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When Black Cat dies, target opponent discards a card at random.
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Black Cat Discussion
3 weeks ago
Also Also, while it's strategically useful, you could also remove a bunch of the cards that do discard effects, like Black Cat, Thoughtpicker Witch, and Mesmeric Fiend. While this doesn't speed up the deck, it removes some of the biggest hate-generators. People can get mad at you for screwing them over, but can they really get made at you for not dying?
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
You're right, I definitely do not know much about 8-rack. I still don't understand the point of 24 lands, yeah you can use them as discard fodder, but you could also just add in more spells and do the same with any of those you want. I understand the Raven's Crime combo, and why Grafdigger isn't great, I didn't realize that before. Black Cat, Liliana, Heretical Healer and any spell that forces you to also sac a creature might work, but I think you're right. I'm interested in building and playing my own 8-rack now to test possibilities.
1 month ago
Honestly, that kind of strategy is pretty tame in our play group. In that scenario, a discard strategy puts a huge target on my back, so I have to win quickly or I'll die.
Thank you for the suggestions! I agree that one-offs like Black Cat just don't do enough, unless I could clone/recur it a thousand times. I don't know if it's possible to clone something in B/R, but now you've got me thinking about it. Blade of Selves perhaps? I'm not sure what else off the top of my head.'
1 month ago
Mass discard is a "mean" strategy, and I think you may have built this list afraid to be the villain. It looks like you tried to hybrid an aggressive deck and a cruel control deck, and those don't really work together. First thing I would do is slow down the deck, and put in more longevity.
A lot of your discard is low-impact. Black Cat, for example, only makes one opponent discard once. Why not play, for example, Hypnotic Specter, which can hit multiple times. In addition, I would add things that benefit off of discard, like Liliana's Caress, Sangromancer, Geth's Grimoire, and Waste Not. Symmetrical effects are a little harder to build around, but things like Sire Of Insanity, Oppression, and Bottomless Pit can really get your job done faster. Notion Thief can prevent your opponents from refilling their hand, and Torment of Hailfire is a good finisher from HOU.
In addition, Tymaret already wants you to have tokens, so I would beef up that sub-theme, adding things like Ophiomancer and Endrek Sahr, Master Breeder. Tokens would keep you alive longer, and would allow you to play things like Sadistic Hypnotist and Mind Slash. If you have fodder lying around a lot, Pox and Death Cloud hurt you a lot less than your opponents.
A cruel control theme is not an easy way to make friends at the table, but playing a lot of spite cards can make people reluctant to attack you. Mind Twisting for 7 or having Attrition on the board will stick with people (and, if your budget is bigger, No Mercy).
1 month ago
I've always wanted to build a discard deck in EDH: I created a fun and functional discard deck in Legacy, and I've always wanted to repeat that in my favorite format, EDH.
The problem is that EDH is a singleton format, and because I can't have four Persecutes in my deck, Liliana's Specter seems like a better choice because it is consistently easier to recur than Persecute, so I naturally gravitated toward building a discard deck with a graveyard sub-theme, but I can't seem to recur Black Cat often enough to abuse it, so I'm almost ready to throw in the towel, since the alterations to this budget deck are starting to make it more expensive than I would prefer, and I'm beginning to become a bit disillusioned with it. lol
Anyhow, I don't expect you to expend all your time and energy in correcting every single issue with my deck: I would simply appreciate any amount of advice, no matter how minimal it may be. I've put a lot of time into researching this deck, and I don't seem to be getting much traction, so it seemed like it would be a good idea to ask someone who has more experience with recursion than me.
Four main reasons I want to use this commander:
His cmc cost is very low.
He can recur himself from the graveyard.
He's a sac outlet, and because of his ability to self-recur, he's the only sac outlet I really need.
How this deck is supposed to work:
I play a lot of low cmc creature spells that cause my opponents to discard when my creatures enter the battlefield or are sacrificed, and I repeat this process over and over again until they have nothing left to answer with.
In the process of saccing all these creatures, I gradually wear down my opponents' life totals.
The problems are as follows:
This deck is intended to be a fast aggro deck because I don't have enough defensive measures to keep myself alive if the game is prolonged. Forcing my opponents to discard is supposed to protect me, whilst my opponents gradually die. I also have creature/artifact removal to assist with player suppression, and honestly, it feels more effective than my subpar discard engine.
Even though I have ten recursion cards and ten card draw/tutor cards, my hand is never as full as it should be.
Even with a combined total of 15 mana rocks and land tutors, Tymaret, the Murder King's mana-activated abilities are still cost prohibitive and just don't do enough. There has to be a way to enhance what he does and/or get around the activation costs.
Considering that my overall cmc cost is actually pretty low and the fact that I have decent ramp for my colors, it's still a huge mana investment to play creatures, sac them and recur them. There has to be a way to cheat them into play, get around Tymaret's recursion costs, and/or cheat the recursion costs.
My discard engine is so abysmal that the only thing I can rely on is hoping that no one kills me before I play Sorin Markov and sac five creatures, and that's obviously a terrible strategy. My goal is to suppress my opponents by making them discard whilst gradually wearing down their life totals, but it just doesn't work that way in practice.
Ultimately, this deck needs to be faster and more efficient when it comes to discarding and dealing damage.
Here's the link to my deck: Tymaret, the Discard King
1 month ago
I have a few other cards that I carry with my Chandras:
- Eager Construct - best Magic card ever made, Scrying beats Flying
- Enlarge - the first piece of art I fell in love with
- Black Cat - the second piece of art I liked
- Runeclaw Bear - the first bear card I ever owned
- Totally Lost - I found this among some junk singles and fell in love with Fblthp
- Switcheroo - I love the entire flavour of this card
- A Buffy Jenny Callendar card, coz she was cool
- A custom Diabolic Tutor card I made with me dressed as Chandra and the LGS owner whispering in my ear (he has long, black hair)
- Storm Crow - you kind of have to
I think I should go back to my project of collecting every copy of Lava Axe that has ever been printed.
I need to complete my Minotaur collection, too. I have all the Creatures, but I need stuff like Didgeridoo.
1 month ago
Well I can't say for everyone else, I can at least tell you why I personally stopped playing it- Eldrazi. Little Kid was a decent deck during Splinter Twin/Jund days since it had MD outs to the combo (path, Pridemage), and a good matchup vs discard and Lily from BGx decks. Then came the twin ban and Eldrazi winter, which showed us that turn 2 4/4 Thoughtseizes and turn 3 5/5 trample-hasty Black Cats (vs removal) were better than what little kid was doing. Today, if people want a 4/5 creature they either pay 1 mana for it on turn 2 (tasigur), or play bigger beaters than what little kid brings to the table (Shadow, Angler, Smasher). With Fatal Push so easily turned on in modern, there just isn't enough justification to run little kid over the more efficient threats that other decks are running. However, I will say that little kid runs more threats overall, so if opposing decks don't have all the removal you could still get there, but it doesn't seem to work out so much. Plus Tron decks are still a horrible matchup (they were horrible a few years back too), and eldrazi tron just seems better than ever against a deck that relies on both dorks that get pinged by Walking Ballista and creatures that aren't normally bigger than the 5/5 eldrazi. Blood Moon decks are still everywhere as well, making life tough for abzan in general.
I personally changed the deck into an Abzan Company list during Eldrazi Winter since it boasted a decent matchup against the menace, and maybe someday I'll change it to the Counters Company if I ever get around to buying Devoted Druids, but for now it's just one of the decks I lend to people who want to change things up on Modern night.