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Planeswalker — Sarkhan
+1: You may discard a card. If you do, draw a card.
+1: Gain two mana in any combination of colours. Spend this mana only to cast Dragon spells.
-7: Create four 5/5 red Dragon creature tokens with flying.
DraconicDestruction on Hellfire Barrage
5 months ago
I think that the Extraplanar Lens could be a good secondary way of ramp besides treasure, and Reckless Endeavor is a boardwipe, which is useful that gets treasure, which is also useful, so that's a plus, and Sarkhan, Fireblood is also good for ramp, plus it gets extra attackers & blockers out with its -7. overall, thanks for the suggestions
amarthaler on Hellfire Barrage
5 months ago
Great build! I love the fact you're using a lot of the AFR and CLB cards.
I can't think of many recommendations, but I'll throw some out there just for thought - not saying they'd necessarily be better than anything currently in the deck.
- Ruby Medallion for red spell reduction.
- Hazoret's Monument for red creature reduction plus the option to cycle cards.
- Treasonous Ogre for more ramp at the cost of life.
- Extraplanar Lens for Mountain ramp.
- Reckless Endeavor is pretty cool to wipe some of the board and make treasures (plus rolling dice is fun).
- Sarkhan, Fireblood for card cycle and Dragon-specific ramp.
Tragiceraser on Rivaz Dragon Tribal w/ Reanimator
5 months ago
I am going to put Flameshadow Conjuring in, just have to find one. As far as Unmarked grave and other tutors, I am trying to avoid tutors until I can play it in my pod several more times. Right now it has won 1 out of 3 games and didn't need to combo to get the win. I am sure loading it up with tutors and removing some of the worse draw spells and or dragons would streamline it, but I would like to keep the power level appropriate for my pod. I may even remove worldgorger and just keep bladewing as the only combo if it ends up winning too often. I may end up getting a Sarkhan, Fireblood instead of one of the less optimal cards though.
Zujiry on Rivaz EDH Dragon Tribal
6 months ago
Warum Vito? Für Lifelink?
Roghahh würd ich nochmal überlegen.
Der 3 Mana Sarkhan, Fireblood wäre noch ne Idee. Und Sarkhan's Unsealing.
Dragon's Hoard für Carddraw. Vllt Dragon Mage
Decidares on Ur-gonomics
9 months ago
Hey Eldmoi, thanks for the info. There's a quite a bit I would recommend optimizing. The long story short is that most of the dragons I'd recommend are already on my budget primer that you've seen and my super budget deck list that was part of the primer but is also available here if you're interested here.
First of all, you need to make sure your deck has a decent amount of ramp to cast your awesome dragons within a reasonable amount of time. If you are on a budget then I'd recommend Cultivate, Kodama's Reach, and Sakura-Tribe Elder at the very least. Other options for cheap ramp are Farseek, Wild Growth, and Fertile Ground. If you want to further optimize ramp, then adding in Nature's Lore and Three Visits on top of some forest based shock lands (e.g. Stomping Ground or triomes (e.g. Ziatora's Proving Ground would be ideal.
Second, you want to optimize your mana base by minimizing the number of taplands and ensuring you have the colors you need. Any tap lands that tap for only 2 colors (e.g. guild gates) could safely be dropped for basic lands. Tri-lands like you mentioned are decent enough to start off, because they can tap for 3 colors, but even those are suboptimal in the face of options like Dragonskull Summit and Blood Crypt. Furthermore, almost 50% of your deck requires red mana, so I'd ensure your lands reflects that.
Regarding the planeswalkers you have, I'd say Sarkhan, Fireblood is the most useful (distantly followed by Sarkhan Unbroken and Kiora, Master of the Depths). I'd consider cutting the others.
Some things off the top of my head for instants and sorceries: I would consider Crucible of Fire to be a win more card. Lozhan, Dragons' Legacy is almost a strictly better Sarkhan's Unsealing. Damn and Farewell are really good board wipes that aren't as mana intensive as some you're running. Garruk's Uprising is a very potent form of card draw. Monster Manual is probably better than Thran Temporal Gateway in most cases.
Finally the dragons. There are so many good dragons to consider, many of which I've mentioned in my deck primer, and many of which are available on most dragon lists online, that I'll focus on highlighting dragons I would recommend removing:
Acid-Spewer Dragon - Overcosted and doesn't do much. Deathtouch isn't as useful on a dragon that should be big enough to kill most thing it hits in the first place.
Backdraft Hellkite - Most instant and sorceries you have are too expensive or are simply aren't as immediately useful (e.g. don't want to board wipe your own dragons). The most useful ones you run are removal, but at that point you can just play dragons that can inherently remove things like Steel Hellkite.
