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Creature — Human Wizard
As Meddling Mage enters the battlefield, name a nonland card.
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Meddling Mage Discussion
3 days ago
lukas96 Firstly, thanks for the response! For the lands I feel 19 Mountains is the least you could run before hurting yourself, besides they go red after Blood Moon drops. Abrade I want 2 of going forward. Magma Jet I agree is preference and I want to play around with both of these options going forward. I do agree Artisan is worst Chandra most of the time, her ability is still strong and threats for big damage if not answered. Plus with Meddling Mage being popular having a alternate turn 4 Chandra might save us in a pinch. Lastly, SSG is a weird card that I want in the main but seeing some recent lists with it on the side makes me think its best including against unfair decks to apply an early threat faster to match their speed. Otherwise Ricochet saved me one game by swerving a Dovin's Veto which might be relevant, dragon-claw against burn which I know is less frequent, but with a LGS might be more common seeing these cheaper decks about so hence the inclusion.
5 days ago
Hi everyone, ive always wanted to build the Humans deck but, as you know, its very expensive so i came out with differents variations of this deck but they never convinced me. Finally i came out with this variation that is, i think better tha the others, or at least more interesting. This is part of it:
The thing is that i dont know if its good enough to start. Im still searching for a substitude for Phantasmal Image , cuz here were i live its at least 15 euros each one. I dont know if i should go with only two or three Aether Vial , cuz its expensive too. Lands are another problem, Cavern of souls its really really expensive so i need a substitude. i guess ill go with Ancient Ziggurat and Unclaimed Territory but i dont know which other lands should i take.
3 weeks ago
I would highly recommend Ghostly Flicker , Archaeomancer , Soulherder , Meddling Mage , and Reflector Mage . Also, I think Venser, the Sojourner (maybe with Ghostly Flicker as the sig spell) is a better oathbreaker for a blink theme.
1 month ago
Okay lets break down the justifications you gave, because I still think they merit changing.
Choosing not to run Mishra's Workshop in a deck that combos and staxs with artifacts is just silly. The problem is far more with your deck building choices of running 20 artifacts in an artifact commander oriented deck than the card itself. I shouldn't have to explain the value of 3 extra mana going towards your paradox engine or a stax piece like trinisphere, but apparently I do. Getting to winning pieces faster is better, run it. You also have the luxury of a mulligan on hands when its dead, similar to how Gaea's Cradle is a great card but dead in some hands.
Seat of the Synod combos with Mox Opal Transmute Artifact Inventors' Fair Reshape Unwinding Clock and is pullable for X=0 from Tezzeret the Seeker or Whir of Invention , meaning you can ramp in mono blue. Also recoverable from GY with Academy Ruins . Meanwhile, it nonbos with Back to Basics . Do some cost/benefit analysis and come back to me on that one.
Expedition Map is tutor density, which is your single biggest problem. If you are in a creature heavy meta, it functions as Tabernacle #2, why would you not run it? The value engine with Academy Ruins is icing on the cake. It's also part of a tutor chain using Inventors' Fair which leads to winning lines. Calling it cute without realizing it gives you more consistency with another winning line that also grinds value is just ignorant. Similar to Seat of the Synod , look at your own cards before rejecting inclusions.
Legacy's Allure is 100% a bad card. Assuming you somehow land that on turn 1, it still isn't anywhere close to live until turn 3. Unless the opposing creature is already on the board turn 1, your opponent will remove it before they play whatever creature they need that you would steal anyways, and if the creature is on the board turn 1 you should remove it before turn 3 anyways. Many stax creatures are symmetrical, so stealing one does nothing because those decks are designed to work around the effects. Also Gitrog is a 6/6 so assuming turn 1 Allure it still won't be live until turn 7, at which point Gitrog has already won. You can make the argument for proliferate, but you aren't running any. Aether Spellbomb is faster, combos with your commander, can turn itself into a cantrip if there aren't good creature targets, synergizes with that giant list of cards I talked about with Seat of the Synod, and is less color intensive. If you really need another theft effect, Vedalken Shackles is significantly better and combos all the same ways.
Howling Mine grinds values in longer games. Even if you give your opponent 1 or 2 cards, if you end up drawing 6 or 7 cards from it you are getting a better advantage. It works better in a stax build over a combo build, but then that leads to my next point. If you're really scared run Blinkmoth Well
You should build this as a stax deck. Compare this to an Arcum Dagson deck. The reason that is able to be a fast combo deck is because it has a tutor in the command zone that leads to winning lines. Meanwhile, Urza generates mana and expensive card advantage from the command zone, which benefits you when games go longer. Why would anyone build this deck with these pieces when Arcum does the same thing but better? They are the same CMC, but Dagson is less color intensive so its easier to ramp into with mono blue.
Even if you are trying to run this as fast combo, you aren't making good choices. Why are you running Fact or Fiction and not Frantic Search ? Why is your counterspell density so high when you should be tutoring or drawing to win? 13 counterspells with the meme new Narset spell for 14? Why? The card advantage your deck generates isn't high enough to sustain a package that big. If you're trying to fast combo why are you focusing on playing defensive? You don't need that many counterspells to protect your own combo.
Why are you running Power Artifact but not Basalt Monolith ? Otherwise power artifact is literally a dead draw if Grim Monolith is gone or unavailable. It opens up more options to get infinite and win with Urza
Cut Future Sight . Focus on assembling infinite mana to use Urza as an outlet. Not a single cEDH list runs it for a reason, expensive and slow. If you have infinite mana to plow through your deck with Future Sight you can just do the same with Urza. Wasted slot.
