Sadistic Sacrament

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vintage Legal

Sadistic Sacrament

Sorcery

Kicker {{7}} (You may pay an additional {{7}} as you cast this spell.)

Search target player's library for up to three cards, exile them, then that player shuffles his or her library. If Sadistic Sacrament was kicked, instead search that player's library for up to fifteen cards, exile them, then that player shuffles his or her library.

jets99 on Jarad vod Savo

1 month ago

i suggest either Sadistic Sacrament or Praetor's Grasp to protect your graveyard

freezerboy on Kill.EXE

2 months ago

Not sure if you're keeping this under any kind of budget, but All Is Dust and Damnation seem good to add. Also a Mutilate, or Toxic Deluge can work too though your commander is susceptible to dying with them.

Also, Sadistic Sacrament type spells can help with your opponents combo pieces.

Dark Prophecy can also help you draw some cards.

If you want a dump for your mana, Maga, Traitor to Mortals can one shot someone.

Immortalys on Cards that exile Libraries in …

4 months ago

For my Circu, Dimir Lobotomist deck I am looking for cards that selectively pick apart my opponents decks. Think of cards Extract, Sadistic Sacrament and Denying Wind. The idea is to make a "mill" deck, but without having to actually mill all the cards, just my opponents wincons, and to have the "milled" cards go to exile to stop those nasty graveyard decks. They can't win with a deck full of lands, ramp and card draw after all, so why put effort into milling/exiling those cards? If there are very few cards like that, I will also accept cards like Life's Finale that don't exile but do search, Umbris, Fear Manifest that don't search but do exile, and/or cards that double up the existing effects like Lithoform Engine.

As a bonus, cards that trigger when an opponent shuffles their library like Psychic Surgery are also very welcome.

freezerboy on Good Cards That You Just …

4 months ago

Thankfully cards like Sadistic Sacrament exist to ruin nonsense.

Virlym on Yuriko, Shadow of Fate EDH

4 months ago

Honestly, I wouldn't bother with the Thassa's Oracle line. There's much better generals out there for it over Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow (like any Thrasios, Triton Hero deck partnered with something that has black in it). Doomsday could still work with Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow as a game ender tho if you really wanted to keep that in. It's really your call, but I never liked setting myself up to lose if something gets countered (Trickbind makes you lose to the Thassa's Oracle line, and something like Angel's Grace will make you lose to the Doomsday line). Having said that, the following will assume you are focusing on Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, and not a planted "good-stuff" strategy.

glaring issues in a general sense from your list :
1)You have poor ramp choices for Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow
2)Your land base is too awkward and has unnecessary things in it.
3)You have some turtle cards that don't really have much use in Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow

1)Mana Vault is more for a deck that wants big explosive turns, not ramp for small things over multiple turns. You are hardly ever going to want to dump 4 mana into untapping it. Same concept applies to Dark Ritual as well, especially considering it only gives you black mana. Lotus Petal falls into this category as well to an extent. You don't want explosive turns, you want consistent pressure. Mox Opal makes you life more complicated for a potential free mana, which leads into the next issue.

2)Your land choice is too awkward. You have artifact lands to turn on Mox Opal, but they serve no other purpose and can be wiped out with artifact removal. If you are running so many different lands, you generally want to be taking advantage of something where that matters (like Field of the Dead, and you usually want to avoid using the non-indestructible artifact lands unless you have a lot of artifact synergies. They are too vulnerable to just have for 1 or 2 cards. You have more fetch lands than you have targets for those fetches. You have 3 black fetchs, 3 blue fetches, 1 black/blue fetch, and 1 basic land fetch. You only have 4 basic lands, and 2 fetchable dual lands (giving you 8 fetches for 6 targets). Spire of Industry is honestly too reliant on other things that it can basically be counted as a colorless land with no utility.

3)Satoru Umezawa is cute, but doesn't help in a Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow. It's main purpose is to cheat in big things for 4 mana. Anything you have over 4 mana should already have a ninjutsu reduction to that. Spellseeker is only good for the Thassa's Oracle line and has no real impact with Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow aside from tutoring for a tutor, which is awkward (Solve the Equation follows the same line of thought). Viscera Seer's scry ability may seem decent to try and find something for Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, but you would need to sac ninjas or enablers, which would lower the amount of triggers you would get. The only real payoff for it is if you're trying to win that turn and you sac your ninjas after they trigger Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow. Praetor's Grasp is too reliant on your opponent having something useful to you, and isn't reliable enough for what Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow wants to be doing. And if you're using it to remove you opponent's wincons from their deck, you might as well just use something like Extract for that as it's cheaper, or Sadistic Sacrament as it will hit more targets. Grazilaxx, Illithid Scholar is a little too fragile for the bounce it gives and you would be better off running Cunning Evasion. The card draw on it really isn't necessary. Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow tends to give you more cards than you need, you don't need additional card draw reliant on damage. Opposition Agent kinda just falls under the "good-stuff" category and will most likely have a prompt death by any1 after you get a land off it, otherwise if kinda just sits in your hand and people will assume it's just a counter.

Ninjas of note that aren't included: Thousand-Faced Shadow, get it, it's too good. 1 drop flier is an enabler spot, but it is also a ninja. Later on, it can be used to double up some ninja triggers as a toolbox card. Mist-Syndicate Naga, expanding your ninja army is really nice and forces value from your opponents to deal with the growing threats. Moon-Circuit Hacker / Ninja of the Deep Hours, extra card draw on cards ninjas with low ninjutsu costs.

Some more meta call ninjas: Throat Slitter / Dokuchi Silencer, removal is nice, especially when it's already lending towards what you already want to be doing and not taking up additional space. Mistblade Shinobi temp creature removal, can set people back a turn if you hit something big, has a tap effect, etc. Skullsnatcher, graveyard hate.

