What Color Identity is best for Tibalt?

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Posted on Oct. 23, 2018, 2:37 p.m. by BMHKain

UPDATE: Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded is exempted from this, but Olivia, Mobilized for War is confirmed as the CMDR...

I'm currently making a Deck utilizing the graveyard as a theme. I'd like some suggestions for cards w/ either Flashback, Hellbent, Threshold, & Madness. I also want suggestions for other cards that use the grave as a part of the strategy.

Any ideas? Thank you in advanced! :)

Arvail says... #2

Tibalt is a fiendish sadist. He honestly should have been RB and felt way more torturous or cruel in nature. This guy revels in pain and suffering, after all.

October 23, 2018 3 p.m.

Goldatarte says... #3

Rakdos with exhume and flashback for best use of his +1 ?

Izzet with proliferate an "Stroke of genius effects" for his -4 ?

You can't reach -6 in anyway so...

But honestly there is always better stuff to do what he does for two manas. Tormenting Voice / Cathartic reunion / Toil //Trouble... I doubt you can do "good stuff" with him (but if you can I'd like to see that, I really want him to be good ^^)

October 23, 2018 3:01 p.m.

griffstick says... #4


October 23, 2018 3:18 p.m.

FormerBalloon says... #5

R/B for madness too

October 23, 2018 4:07 p.m.

DrukenReaps says... #6

I'd go with a graveyard deck of some sort like others have said. I actually strongly considered using him in my own Mairsil, the Pretender deck, his random discard with draw is advantageous due to how cheap he is. Other commanders that might like him are Sedris, the Traitor King, Wort, Boggart Auntie, Bladewing the Risen, and Feldon of the Third Path. All for his ability to come out quickly and start putting stuff in the grave.

October 23, 2018 4:54 p.m.

BMHKain says... #7

Well, my decision for a color Identity is made; I'm going Rakdos; Graveyard Manipulation, & that I can still Rummage as well as having cards that benefit from having no hand at all is incredible. Question now is...

What would be a good commander w/ these qualities? I'm already working on a lot of projects as it is...


Gamble could be added for the "No Hand" Strategem. I wonder if recursion like Reito Lantern works here when needed. Other than that, I don't know what else could put a grave into my library...

Thanks, guys. Oh, & to griffstick: What do you mean by "Smh"? Is it some kind of term regarding my name here? If not, what is it? Just curiosity killing me again... XP

October 24, 2018 10:10 a.m.

chirz2792 says... #8

You could try Olivia, Mobilized for War with some sort of madness style build. If you wanted to add a third color then Gyrus, Waker of Corpses is a possibility.

October 24, 2018 12:28 p.m.

BMHKain says... #9

How useful would Hellbent be as an ability be here? I'd assume that w/ so much discarding, effects requiring 0 card hands should be useful here somehow...

I wonder which ones though... Demonfire is a must here, & that Hellbent Tutor is Amazing here... What about Sarkhan, the Dragonspeaker?

October 24, 2018 1:02 p.m.

chirz2792 says... #10

I guess it would depend on how much time you spend in topdeck mode. Sarkhan doesn't seem all that good, his first 2 abilities aren't great and his ult seems decent in a deck like this but you can't count on getting to it. If you want an effect similar to his ult you could try Avaricious Dragon.

October 24, 2018 4:33 p.m.

BMHKain says... #11

Looks good here. I also remembered Lion's Eye Diamond being amazing here for being a Black Lotus that kills your hand. Stunned that got Unbanned...

Although, I have two ideas...

  1. How good is Abyssal Persecutor here? I heard that some can manipulate his reversed Platinum Angel ability... But how? I'm actually thinking of other Wincons here as well... Liliana's Contract, & Revel in Riches would be busted...

  2. How do I protect my yard from stuff like Bojuka Bog & co., Grafdigger's Cage, or even Ashes of the Abhorrent? Even more so w/ an opposing Leyline of the Void? These are all tied as the Biggest Weakness in a deck like this. & griffstick, I still am wondering why you said "Smh". Any reason why?

That said, I'm trying to plan out my deck as I'm working on others... Wish me Luck! :D

October 25, 2018 10:29 a.m.

chirz2792 says... #12

What's your budget for this? Lion's Eye Diamond isn't cheap and the price isn't going down anytime soon if ever. Null Brooch is something you could try for a similar effect.

