. Balancing out the need for the cards to be worthwhile, if you were heading along the breath of fire route, would you consider Firebreathing?

Otherwise, I think cards like Radiant Purge, Sight of the Scalelords, Citadel Siege, Frontier Siege, Outpost Siege, Day of Judgment (particularly the Magic Player Rewards version), maybe Banishing Light or something similar, all depict more of a 'light beam' breath rather than just fire.

TCK_Green on TempesT's Smash face dinos

11 months ago

"Gishath Strong! Gishath Quick! Gishath gonna stomp your face!" :D

Of course WTTempesT, happy to offer what little wisdom I have :) had I known you were all part of the same playgroup I would have told you to scrap your plans, all build creature-based Mathas, Fiend Seeker decks, and watch the carnage unfold! :D (that actually sounds quite fun now that I think of it...)

Be warned, I've never built a Dinosour tribal deck so my advice might not be amazing, but I'll advise the best I can :) the first thing that strikes me about Gishath is that his ability triggers on combat damage dealt to players. That means you're incentivised to make Gishath (A) super-stronk and (B) 'quick' (i.e. unblockable) so that you flip more cards and get the biggest dinosaurs. It's also important the Gishath is (C) evasive so that he doesn't just disappear to removal when you try to attack.

Quick caveat before you start the essay below - don't see the huge wall of text as meaning there's lots to fix with your deck! It's more the case that I think as I write, and seeing as you're asking me about a deck type I've never thought about before, I've got lots more to think through than I've had for either of your friends! :) and with that...

Gishath Strong!

There's a few options here - you could buff Gishath specifically, put out some anthems to make all your dinosaurs stronger, or make his attacks do more damage. Personally, since he's already got Trample I'd go in a double-strike direction, and add cards like Duelist's Heritage, Blood Mist or Berserkers' Onslaught to go alongside your Goring Ceratops. Alternatively, since you've already got Odric, Lunarch Marshal you could just go 'keyword soup' and chuck in cards like Momentum Rumbler and Ridgetop Raptor, but that's quite clunky and doesn't really fit the theme. (Oh, Silverblade Paladin is another decent way of giving double-strike, but again, it doesn't really fit your theme.)

If we're looking at giving Gishath double strike, then it might be worth thinking of ways to buff his power by 4. 11 power is the sweet spot for a One-Hit KO by a double strike commander. For example, if you've already got Citadel Siege and Sight of the Scalelords then you could cast Gishath and kill someone on the same turn. Alternatively, Xenagos, God of Revels does this 'better', but is a little more expensive. (Theoretically this is already possible with how your deck is set up with Bellowing Aegisaur and some of your 'deal 1 damage' creatures, but it's convoluted!)

You'll note that I didn't mention Overwhelming Stampede above. In my mind this is more of a 'win-more' card - great if you've already got a board established and untap with Gishath already out - but if you're in that position then chances are you're already won :) it's worth thinking how you're going to catch up if others are ahead, but I'll leave you to think about that.

The other way to get the damage through (and a way of getting super-synergy value if you have a way of giving your creatures haste) is to have ways of giving extra combat steps. Can't kill someone with combat damage in one swing? That's fine, just swing twice! I'd say the best combat-'doubler' with haste is Breath of Fury since you can move the enchantment onto some of the new dinosaurs that you're hitting, and the best without haste would be Aggravated Assault. Alternatively, if you have creatures with vigilance (e.g. Gishath), then you could go funky and use something like Godo, Bandit Warlord as your combat doubler :)

Gishath Quick!

Unblockable Gishath is good. I like the Rogue's Passage in the deck - I'd also be tempted to chuck a Key to the City in there as well :) some other great cards to consider are Glaring Spotlight which can make your whole board unblockable for 3 mana and Whispersilk Cloak, especially since it gives the bonus of 'thick skin' shroud protection. (It would mean that you couldn't target him with your own abilities and spells, so that might be something to think about.) Other things to consider are ways of giving Gishath evasion - Sky Terror works well with the keyword soup route, though it's a jump through a hoop which the Majestic Heliopterus you already have in the deck doesn't require. Another alternative I'd suggest is Skyshaper - I quite like this as a one-time way to give your board flying, not to mention that it's free to sacrifice and can therefore be used the turn Gishath is played!

One question to ask is 'how many sources of unblockable or other evasion do I need in my deck'. Let's say that you're preparing to play Gishath on T8 and want to have your unblockable ready to go by T7. Assuming that you've not drawn any extra cards, then during T7 you'll have seen 15/99 of the cards in your deck - more if you have any card draw. At that rate you only need 7 sources of something for it to be fairly likely to have on in hand by then. If you're optimising this then you might put more in, if you're not hugely bothered then you might have less. Personally I think Rogue's Passage, Key to the City, Glaring Spotlight and Whispersilk Cloak are enough ways to reliably get Gishath unblockable on T8-9 without needing flying/etc, but that depends on how much you want to rely on Gishath. Remember that the more non-dinosaurs you put in the deck, the less likely you are to not hit useful things with Gishath's triggers!

Gishath is king over aaaall land!

