Potential from Dominaria?

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Posted on March 12, 2018, 11:11 a.m. by WizardOfTheNorthernCoast

Hey guys,

SPOILER ALERT! Stop reading if you don't want to know about the next set already.

So I don't know if you're aware but Dominaria has leaked big time. We have access to a good amount of cards from the set already and I wanted to have your opinion about the cards you think have the most potential for the format?

Here's the list. To me, Karn could have some serious impact costing only with 5 loyalty and some serious card advantage, he could really fit into ANY KIND of non-aggro deck.

I really love to see Jaya as a PW too and she's a strong one.

I'm interested to see what the Wizard tribal Counterspell and Lightning Bolt with Delver of Secrets  Flip and Snapcaster Mage :) Izzet time for Wizards in Modern? That'd sound fun!

rothgar13 says... #2

Merfolk Trickster is an automatic inclusion in the deck. Long overdue.

March 12, 2018 11:28 a.m.

Im seriously excited U wizard tribal!!

March 12, 2018 11:29 a.m.

lukas96 says... #4

Damping matrix seems to be a very good sideboard card.

I dont see karn in any deck to be honest. Hes just not better than any of thw options midrange decks already have.

Wizards tribal will defenitely not be as viable as merfolk humans or goblins but it gets better of course. Tribal decks just limit themselves to much and you need very good reasons to do this

March 12, 2018 11:33 a.m.

abby315 says... #5

rothgar13: You think Trickster is good in modern merfolk? I just started playing the deck (G/U version) and I am on the fence about it. Seems like a great sideboard card against creature combo decks like Counters Company, but I don't know what other abilities we really need to turn off on crucial turns.

I can see it being useful against E-Tron or other big mana decks perhaps -- maybe Ponza -- to push through damage or to bounce creatures with Harbinger of the Tides. But the 12-lord build I run Ill Gills doesn't have as much room for interaction in order to have t4 lethal as consistently as possible. I'm interested in which matchups you really want it for!

I'm pretty excited for Damping Sphere for legacy. :)

March 12, 2018 11:59 a.m.

rothgar13 says... #6

It's an incredible card. It helps push damage by tapping down blockers (relevant against Tarmogoyfs, Shadows, and other beefsticks), deal with creatures you otherwise can't touch (for example, you can flash it in after your opponent attacks with a flier to ground it), and is an Ashcoat Bear as a worst-case scenario. It's a windmill-slam 4-of.

Aside: You really shouldn't be running in this meta. I jammed it and enjoyed it for a time, but this is mono-'s time to shine. Master of Waves is absurd right now.

March 12, 2018 12:25 p.m.

dan8080 says... #7

Damping sphere has me stoked just because I hate Tron decks but don't like playing blood moon or land destruction to deal so it gives me my silver bullet to okay non jund grind games. I wanna see a deck with that strictly better relentless rats and a deck with umezawa in the set that makes creatures with power or toughness of 1 or less unblockable but idk how effective they'll be.

March 12, 2018 12:27 p.m.

shadow63 says... #8

The new karn looks really good in control decks and maybe combo. Other then the karn and some edh goodies the sets meh. Even the elder demon isn't that impressive

March 12, 2018 12:59 p.m.

rothgar13: Merfolk trickster seems fine, but this is a deck that's VERY crowded at the two-drop slot. What are you cutting for your "windmill-slam 4-of" trickster? How does that increase your efficiency? You either remove one the two-drop lords, or further crowd the 2-drop slot by removing the already very few one-drops.

It's a sideboard card, sure, but Harbinger of the Tides gets the same effect with the added tempo play of actually bouncing a thing.

March 12, 2018 8:39 p.m.

lukas96 says... #14

chaoswalker and that lists shows what?

March 12, 2018 9:13 p.m.

lukas96 says... #15

chaoswalker and that lists shows what?

