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Enchantment — Aura
Flash (You may play this spell any time you could play an instant.)
Enchanted creature has "Discard a card: This creature gets +1/+1 until end of turn."
Oblivion Crown Discussion
2 weeks ago
Hello, glad to hear you like it! The Rath's Edge loops still are written as part of a more classic line, where you stack a ton of draw triggers first, then remove Gitrog yourself so those "in-between triggers" don't occur.
The newer lines that you use to create infinite green mana with Crop Rotation also can be applied to this situation from what I can gather, I just never updated those specific lines with Edge due to us being much more resilient to cheeky discard outlet removal when you have both infinite green and black, as well as complete access to your whole deck with cards like Autumn's Veil , Oblivion Crown and repeatable recursion with Noxious Revival to back up any corner cases.
The primer lacks the disclaimer that you need to sacrifice Gitrog anyhow, so thanks for pointing it out! I'll fix that ASAP.
2 months ago
2 months ago
For those who are not familiar with this combo it goes something like this: (Otherwise skip to the second paragraph if you know how this works.)
All you need is The Gitrog Monster and a card like Noose Constrictor on the battlefield with the card Dakmor Salvage in hand. (Note: it doesn't need to be Noose Constrictor as Lotleth Troll , Olivia's Dragoon , Oblivion Crown , or any other free discard outlet will work for this.) By discarding Dakmor Salvage to the Noose Constrictor , The Gitrog Monster will trigger allowing you to draw a card for having a land enter your graveyard, however; you can then replace that draw trigger with the same Dakmor Salvage you discarded to dredge it back into your hand. Essentially through continuous dredges you'll put more lands into your graveyard from your library allowing you to draw extra cards into your hand. In your deck you'll also have either an Emrakul, the Aeons Torn , Kozilek, Butcher of Truth , Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , or Gaea's Blessing to eventually mill into your graveyard. This will allow you to shuffle your graveyard into your deck an infinitely repeatable number of times until you can draw all the cards in your deck for free due to stacking draw triggers. At this point you can probably utilize any win condition of your choice such as exiling multiple Simian Spirit Guide 's to cast Conflagrate or Lightning Storm for lethal.
While 5 mana is a big asking price for the fast Modern environment, Ad Nauseam decks still see some degree of play, whereas this strategy I don't believe sees any. The Gitrog Monster is also very resistant against a lot of common Modern removal such as Lightning Bolt , Lightning Helix , Abrupt Decay , Inquisition of Kozilek , Fatal Push , Dismember , Lightning Axe , Thing in the Ice Flip, and unlike Ad Nauseam decks it also survives against Duress , Collective Brutality , Dispel , Negate , and Spell Pierce . Furthermore if you try to remove the discard outlet or exile their graveyard while the first draw/dredge trigger is on the stack, the Gitrog Monster player may still have the option to discard another land or activate a different draw effect ( Street Wraith , Ghost Quarter ) in response to the removal spell to put another draw/dredge trigger on the stack on top of the removal spell, effectively allowing the Gitrog player to draw out their deck with the removal still on the stack. Lastly, there a lot of tutor/search effects that can make assembling this combo more consistent such as Adventurous Impulse , Oath of Nissa , Grisly Salvage , Sylvan Scrying , Summoner's Pact , Time of Need , Traverse the Ulvenwald , and even Goryo's Vengeance can make pulling off this combo much faster as well as consistently.
3 months ago
Thanks for the nice words and feedback! I'm honestly not sure what's up with Circular Logic . I tried changing the printing but it still shows as an illegal card despite it definitely being pauper legal.
I was just talking today with some people who suggested putting in some cycle lands, I wasn't sure if it mattered whether they are Barren Moor or Lonely Sandbar . I will definitely do that though. Makes them way more valuable in late game.
I had thought about Putrid Imp and Aquamoeba but both are pretty vulnerable to ping (amoeba opens up when I activate its ability) and I liked the relatively more hearty Dragoon with the evasion it gives. I settled on Oblivion Crown as the alternate/supplementary engine since it can allow Cunning Survivor and Grisly Survivor to become even more threatening while being a little more difficult to remove (at least that's my inexperienced thought).
I really like the idea of Gorgers for applying pressure but I'm just not sure what to take out for them. Maybe I don't need Duress and Divest in the sideboard, so I can move some removal (of which I have a lot) and put the Gorgers in.
I'm also wondering if I should have some way to draw. Something like the Careful Study I have in the maybe board. It's why I was also considering Looter il-Kor . I've also kicked around the idea of a Thorn of the Black Rose for the draw that comes with Monarch.
Sorry for the lengthy reply and thanks again!
4 months ago
mal099, the problem with Rite of Consumption effects is that the creature isn't dealing damage so Tainted Strike won't work. With one Horror of the Broken Lands , you would need to discard 8 cards to make it a one-shot. On the other hand, I really like Oblivion Crown as it seems to slide in perfectly.
4 months ago
I’d rather play more versatile removal such as Go for the Throat instead of Dark Betrayal . You should definitely play Leyline of the Void as it doesn’t affect your yard and cancels draw triggers for gitrog. You could also play Spirit of the Labyrinth to slow gitrog down but note that they can win through this effect if they haven’t drawn a card for the turn they intend to go off on. The problem with hate creatures that affect gitrog is that they typically have 1 toughness which if they run Darkblast can be pretty lights out.
xaarvaxus: while cursed totem doesn’t touch any of gitrogs inherent abilities it does shut off Putrid Imp , Oblivion Crown , and all of its discard outlets besides Chains of Mephistopheles and the handsize outlet
Oblivion Crown occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.0%