Crosis, the Purger - Hard to save mana to take advantage of its effect. It'll feel bad to take advantage of its effect in casual metas anyways. If you really want to run a dragon like this then Teneb, the Harvester might be more fitting but even then I wouldn't really recommend it, because of the mana investment needed to make it work.
Dragonmaster Outcast - Not a good early game play and easy to kill later on.
Dream Pillager - This dragon is overcosted and is mostly a means of pseudo card draw. I'd just play an actual card draw card instead like Ancient Craving or Sign in Blood or Rishkar's Expertise.
Kargan Dragonlord - Costs too much to do too little. We have so many dragon options, even in budget decks, that vanilla dragons simply aren't worth it.
Malfegor - Discarding our hand isn't good to do unless it involves redrawing more cards (e.g. Knollspine Dragon).
Necromaster Dragon - Summoning vanilla 2/2 zombie tokens for 2 mana isn't good value in a dragon deck, and you have to go through combat to get it off. In a world where Ancient Gold Dragon exists, it's hard to justify an effect like this. Dragon Broodmother and Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Miirym, Sentinel Wyrm would be far more effective token generators.
There's always more we could do to optimize any deck, including mine for sure, so I'd be happy to comment more later if you'd like. But I also want to emphasize that as long as you and your playgroup are having fun, you really can't go wrong :)
Rivel on Mono red Dragon Deck V2
1 year ago
CardDraw 6 cards are directly labeled in the card draw section Sarkhan's Triumph, Dragon's Hoard, Faithless Looting, Jeska's Will, Magmatic Insight, Reforge the Soul. Though I do have draw from other sources such as creatures, ramp, discount, anthem, and land. Card draw from creatures: Runehorn Hellkite. Card draw from ramp: Mind Stone and Sarkhan, Fireblood. Card draw from discounts: Hazoret's Monument and Herald's Horn Card draw from anthem: The Immortal Sun and Vanquisher's Banner Card draw from land: Inventors' Fair, Scrying Sheets (potentially), Arch of Orazca, and Bonders' Enclave. All in all, I potentially have card draw from 11 sources, (13 if I technically include myriad landscapes and Burnished Hart). I haven't played with this deck yet so I cant say for certain whether or not that is too much or too little. If I want more card draw I would first like to look into Dragonstorm, Endless Atlas, Dragon Mage,Hedron Archive, Mind's Eye and lastly Sunbird's Invocation. I appreciate any advice on which ones I should prioritize, any alternatives or perhaps ones I should swap out immediately from my deck with ones in the maybe board. Till then once I make the deck and play it ill figure out from how it feels I suppose.
duchessCretina on Red Dragons
1 year ago
Hi, I mean this in the most constructive way:
i think that I know of some lands that may help you ramp in case you want to:
These can serve as ramp in a pinch (except for sandstone, which dies in 2 usages).
Do you really need Crucible of Fire? It seems that dragons are already powerful on their own and that these slots could be used for something else.
There is also a land that I think may help you more, which is Ghitu Encampment. The first strike 2/1 can be more versatile. The utility lands you chose seem to be more dedicated to offense, but that's not always going to be the case.
Tears of Valakut can also only target flying threats... wouldnt it be better to have something that kills a wider range of creatures? Like Dead / Gone, maybe? Or Fire Prophecy, which may allow you to "cycle" an unwanted card.
And in case you are in a pinch, maybe use a card like Pyroclasm or Sweltering Suns (and I just noticed it may help activate the Dragon Eggs).
Idk about the price, but the "spell lands" also seem a bit helpful: Spikefield Hazard Flip, Valakut Awakening Flip.
Sarkhan, Fireblood, Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker and Sarkhan, Dragonsoul also seem interesting... Sarkhan's Triumph too.
There are too many Dragon-related cards to choose from @[email protected]
also, maybe try cutting the deck down to 60, it'll make it more consistent (22 lands for 70 cards isn't enough)...
If you could manage to use only odd-cost cards, could even use Obosh, the Preypiercer as a companion
TheoryCrafter on Dragon Tribal
1 year ago
All of these cards can help with ramp in some way:
Atsushi, the Blazing Sky, Crucible of the Spirit Dragon, Dockside Extortionist, Dragonlord's Servant, Dragonspeaker Shaman, Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge, Goldspan Dragon, Leyline Tyrant, Rapacious Dragon, Sarkhan, Fireblood and Treasure Vault.
If you want some support for Gadrak, add Predator Dragon, Preyseizer Dragon, and Voracious Dragon.
Hope this helps. Happy Hunting!
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