March 12, 2018 9:22 p.m.

rothgar13 says... #16

It's not a sideboard card, PhotogenicParasympathetic. It takes the staple place formerly reserved for Harbinger, and then Harbinger can fight it out for the flex spots with Kopala, Kira, Spell Pierce, etc. My first test list is going to be maxing out on creatures by jamming playsets of Harbinger and Trickster, which I expect to significantly improve any creature-based matchups.

March 12, 2018 10:48 p.m.

Eh. I just disagree with your assumption that it's better than Harbinger. As far as pushing through your damage, which is merfolk's primary goal, Harbinger does it better, by not only removing the blocker but also forcing your opponent to have to spend resources to redeploy it. Bounced is just much better for the deck than tapped.

The advantages Trickster has over Harbinger are twofold - it always has flash (which is only really relevant on the defense) and it can remove abilities (again, best in defensive applications). I think it's definitely worth sideboarding, particularly against decks that run creatures with relevant abilities (knight of the relequary decks, for example), but isn't just strictly better than Harbinger like you're assuming.

I'm also not sure you've got room to run 4-of each. I mean, you've got 4 Lords of Atlantis, 4 Master of the Pearl Trident, and 4 Phantasmal Image as your lords, 12 slots down. Cursecatcher and Silvergill adept are another 8, and Harbinger brings you to a total 24 creatures slots. You're going to go a full 28 with Trickster, without even looking at Kira, Kopala, Master of Waves, Merrow Reejerey? And what non-creatures do you cut? Aether Vial is too good, Spreading Seas will always be more efficient at getting you through blockers.

I short, I think you've got Harbinger and Trickster backwards as to which deserves staple status, and which should be flex/sideboard.

March 13, 2018 6:58 a.m.

x12721 says... #18

Mono red in standard just got a million times worse. T1 Soul-Scar Mage into the new Lightning Bolt and a Bomat Courier? Sheesh.

March 13, 2018 10:09 a.m.

rothgar13 says... #19

Creatures with ETB effects, vigilance, and simply hanging back to block are things Harbinger doesn't deal with very well. Trickster, on the other hand, can deal with pretty much any creature that's in the way of your attackers very efficiently, to say nothing of its defensive applications. If you can't see how tapping a creature down AND removing its abilities is better than a bounce effect that requires the target be tapped (not even going to touch on how the flash doesn't cost extra, but that's obviously a huge deal), I don't know what else to tell you. It really should be obvious.

As for incorporation, it's pretty easy to be honest. You take a playset of all of the Merfolk you want (Cursecatcher, Harbinger of the Tides, Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Master of Waves, Merfolk Trickster, Merrow Reejerey, Silvergill Adept), add Aether Vial and Spreading Seas, and that's the deck. Just add lands.

March 13, 2018 12:20 p.m.

lukas96 says... #20

Trickser also deosnt deal with etbs and vigilence very well and you have reejery to tap blockers and spreading seas + lord to give your creatures envasion. i honestly dont see tricksers upside to harbinger.

im not a merfolk player but i dont think removing a blocker is a big thing for this deck as it usually has more creatures than the opponent and 8 lords that give pretty solid evasion

March 13, 2018 2:48 p.m.

Ruyen says... #21

Torgaar, Famine Incarnate would make a real nasty soulshift/token mono black commander. I mean just slicing someone's life in half for like 6-2 mana is wicked. Not so good for world games but brutal in 1v1.

March 13, 2018 8:17 p.m.

xyr0s says... #24

Ghitu Lavamancer will be played by, at least, budget burn decks, and perhaps non-budget versions too.

March 17, 2018 11:58 a.m.

lukas96 says... #25

I dont see it in nonbudget versions. Its too conditional and worse than any other spell in burn.

March 17, 2018 4:54 p.m.

happyman379 says... #26

Steel Leaf Champion goes straight into mono green stompy. No more snapcasters and lingering souls to chump it

March 22, 2018 12:19 p.m.

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