Speaking of 'how many sources to have in a deck', let's talk about your lands and ramp. The best way to be 'quicker' than your opponents is to make sure that you've got enough lands down and have ramped to your key point before they have. The standard method for number of lands in an EDH deck is to start ~40 lands and cut 1 land for every 3 other sources of mana. You have ~10 pieces of accelleration, so I'd estimate ~37 lands, especially since you're trying to get up to 8 mana to cast your commander. 34 lands is definitely too low when your average CMC is ~4!

Further, 15 of your lands enter tapped. I said this to one of your friends, but as much as you want to ensure having the right coloured mana available at the right time you should be careful of adding too many tap-lands. Think of it this way - if all of your lands were tap-lands, then every turn you'd have one less mana than everyone else and would be 1 turn behind with every spell. The stats show that thep layer who goes first is most likely to win since they get to certain amounts of mana before the others - playing all tap-lands is like willingly cutting off a foot. 15/34 lands isn't quite the same, but it's like cutting off a couple of toes; how would you feel finally drawing a land on T10 when you've been waiting to play Gishath, only for that to be a tap-land and for someone else to win on T11 before you get a chance to untap? Yeah - don't run too many tap-lands :P

One of the great things Gishath has going for him is that his identity includes green, meaning that you have access to the best land ramp spells in the game! Well done for putting some ramp in the deck. I'd be tempted to swap out one of them for Skyshroud Claim (since it can fetch your Shock lands), and I'd also be 'tempted' to add Tempt with Discovery (always fun in multiplayer games). Also, the Ikoria Migration Path is a direct upgrade to some of the ramp spells. Either way, I'd really add some more basic lands into the deck; you barely have enough of them to ramp with, let alone play, and you could easily get blown out by an overloaded Winds of Abandon and not have any lands to actually fetch.

As for land choices themselves - as above, fewer tap-lands and more basics. You'd be surprised In most decks I'm not a huge fan of Temple of the False God, but in your deck I can see it working. I don't really like Rupture Spire either, would much prefer Path of Ancestry. You could quite easily add Spinerock Knoll in for the free hideaway spell. Oh, and Krosan Verge is a pretty good card for multicoloured decks that include white and green - it allows you to fetch the shocklands/bicycle lands to have all of your colours in one go :)

Gishath Thick-Skinned!

If we're going to make Gishath big, then we need to make sure that he doesn't just get removed straightaway. Cards like Swiftfoot Boots and Lightning Greaves are really useful here - as well as Whispersilk Cloak above - but my top pick for this category is Favor of the Mighty. It's a fairly innocuous enchantment, but it's very unlikely that anyone else will have a CMC 8+ creature when you're casting gishath, and 'protection from all colours' is a really strong ability. Another great way of protecting Gishath the turn he comes in is by casting Shielded by Faith on another creature the turn before, then moving this onto Gishath. (It doesn't protect you from targeted exile, but it would stop Gishath dieing to destructive/damaging board wipes.) A card that's a little slower but could be interesting is Shield of the Oversoul - gives indestructible, but also gives flying - which is a keyword that Gishath doesn't have naturally.

It's a little pricey (~$10?), but I highly value Asceticism as a way of protecting creatures. Not only does it stop your opponents from targeting them, it also gives you a way of getting them back if your enemies destory them with spells or in combat. Other instant options to give Gishath hexproof include Blossoming Defense and Woodcutter's Grit (which both have the benefit of buffing Gishath at the same time), or the pricier Heroic Intervention which gives hexproof and indestructible at the same time.

Gishath have many Friends!

Since Gishath basically gives you free dinosaurs, you definitely want to be putting in the biggest and best dinosaurs you can to swing for the win the turn after. However, if you're sat there with a giant board then it's quite likely that some sort of Star of Extinction will wipe out your dinosaurs before your next turn. Choosing the right dinos for your super-squad who are going to stick around is key.

Some thoughts on dinosaurs you could add:

• Apex Altisaur - repetive great creature removal. Would highly recommend!
• Quartzwood Crasher - new from Ikoria, this guy is really good in any decks that do lots of trampling. Add it!
• Titanoth Rex - big tramply dinosaur, can cycle to give trample to something else
• Rampaging Brontodon - gets big if you get to swing with it
• Verdant Sun's Avatar - a great way of stacking a huge amount of life. Great to have if you decide to cut all of your small stuff and just go late-game instead.
• Regal Behemoth - errata'd in 2018 to be a dinosaur instead of a lizard. A very good way of setting up the turn before casting Gishath to have extra mana left over.
• Sun-Crowned Hunters - it's not got quite the value I'd like, but if you're going heavy into the 'damage to my own creatures' theme then this might be a good card to add
• Snapping Sailback - as above, if you're leaning heavy into the 'damage my own creatures' theme then this could be decent to add
• Ranging Raptors - as above, great in the 'damage my own creatures' deck
• Atla Palani, Nest Tender - alternatively, if you decide to go heavy in the 'big dinos' direction, then Atla from C19 could be fun to have in the 99 as another way of getting big dinos out

Some thoughts on dinosaurs you could remove:

