Oath of Jace

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Pioneer Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Oath of Jace

Legendary Enchantment

When Oath of Jace enters the battlefield, draw three cards, then discard two cards.

At the beginning of your upkeep, scry X, where X is the number of planeswalkers you control. (Look at the top X cards of your library, then put any number of them on top or bottom of your library in any order.)

Tur on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?

1 year ago

I agree with Sheldon to some extent.

First, it's incorrect to compare Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines's abilities to Panharmonicon and Torpor Orb. It's permanents not creatures.

(Nobody should care about the first ability, Yarok, the Desecrated is the second most popular Sultai commander and has been around forever. It's just extra stuff.)

It's the second ability which is problematic. Assume you play Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines. Not only do your permanents prevent your opponents permanents from triggering, it also prevents your opponents permanents from triggering from their own permanents. This is the first card in all of Magic: The Gathering with this effect.

Here are just some examples, I got from scrolling through the most popular commander Atraxa, Praetors' Voice on EDHREC (I do not own an Atraxa deck.) which would be effected by Elesh Norn:

Just thinking about all kinds of interactions which are possible gives me a headache.

Honestly, the Painter's Servant interactions are much easier to understand and that was a card which was banned for the interactions being too much.

If Elesh Norn, Mother of Machines had the errata to "Permanents you control entering the battlefield don't cause abilities of permanents your opponents control to trigger" it would be much more manageable.

utred on modern resurgent belief

2 years ago

zapyourtumor hey, thanks for testing it out and commenting! Oath of Jace is a great suggestion. What cards to cut though? Idyllic tutor could be replaced with this effect as it will also help get omniscience. Nahiri's wrath is another that the value is iffy to me. It is the only way I have currently to deal with big creatures and it helps discard omniscience.

Also you are right about the enter the Enter the Infinite problem; oath of jace would also make this more consistent. I added some cards to the maybe board. Thoughts?

zapyourtumor on modern resurgent belief

2 years ago

With some testing I found that discarding omniscience is kind of inconsistent. Idyllic Tutor also felt bad since even if you tutor up omniscience you need to have a discard outlet for it too. If you run Idyllic I'd probably go up to 4, and then include some additional 1 of enchantments like one thats a discard outlet and one that lets you tutor up a sorcery (i.e. when you have omniscience on the field and idyllic in hand and you want enter the infinite).

Ok back from scryfall hunting. Finding a good discard outlet thats 3+ cmc was hard, but I think Oath of Jace is the best one.

There is no enchantment that lets us tutor up enter the infinite if we have idyllic tutor in hand and omniscience on the field. The best alternative would be to tutor up a fat enchantment to cost for free (or you can use Oath of Jace to dig for Enter the Infinite). The best one I could find are Cast Through Time which generates a ton of value and generally would let you dig for an Enter within a turn. Maybe Kiora Bests the Sea God. Another funny option is Fall of the Thran since we literally don't care about lands at all with Omniscience but thats probably too cute.

rdean14 on Card creation challenge

2 years ago

In my Aminatou Superfriends deck, I made a point to have all the Oaths. and are the only color combination missing it among the colors.

Oath of Dakkon

Legendary Enchantment

When Oath of Dakkon enters the battlefield, return target permanent to its owner's hand and destroy up to one target planeswalker.

At the beginning of your end step, you may exile X target permanents where X is the number of planeswalkers you control.

"I will keep watch for Dihada."


I'd like to see another planeswalker-enchantment. It can be another Oath or anything else!

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