[Community Discussion]: Modern Chat
Modern forum
Posted on April 25, 2015, 8:42 p.m. by Epochalyptik
This thread is dedicated entirely to Modern. Feel free to post your thoughts on the meta, ideas for your next decklist, and just chat generally about the format!
Of course, you can always start a new thread if you're interested in discussing one particular aspect of the format; this thread should be used for the quick thoughts and informal questions about the format.
This discussion will be ongoing; you are free to post here as long as you're on topic.
This is NOT a deck help thread. Please do not spam deck help requests.
bijschjdbcd says... #3
I believe slovakattack has a sweet UB Artifacts build.
April 27, 2015 9:43 p.m.
Proliferate artifacts is my favorite 
way to play modern but I don't have the experience to build a modern competitive one. As you can see my old, used to be standard deck, Tezzeret's Contagion (Scars of Mirrodin Block) is to slow for modern.
April 28, 2015 12:40 a.m.
Faeries is really sweet though you should try that out. With Bitterblossom able to consistently pump out blockers/threats even if you have to side into heavy counter magic it can feel like you only sided out 3 threats when you infact sided out 5-6. That's the magic of Bitterblossom.
April 28, 2015 12:42 a.m.
Final_Origins says... #6
Can someone please evaluate my deck? Mogis, the God of Table Flipping
I really need help please.
April 28, 2015 12:52 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #7
Bitterblossom has soooo many haters but I love the card. :) it's what The Rack wishes it was.
April 28, 2015 1:11 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #8
FAMOUSWATERMELON my compliments on the user name upgrade!
April 28, 2015 1:12 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #9
Bitterblossom is excellent in Junk Death's Shadow. Too bad that deck dies to Junk midrange-control. Too much removal in that, not even Orzhov Charm and Faith's Shield can fix that.
April 28, 2015 1:14 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #10
Golgari Charm kicks ass. You don't even have to have a plan for it and it'll come in handy.
April 28, 2015 1:18 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #11
Femme_Fatale every deck dies to something, that's one aspect that makes magic fun.
April 28, 2015 1:20 a.m.
aeonstoremyliver says... #12
I'd like to see more Faeries. Looks like an expensive deck though, which may be why I haven't seen many.
How good is Tezz Control?
April 28, 2015 1:22 a.m.
Which Tezzeret did ya mean then? I've seen a pretty decent mono tezeret voltron deck using Mindslaver at my local shop before. I've never seen anyone attempt Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas though.
April 28, 2015 1:33 a.m.
Hjaltrohir says... #14
kengiczar Tezzeret Control is like a fringe UB Artifact control, I think they run the normal Control suite (Damnation, Mana Leak etc.) As well as artifact control elements (like Torpor Orb and Relic of Progenitus) and ramp (Talisman of Dominance, Dimir Signet etc.) to finish with Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas or Wurmcoil Engine/Blightsteel Colossus.
aeonstoremyliver I think it is just fine, nothing to flashy or great but can do well at FNM.
April 28, 2015 2 a.m.
Do you think replacing just a few of the lands with Inkmoth Nexus would hurt the deck to much?
I like the idea of having those main and then siding in Pithing Needle to slow fetches and Contagion Clasp if they like to play turn 1 drops, things like Soulmender for life gain or Birds of Paradise / Noble Hierarch for ramp.
April 28, 2015 2:08 a.m.
@ bijschjdbcd no one was playing Telling Time in Twin before, so why would you run Anticipate?
April 28, 2015 2:15 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #18
No deck ever runs Soulmender kengiczar. Tezzeret, Agent of Bolas is also used in various affinity builds on occasion.
April 28, 2015 2:18 a.m.
My bad I was thinking of the Soul Sister's deck but Soulmender was he only creature I could think of that sounded close.
April 28, 2015 2:20 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #20
Soul Warden and Soul's Attendant are the cards for soul sisters.
The only really acceptable lifegain cards in modern are Feed the Clan, Kor Firewalker and Auriok Champion. Other cards that have relevant lifegain but not explicitly used for it are Siege Rhino, Kitchen Finks, Scavenging Ooze, Sword of Light and Shadow (do the swords of X and Y ever see play anymore?), Lightning Helix, Wurmcoil Engine ... there was another one but I can't remember what it was called.
April 28, 2015 2:28 a.m.
APPLE01DOJ says... #21
I like the idea of control... Must be an odd deck to build a SB for though...
April 28, 2015 2:33 a.m.
Femme_Fatale says... #22
Well, you still got Spellskite, Damnation, Hurkyl's Recall, Chalice of the Void, Grafdigger's Cage, Vendilion Clique, Fulminator Mage, Echoing Truth, Memoricide, Surgical Extraction, Sadistic Sacrament, Extirpate, Mindbreak Trap, Shadow of Doubt, Vedalken Shackles, Threads of Disloyalty, Spreading Seas ...
lots of stuff.
April 28, 2015 2:40 a.m.
Shadow of Doubt is so funny to use when they go to crack their 1st fetch at end of my 2nd turn. So so funny.
April 28, 2015 2:43 a.m.
Snowblindblitz says... #24
Was wondering if anyone can give me some tips on this, my first original brew for modern, with my others being Delver and Goblins.Thanks!
April 28, 2015 2:58 a.m.