• Cacophodon - what's it doing in the deck, other than occasionally untapping a land?
• Draconic Disciple - I think a mana rock or ramp would be better here, the other ability is expensive enough that you have many other options to use first
• Imperial Ceratops - depending on how agressive your playgroup is, you might find that the life gain from this doesn't really help your gameplan
• Kinjalli's Sunwing - a great card if you're going aggro-heavy, but EDH games tend to go long and one round of creatures being tapped won't change much. How would you feel if this was the only dinosaur you find in one of Gishath's attack triggers?
• Kinjalli's Caller - unless you're regularly playing multiple dinosaurs per turn, this is effectively a mana-rock on a creature which is easily killed (including by some of your own creatures). It also means you have to have extra white lands in your deck to try and get it out. I'd just cut this and put some land ramp or a mana rock in instead.
• Zetalpa, Primal Dawn - if it wasn't for the keyword-soup then I'd remove Zetalpa. Most of the other elder dinosaurs are just better, but if you can reliably get Odric out then Zetalpa could work in this deck.
• Ulvenwald Tracker - whilst I like the ability to fight your dinos against others, the fact it's a 1/1 means it dies too easily to everything (including your own stuff!). I'd much prefer something like Domri, Anarch of Bolas instead, especially since it also 'pumps' your creatures and can act as a mana rock. (Okay, it can't fight multiple creatures in a turn, but it's rare that you'll be needing to do lots of fighting at once.)

Other thoughts

As I looked through your deck I noticed lots of 'do damage when enters the battlefield' synergy and combos. I really like the look of it, and it almost feels like that's your main win-con with giant dinosaurs led by Gishath as your backup. Either way, it's a fun theme and game plan, and I'd be interested in how it turns out. A few things to think about:

• Marauding Raptor and Polyraptor is infinite in a bad way. Since it's not a 'may', triggering this goes uncontrollably infinite unless someone has a way of breaking the chain, and according to MtG rules uncontrollable infinites results in a draw - which is a bit of a naff way to end the game if you've all been playing for an hour!
• You don't have much white in your early game. I'd be tempted to take out some of your white lands and most of your white 1-3 CMC cards - if you can cut your early game down to 2 colours and mostly fetch to get your white, then you can also remove your need for so many tap lands. This will make your games much more consistent and faster.
• On a related note, pay attention to the colour wheels in the corner. You currently have ~equal sources of white/red/green, even though over half of the coloured mana requirements in your deck are for green. At the moment you could quite easily end up with green spells in hand but not enough green mana to play them. Further, because green is the colour of fixing, you want more green mana so you can more easily guarantee fetching the other lands that you need when you need them later. Balance your lands for (A) when you need specific colours and (B) how much you need in total to cast the spells that are important to you (e.g. Gishath).

Lastly, some cards to consider adding:

• Furious Rise - it's an extra Colossal Majesty, and extra card draw is always good
• Helm of the Host - why have one Gishath when you could have two?!? You'd want to make sure to play and equip this when Gishath is already on the board otherwise it would be too big a threat for people to leave on the table. (Also, this combos as an insta-win with Godo, Bandit Warlord - though I don't know if that's a negative or a positive for you!)
• The Great Henge - this is especially good with Gishath since all the dinos Gishath puts into play trigger the 'add a +1/+1 and draw a card', meaning that Gishath ends up drawing you a couple of cards as well as cheating out some dinos. Extra gas is always good!
• Finale of Devastation - slightly pricey, but this could be a decent upgrade to Overwhelming Stampede down the line, allowing you to both fetch a creature and pump your board at the same time.

And some cards to perhaps remove:

• Herald's Horn - you've only got 29/100 cards which are dinosaurs. Okay, this gets your commander out one turn earlier, but so does every mana rock. Okay, this card gives you ~0.3 extra card draw each turn, but in the turns between getting this out (~T3) and when you think the game might end (~T10) this would only 'draw' you ~2.1 extra cards. I'd take a simple mana-rock over this since it gives you the flexibility to cast any of your 30 non-creature spells, which Herald's Horn wouldn't help you with at all.
• Lurking Predators is fun, but as with Herald's Horn - you won't hit things often, so this is mostly a 6-mana 'do nothing' or 6-mana 'get a ~4CMC creature'. The biggest benefit is that it deters people from swinging at you - especially with multiple creatures - but it doesn't feel like it helps your strategy in the same way.
• Gaea's Blessing - what does this do for you?
• Primal Rage - I don't think you need this in the deck. Enough of your creatures already have trample, and the rest will anyway if you had Odric out.

Final thought - this would be the ultimate flex, but if you somehow find some way to get Colossification onto Gishath during the combat step... Currently the only methods I can think of are (1) playing it on another creature then using Flicker of Fate during combat to move it to Gishath, (2) sacrificing Academy Rector during combat, (3) having it on another creature that you kill then casting Second Sunrise during combat... That's about all of the ways I can think of, let me know if you think of any more! (I guess an easier way would be to just cast it in main phase 1 and find a way to untap him. Hey ho!)

I should have gone to bed a few hours ago, but I thought I'd finish writing this before I went to bed... Little did I know how deep the rabbit hole went!

Stay safe! ^_^