Spirits on Yuriko, Shadow of Fate EDH

4 months ago

freezerboy, Sadistic Sacrament would be bad, hopefully have a counterspell onboard if that gets cast! I think Cruel Tutor would be good here too, to set the top deck.

Jack_Dashing, thanks for the post on the other deck I commented, appreciated. Valid point, I'm going to move Viscera Seer to the Ninja's category. Really he just sacrifices Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow to get Commander Ninjitsu back in play, and hopefully scry a nice card to the top of the library, so he's really like a Ninja since he just re-enables the Ninjitsu. He can be an early T1 play that also can connect if an opponent has no blockers to commander ninjitsu and return him to hand, then recast, and sac the Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, but doesn't have any evasion to speak of.

I'm trying to figure out how to get, Cruel Tutor (maybe remove Grim Tutor or Doomsday/Plunge into Darkness) and a backup plan to Thassa's Oracle, maybe Laboratory Maniac in? Since Doomsday just relies on Thassa's Oracle anyway, it's not really a backup.

A Doomsday + Plunge into Darkness or a Doomsday + Street Wraith or a Doomsday + Thassa's Oracle all rely on Thassa's Oracle anyway. Doomsday just let's me tutor the setup with a lot more cards (cantrips in hand, thassa's in hand, plunge in hand), so unsure really if it's the right card. Could just tutor up the thassa's/consul instead, but thats 2 tutors vs. 1.

Also, wonder if anyone just has a deck thats 30 lands, 25 tutors (Tatsunari, Toad Rider, CMC1/2 green tutors for Thassa's Oracle, CMC 1/2/3 blue tutors for Tainted Pact, CMC 1/2/3 black tutors for anything (counters/combo pieces). It wouldn't be very resilient without any draw, maybe have a couple strong draws you can tutor.

I like the ninja flavor though, seems like a bit of work to get going, but it's quick, low on the curve, draw built into the commander. Certainly competitive speed.

Also feel Mothdust Changeling is going to give me value as well. Not sure what changes I need in here. If I abandon Doomsday is there another alt. win (Show and Tell + Omniscience + Enter the Infinite maybe? They all punch people in the face with Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow, or is hitting with the high cmc extra turns spells good enough?

I watched a Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow on a youtube, it just pulled cards like Draco and such to top of library, but those cards never get cast, feel every card should at least have play value vs. just being a damage source, but have no play experience with this, hoping build 1 not to invest in a bunch of cards that will get cut as I learn to play it, but feel its a good start as is, a few more tweaks?

freezerboy on Yuriko, Shadow of Fate EDH

4 months ago

Ninjas are fun seems a good enough reason to me. Ninjas usually win in roundabout ways, like evasion exploitation for cards like Hatred, damage dealing with large cc cards requiring a deck setup with Yuriko, the Tiger's Shadow and a Vampiric Tutor, or I've had success with a poison subtheme using Tainted Strike and other infect style creatures as well. It seems that if someone used Sadistic Sacrament on your deck that would be the end of your win-cons.

legendofa on New Social Contract Breach Discussion

5 months ago

Gleeock I haven't gotten in a multiplayer game with randoms for years now, I've never played cEDH, and I don't actually have a regular group at the moment (frustration and sadness), so I'm probably out of touch with actual multiplayer reality.

All the same, though, I have a couple of responses. "[T]he only other valid player threw a tantrum & left the game" is not good play. But I take special exception to the tantrum. If, hypothetically, the other player said "I'm afraid I have no chance at winning, I concede. Good game, and well played," would that still be an issue? I understand that the game flow can be radically changed by who's present and available. However, I see the following: conceding gracefully is respectful and legal. Conceding with a tantrum is disrespectful, but legal. Refusing to vote on Expropriate, then continuing to play, is disrespectful and illegal. And 104.3a very much says a player can dip out of it all: "A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game."

But the legality of concession isn't really the issue here. The issue is "when is quitting the game right to do?" Instead of directly answering, I'd like to add some supplemental questions, based on this thread and my own thoughts.

  1. Is it fair play to concede in response to being attacked? If Gahiji, Honored One Beatdown attacks Tobias Andrion with a Titanic Ultimatum and enough creatures to defeat Tobias, can Tobias concede immediately to avoid the lifelink damage? Does the answer change whether Gahiji is dominating the match at 300 life + board vs. barely hanging on at 4 life and built up a Fervored board this turn?

  2. Is it fair play to concede if a player can reasonably expect to be unable to proceed, if an opponent is relying on their presence? If Sen Triplets Stax has stripped all artifact removal from The Lady of the Mountain's deck through Sadistic Sacrament and has taken control of nearly all of The Lady's permanents, can The Lady concede on the grounds that she reasonably believes she can't win, even though it would cost Triplets some key blockers?

  3. Is it fair play to concede a game if it forces another player into a line of action? Marisi, Breaker of the Coil Combat Control goads Jedit Ojanen into attacking. During Jedit's first main phase, before Jedit attacks, Barktooth Warbeard gets a critical removal spell countered and decides this game is unwinnable. Is Barktooth free to gracefully and respectfully concede, forcing Jedit to attack the remaining available player?

I don't claim to have objectively correct answers to these questions, but I think they add some needed nuance to the central question of when someone can concede to another person's detriment.

Obviously, conceding shouldn't be done yelling and tableflipping. But assuming a modicum of decency, I think conceding should be available at any time, within the agreement of the group. It can be difficult to determine whether conceding is done tactically, spitefully, or simply to cut losses, and having a pre-match conversation can settle these issues, so that's a point I strongly agree with. In a more competitive setting, I guess leave it to the judges to explain pre-tournament and adjucate as needed? That's outside of my expertise.

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