When did this forum become deck help? o.O No offense..
April 28, 2015 3:21 a.m.
Its not like Im gonna stop them Femme_Fatale.. Just figured this thread had its rules specifically about discussing things.. not just asking for help with no context to aid in clarifying their desires...
:( Ive shamelessly plugged my deck too so..
April 28, 2015 4:52 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #28
I wasn't saying it should be played, There is a few main deck slots that I don't agree with.
All are good in certain metagames but I feel like anticipate COULD fill the lacking 2 drop slot as Twin only plays 4 remand in the two slot.
April 28, 2015 5:58 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #29
Maindeck Dispel is not good. It's dead against Abzan, and useless against burn.
Lavamancer is a great card, but UR Twin is the wrong deck for it.
April 28, 2015 6:40 a.m.
quesobueno123 says... #30
Useless against burn? I wouldn't say that, it counters Lightning Bolt, Boros Charm, Atarka's Command, Lightning Helix, and Skullcrack.
April 28, 2015 6:42 a.m.
quesobueno123 says... #32
Generally, the first game goes to me, then post board it becomes much closer with spellskites and such. I find it to be about 70-30 me game one and 60-40 them postboard against this list Splinter Twin that my friend runs.
April 28, 2015 6:50 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #33
Do you mind writing a in depth perspective for me?
Like, play/draw.
Sideboard options from both sides, General matchup details.
April 28, 2015 6:55 a.m.
quesobueno123 says... #36
Sure, I could either give it to you right after school, or play some games with him and walkthrough the matchup sort of play-by-play. I couldn't do that till the weekend however.
April 28, 2015 7:01 a.m.
A 1 mana counter that stops almost all burn spells is not useless at all. Stop this.
I will be around later to do some more testing of my Enchantress deck.
April 28, 2015 7:59 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #39
It's too narrow, Its good when it good, Its horrible when its not.
I don't hate 1 main deck dispel but Grim Lavamancer and Peek seem terrible.
April 28, 2015 8:05 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #40
ChiefBell I was thinking more in the sense that burn decks play something like 20 instants which effectively do the same thing. Stopping a single Skullcrack could win a game, or Atarka's Command might be threatening lethal, but for the most part, you are going to counter one of many spells which mostly do the same thing. The redundancy of burn does make counterspells slightly worse, but the main things to hit are the creatures.
Eidolon of the Great Revel will punish you for playing counterspells, so you counter it instead. Atarka's Command is far less threatening with no creatures in play, so prioritizing you counterspells for the creatures is a better gameplan than for specific game-winning spells.
If, however, I were to play a Twin deck with Dispel mainboard, against a field full of blue decks, I would feel very good. It seems like a good meta-call against Twin, but not midrange or aggro. However, sideboards exist for the reason that you can take the dead cards out.
April 28, 2015 8:08 a.m.
lemmingllama says... #41
Grim Lavamancer is mainly to burn out creatures without investing cards, or to get a persistent source of damage.
Also Dispel may be narrow, but it also hits every card outside of Combust, Rending Volley, and Abrupt Decay that would interact with their combo. So it has a purpose, and can just be boarded out if it isn't necessary.
April 28, 2015 8:28 a.m.
Burn doesn't have card draw so every countered burn spell is a big deal. If you get to the point where they're top decking then the game is almost over.
April 28, 2015 8:34 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #43
Grim Lavamancer is an excellent card for a burn deck against non-burn decks. Not so much for a UR Twin deck.
It is also a great card to have in Grixis Twin. In UR, you want to play a more control game than a combo one, but Grixis offers a more aggressive midrange plan (much like Tarmo-Twin) rather than the control one.
April 28, 2015 8:35 a.m.
JexInfinite says... #44
ChiefBell By the logic that burn has a good G1 against Twin, a mainboard Dispel makes an amount of sense, but doesn't help the fact that it is situationally great, but oft times not useful. It gets way better post-board with potential burn hosers, but burn is T1 for a reason. It wins games incredibly quickly.
April 28, 2015 8:39 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #45
Whether or not you were speaking to me.
Grim Lavamamcer doesn't do shiz against the card I can expect to see the most, Siege Rhino. I understand how and why the card is used.
Dispel, I also understand, I main deck one. Which leaves 3 slots if you take out the one Peek and 2 Lavamancers.
Now back to the original question, Anticipate, Yes or No.
April 28, 2015 8:40 a.m.
Im not sure that I'd run it main board though. I don't know. Counterspells aren't my thing.
April 28, 2015 8:41 a.m.
GoldGhost012 says... #47
I believe the answer was "why, when Twin doesn't play Telling Time?"
April 28, 2015 8:42 a.m.
Anticipate in twin is not a bad card. It's almost always better than telling time. Digging through 3 cards for 2 mana is not a bad thing for a combo deck.
April 28, 2015 8:43 a.m.
bijschjdbcd says... #49
Because Telling Time I believe that Anticipate is a marginally better card.
April 28, 2015 8:44 a.m.
Sticking to tradition is not necessarily a good thing. Though there are better things you can do with 2 mana I think.
DERPLINGSUPREME says... #1
@nashbridges52: faeries, ninjitsu, infect/prolifferate, walkers, mill, steal their deck.
there. pick ur poison.
April 27, 2015 9:38 p.m.