(3): Put target card in a graveyard on the bottom of its owner's library.
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|Champions of Kamigawa (CHK)||Uncommon|
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Reito Lantern occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%
Reito Lantern Discussion
2 months ago
First of all, looking at it 'on paper', I don't know how this thing works, but it works! Here are my thoughts (whether they amount to anything or not is up to you...)
First, the curve on this is absurd, especially given the mana. Would some more mana production early game be helpful? I noticed the Sarkhan, Fireblood is missing, so it seems maybe not? Still, Faeburrow Elder seems like it might be a busted mana creature for the deck.
I would still look to sub more expensive reanimation for lower CMC reanimation...since then you can activate more other abilities, cast more spells, etc with your mana. Also, more versatile reanimation might be good, considering how often cards like your Sarkhans and your 'gateways' blown up. Perhaps think of replacing things like Fearsome Awakening and Unburial Rites with things like Animate Dead (only 2cmc, can take my things too) and Obzedat's Aid (gets your planeswalkers, artifacts, and enchants back), or even Beacon of Unrest.
Since you're a graveyard-centric deck, some things to salvage your graveyard in case someone decides they need to exile all your dragons might be in order. You have continuous effects like Reito Lantern or Bow of Nylea (bonus points for being cute with Balefire Dragon), or you can do something that serves multiple purpose like Perpetual Timepiece. Cauldron does this somewhat as well. Again, not sure how much of an issue this is.
A few cards I was unimpressed with: Verix Bladewing, Praetor's Council, Sarkhan, Dragonsoul, Darksteel Ingot, Mirror Gallery, Palace Siege, Ephemerate (for this one, I would personally go back to Cloudshift, so Dragonlord Silumgar can permanently steal a creature).
Some ideas: Temur Ascendancy, Assassin's Trophy/ Beast Within/ Generous Gift/ Anguished Unmaking (some very general target removal, hit anything really stupid that's bothering you), Dragonlord Atarka, Dragonlord Ojutai (I think you were working on getting Atarka...)
2 months ago
Ah, tokens! Initiate the throng, then fulminate as such.
I have many suggestions.
Now, typically I am an advocate for running fewer lands in decks, however, this deck has an excruciatingly low amount of card draw. Either make way for lands or add a half-dozen cantrips.
You have many anthems, some of which are quite lacking in my opinion. Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw, Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon", Selesnya Guildmage, Oakhame Ranger, Ahn-Crop Champion, Cultivator of Blades, Valor in Akros, Spear of Heliod, and Dragon Throne of Tarkir are all quite mana-hungry and little impact. They depend on a board state to work, and without one they verge on useless. I would like to call out Call for Unity in particular as being incredibly slow and capricious.
Avoid Fate is interesting, but it doesn't do a lot. Many of the cards in here are restrictive depending on board state, thus I would cut this.
For what I would include, Rootborn Defenses defends the board, Druids' Repository adds far too much mana, Aura Shards and Aura Mutation shatter and batter, Hour of Reckoning kills many things, Increasing Devotion allows for rebounding eftsoons wrath, Master of the Wild Hunt is one I particularly enjoy, Sprout Swarm is difficult to interact with, Sigarda, Heron's Grace has early and late-game potential, and Devout Invocation creates tokens abound. Triumph of the Hordes can just wipe out an entire table.
This deck has almost no card draw. Mentor of the Meek, Skullclamp, and Huatli, Radiant Champion can draw many, many cards. When you get to it, Sylvan Library is fantastic. Harmonize, Slate of Ancestry, Shamanic Revelation, Collective Unconscious are ways to refill in preparation of a board wipe.
Beast Whisperer is just good value.
I would recommend far more ramp. Llanowar Elves, Avacyn's Pilgrim, Fyndhorn Elves, Elvish Mystic, and/or Birds of Paradise. Incredibly quick if you get them out turn one, and oft set you far ahead enough that it doesn't matter when you get wrathed.
That shall be all from me. If you so wish, I have two swarm decks that you could reference for honing your build, each of which have tested well for the years I have had them.
May fortune betide you, and the tokens your enemies. Farewell!
4 months ago
king-saproling- I'm so glad you like the deck! It's one of my favorites to play and I appreciate the suggestions.
Herald of Leshrac is one I've not heard of, and I like it a lot for disrupting opponents and gaining free mana! If your playgroup is cool with you thieving lands, go for it.
Marsh Flitter is a token generator and a free sac outlet. Huh, I'll keep an eye on it for future.
Grinning Ignus only works at sorcery speed and returns itself to our hand, which we don't want. I like where your head is at for mana generation, though.
Carnival of Souls is a fascinating and risky way to squeeze in more flips. It does put restriction on our timing as we have to use the mana when it is created, and is a nonbo with our infinites, as they often involve putting infinite creatures into play, which would drain us at the same rate as our opponents. I think you could try it and it would be a coin flip whether it won or lost you individual games just by itself.