  1. Doesn't seem that great. I know it can be manipulated but I've never tried so I'm not really sure. My best guess would be that they find some way to donate it or they get their opponent's to negative life then sacrifice it.

  2. Grafdigger's Cage should be pretty easy to get rid of in /. You have stuff like Abrade, Shatter, Vandalblast to get rid of it. Best way to protect against Bojuka Bog is stuff that gives you hexproof like Witchbane Orb and Orbs of Warding. Ashes of the Abhorrent and Leyline of the Void are difficult to get rid of in your colors, your best chance is to use colorless stuff like Unstable Obelisk, Scour from Existence, Karn Liberated, and Spine of Ish Sah.

October 25, 2018 11:47 a.m.

BMHKain says... #13

Irony: Right now, some of my decklists are currently brews. I'll work on them in the near future. The decklists are a start. That said...

  1. Well, it would be a surprise if I get 2; one for my Aminatou, the Fateshifter deck, & this for instant discard for mana...

  2. I'll probably reject that demon, & get some others in its stead.

  3. Huh. I'll have to explore my options for Hexproof I guess... Well, Didn't think about Colorless in this case. I'll have to sew it in my mind (Not literally.). :P

But the big question is: what would be the best bet in as a Commander capable of this? Or is it really a universal trait?

October 25, 2018 12:11 p.m.

chirz2792 says... #14

I'm not sure what you mean by that last question. Are you asking what commander would be best for what you're looking for?

October 25, 2018 8:52 p.m.

BMHKain says... #15

@chirz2792: As a matter of fact; yes. I have a placeholder though; Malfegor...

October 26, 2018 8:55 a.m.

chirz2792 says... #16

Malfegor is definitely pretty solid for a deck like this. I used to run him and his enter trigger is brutal. You could also try Olivia, Mobilized for War. Neheb, the Worthy lets you discard when you deal combat damage. You could also try Xantcha, Sleeper Agent as a way to refill your hand so you have cards to discard. Last suggestion is Garna, the Bloodflame to get all the stuff you discarded back.

October 26, 2018 11:31 a.m.

Isopod says... #17

Not gonna lie, thought this was a Meme post.

Madness/Flashback works very well, especially if the Flashback cost is cheaper.

October 27, 2018 6:25 a.m.

BMHKain says... #18

But what about Hellbent as an ability? Actually, I'll check that one list as well to see what my best bet in this case would be for a competitive nature... Thanks everybody! :D

October 27, 2018 6:53 a.m.

BMHKain says... #19

OK. Malfegor is actually Tier 5 now, so my best bet is either Olivia, Mobilized for War, or Garna, the Bloodflame; both at Tier 4. I'll try & promote either one to Tier 3 or 2, as Well as My Boros Deck; & hopefully other Boros Decks at Tier 4 as well.

Now it's your choice. What to choose as my commander?

October 27, 2018 7:17 a.m.

chirz2792 says... #20

Personally I'd go for Olivia or Malfegor. Garna's ability seems a little harder to build around.

October 27, 2018 12:44 p.m.

BMHKain says... #21

Hmm... Alright. I'll try Olivia, Mobilized for War. Though I wonder how Flashback, Madness, Hellfire, Threshold even could help her, since you're only discarding one at a time...

& only when Casting Creatures...

October 27, 2018 1:02 p.m.

BMHKain says... #22


Can anyone tell me how Olivia, Mobilized for War works in this case? Do I have to discard my stuff by casting creatures? If so, I'd like some other ways, please. Thanks in advance.

October 29, 2018 9 a.m.

chirz2792 says... #23

October 29, 2018 12:42 p.m.

BMHKain says... #24

@chirz2792 Thanks! I'm just finishing up on my decks right now, BTW. When I'm ready, I'll begin development. I just need to finish my other decklists first...

October 29, 2018 1:06 p.m.

BMHKain says... #25

BIG UPDATE: Check this out, a product I'm still having problems w/ while building...

Sorry that I threw Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded in; this is meant for mass discard for all. Though I do wonder what I can do to improve on the Discard aspect of this deck... Plus, W/ my cube almost done for ideas, I'll post a deck soon as a tribute to 4Lark & his (her?) Vorthos/Melvin style of Deckmaking. I'll make the Base list soon enough...

Any suggestions for what I should add for Discard Manipulation/Better Discard Effects/Cards in general? I seem to be in a fender-bender here...

November 6, 2018 12:01 p.m.

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