Running Isochron Scepter Dramatic Reversal and Copy Artifact but you aren't running Winds of Rebuke . It has high value outside combo, and high value inside combo. Currently you only have one method of drawing deck outside Urza (Paradox + Voltaic Key + Sensei's Top), which means you are very liable to be hit with Meddling Mage or Pithing Needle or Phyrexian Revoker or Cursed Totem , all of which see play and make your Jace and Labman into dead draws. You should also consider Blue Sun's Zenith for similar reasons, gives an outlet for infinite mana if Urza is turned off or unavailable.
dingusdingo on Flex
1 month ago
Inkmoth I have spent some time on this list and I think the author is a lost cause.
He also still isn't running a snow-covered land base for Mouth of Ronom removal in mono G, despite it costing him literally nothing to slot.
Even from a control standpoint, countering the first draw spell this deck puts down is going to massively impair it. Are you keeping hands with two draw spells? How does your ramp look in those hands? How about your ability to deal with a problematic board? What does your deck due about a Meddling Mage naming Azusa? Concede? Why are you running only a single creature based piece of board removal at 9 CMC despite running a whole suite of creature tutors? That makes no sense.
The high CMC average means tax and tap effects also delay the game plan basically forever. Trinisphere Sphere of Resistance etc. running ramp pieces at 3 CMC or greater is inviting yourself to get staxed out.
Discard effects break your hand due to low recursion and no value in the command zone. Turn 2 Dark Ritual into Entomb into Reanimate on a Mindslicer plus any 1 CMC sac effect is game over, especially if your opponent put down a turn 1 value engine. Chains of Mephistopheles Oppression Bottomless Pit all strip your hand and this deck runs absolutely nothing to combat it.
Any way you try to slice it, it isn't fast enough to compete against reliable monster combo decks like Gitrog or Godo or pretty much any Doomsday list. It doesn't run enough removal to handle stax or discard. It has no control or hate elements to beat out against other midrange decks. Pub stomping the kiddies table doesn't make this a competitive deck. What decks are you actually playing against? Saying you win against cEDH doesn't mean anything to anyone. What decks? How are only turn 1-2 decks beating you when your combo window doesn't happen until turns 4-6 while you literally aren't interacting with the board in the slightest?
Even if you removed all the massive CMC dead draws and fully optimized this list with removal and recursion and toolbox answers, there's still no way it can compete against a real competitive list due to lack of value in the command zone and the color identity. I'm not trying to say this is a bad list at all, certainly the best Azusa list I've seen, but it isn't a competitive EDH deck.
Also, yes you do need to defend your deck when you make that claim. People are pointing out specific cards and strategies that shut down your deck, and these cards and strategies not only see play but are rather common in optimized lists.
1 month ago
Yes Keranos, God of Storms comes in against control matchups as well as most midrange type decks. The reason for this is that so-many decks are running Surgical Extraction (though the meta is shifting a little bit) so a plan B option in the sideboard felt like a necessary development (not being prepared for the multitude of Thoughtseize decks can be bad especially if you expect them to be out in force). Of the possible plan B's (most of which are listed in the primer above) Keranos, God of Storms is my personal favorite hence why he is included; this does not mean that he is the best option, that would probably be either Godhead of Awe or Dragonlord Dromoka right now looking at recent meta data, Crovax, Ascendant Hero may also have an outside chance if you are looking to play a plan B in the side. Honestly I'm thinking of making that slot a Boseiju, Who Shelters All as Dovin's Veto is a bit scary but I don't have enough data to gage how often I need to worry about that card. Otherwise the slot can be used for an extra Fatal Push / Path to Exile or as a flex spot.
As for Slaughter Pact I have always been a fan of it simply for its flexibility, it more reliably can answer certain problem cards such as Eidolon of Rhetoric than Fatal Push or it can buy a turn against decks like Amulet if things aren't going well. It also provides for some interesting scenarios with the math to win being free, most notably in the Humans matchup allowing us to beat a Thalia, Guardian of Thraben with 7 available mana, or remove something like Meddling Mage naming a combo piece for free and win at instant speed on time. Before putting in the plan B with Keranos, God of Storms I was actually on 2 Fatal Push and 1 Slaughter Pact and was happy with the results for a long time, when it came down to cutting one of those, I prioritized the Humans matchup where Slaughter Pact can be the difference, and at the same time allowing myself to have a removal spell for a quick Gurmag Angler or larger threat that push can't deal with as efficiently.
1 month ago
So if it’s the creature package that’s giving you grief out of Humans, you could try playing tax cards of your own, such as Ghostly Prison or Thalia, Heretic Cathar . That might be too far from what you’re trying to do; I don’t know. Also, Tocatli Honor Guard does shut off Champion of the Parish and friends because those abilities are triggered by creatures entering the battlefield. It doesn’t hit Mantis Rider or Meddling Mage but that’s what your removal and tax effects are there for.
2 months ago
I wouldn't cut any spot removal. Maybe one Push at most. I'd also run additional Supreme Verdict over Wrath of God . The concession to Humans doesn't seem to make sense since you'll run into GDS more often and Verdict is better against them. You could run Wrath of God in the sideboard against Humans but I don't think its necessary, especially in Esper where Meddling Mage has to name both Push and Path.
Meddling Mage occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.06%