Braid of Fire , Black Market , Imperial Recruiter , Mana Echoes , and Teferi's Puzzle Box are all cards I have considered playing, and would certainly be reasonable inclusions! I have not included them because I don't currently own them and they are expensive.
Mindmoil would not be a good inclusion because we don't want to play spells from our hand if we can at all avoid it. It does allow us to stack the bottom of our library, but it's 5 mana do nothing, and scry to the bottom if we have spare mana after that.
Vessel of Endless Rest seems unimpactful for 3 mana and we have creatures and artifacts that do the same thing repeatably, which is what we're looking for to win.
Junktroller is great for recursion, but unfortunately it taps to activate, making it hard to go infinite. Spending the mana to activate Epitaph Golem or Reito Lantern is honestly just more reliable and abusable than tapping, as we do not run untappers.
K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth is a spicy include, though I have chosen not to do so because he only gets pumped off of casting, and doesn't contribute to a combo. He would be useful for getting black creatures out of our hand, and I assume combos with Blood Celebrant , but we have 1 card that performs that combo by itself: Treasonous Ogre .
Blood Artist I've gone back and forth on. It absolutely is worth an include, but I find that we have enough payoffs once infinite is achieved so I replaced it with redundancy in other places, like token generation
Sifter of Skulls has 4 power, which automatically excludes it from this build. It is important to get Grenzo out early to start building the value engine, so we cast him for X=1.
Here is the primer I took my inspiration from. I highly recommend reading it to get the general philosophy and lines of the deck! https://www.mtgnexus.com/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=22095
4 months ago
I have a similar deck I built a while back. I've thought about going back to it and tweaking it a little. https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/jace-mind-drinker/ Anyway, here are some cool cards.
4 months ago
Styms - I’m glad you like the deck and I hope you have as much fun with it as I do! Thanks for the typo tip also, I’ll fix that.
proterran98 - Thanks for the compliment! I think you’d have to rebuild the deck in one of two ways for Sunbird’s, but I love the idea. You could either make the deck entirely (or a huge majority) one cmc, so that every spell is bound to hit something unless it’s a land revealed, or build your deck with a Birthing Pod type of curve with more lean into the lower cmc spells. You could definitely make it work I think, and it’d be fun as hell if nothing else.
Matticusrex - Sunforger has a place, but it is highly mana intensive and you need to build around it heavily. One card you would require for a Sunforger package is Magnetic Theft . Some other possible additions are Auriok Windwalker , Brass Squire , and maybe even Puresteel Paladin to cheat the equip cost. You also need tutors for Sunforger, of which there are four or five reasonable ones. Other cards that I think make Sunforger better are Mistveil Plains , Canal Dredger , Epitaph Golem , Junktroller , and Reito Lantern so you can reuse spells you get that would go to the graveyard. Another notable inclusion is Settle the Wreckage as a tutorable one sided board wipe.
I originally had it in the deck, and considered adding it back in recently, but the slot efficiency is poor for the value you gain. Why it’s in such a high percentage of those decks is likely because the top decks on here have or had Sunforger for a long time, and it feels like a natural conclusion, even though it isn’t upon inspection.
If the package itself weren’t so expensive (tutors alone likely costing $30-$70 for maximum efficiency) I would say try it and see for yourself. A problem I often ran into with Sunforger was that it took way more resources to get and hold up Sunforger that could have been spent progressing my board or doing something worthwhile. It is a powerful card, but not one that I think truly fits here, even in a storm build.
For example: if you can manage to get all 3 instant speed equip cards, 3 graveyard to bottom of library cards, and hold up the mana to do all this, you could theoretically Settle the Wreckage on each players turn in a pod, rendering you unattackable. However, Intimidation Bolt has a roughly similar effect for about a dozen less card slots and costing around the same mana to hold up for three turns in a row.
TLDR; wouldn’t advise Sunforger, but if you want to include it certainly can be played well If built around properly
As an aside, if you’re just using it as a tutor, and not trying to build around abusing it, it might be reasonable there just to find Teferi’s Protection, Boros Charm, or Angel’s Grace in a pinch. Even then, you’re investing 8 mana to cast one spell from your deck, and a further 5 for each other spell you get with it. Hope this answer is in-depth enough to help with your decision making.
6 months ago
RECENT UPDATES: Pillar of Origins out Extraplanar Lens in (as well as snow lands), Reito Lantern sadly out cause i like this one but it was never as handy as I wanted it to be so Empowered Autogenerator is in adding to the ramp package. Ive also added Mirage Mirror and Grip of Chaos replacing Minion Reflector and somthing else i cant remember tho, Grip of Chaos i havnt played yet but its mainly there for fun till i find somthing better.
7 months ago
Yeah I agree with Traumatize . Just nasty.
8 months ago
Hello! Have you considered Workhorse ? It's amazing with something that can amazing with something like Reito Lantern . Also please consider Tel-Jilad Stylus . I built a Grenzo (power 3<) and it works wonders. Particularly for your deck, you can use tel-jilad to put Grenzo on the bottom after you activate Grenzo to return him to the battlefield as a 'makeshift' flicker.