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Nether Void Discussion
1 month ago
Cards to add/consider:
1 month ago
yes, crawler was in the infant stages of this list along with other slow creatures like Jace's Archivist
nekusar definitely does have a bounty on his head a majority of the time, which is why I run a decent amount of countermagic and control/permission
like most "efficient" edh decks, this deck does not require the use of its commander to win effectively, and he is often used as a blocker, or I simply cast him when my opponents are tapped out or when i have a counterspell in hand and can protect him enough to start wheeling, but he certainly does get answered more than the other cards in the deck, but i dont need to cast him to be able to kill opponents with mill or damage from cards like Chains of Mephistopheles, Underworld Dreams or Liliana's Caress
generally, the most trouble i have had is from selesyna or creature combo decks, since I run a very limited amount of potential blockers, and being spell-central renders me weak to token swarm, which is the main reason I run mainly utility creatures and a lot of creature answers like Evacuation, Damnation, Toxic Deluge, Cryptic Command or Rakdos Charm, and in the earlier stages i ran things such as Propaganda and Crawlspace, and Torpor Orb
secondly, I've found that Aura Shards or Bane of Progress effects really gimp the deck, since outside of nekusar himself a lot of my wheel value comes from artifacts and enchantments such as Dream Halls, Waste Not, Underworld Dreams, Teferi's Puzzle Box, or mana rocks, also hoser cards such as Spirit of the Labyrinth can stop wheels, and since grixis lacks any real form of enchantment removal, I will have to rely only on countermagic or bounce to answer aura shards or the like
other than hatebears, token swarm and stax effects that gimp spell decks such as Nether Void being my main weakness, I also find that wheeling a lot enables the HELL out of flashback or reanimator decks like Kess, Dissident Mage, Sedris, the Traitor King, or Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, due to wheels filling up graveyards relatively fast.
to combat this, i run graveyard hate such as Rakdos Charm and Bojuka Bog, and previously,Leyline of the Void. the reason being that when i wheel multiple times and they have a large graveyard with threats like Golgari Grave-Troll and Past in Flames, i can then exile those threats, which then allows me to cast Timetwister for maximum advantage as I shuffle away 50 cards while they get zero
essentially the main weaknesses of a wheel spell deck would be decks that take advantage of wheel effects or my lack of blocks, so creature heavy, reanimator, or stax decks usually give me trouble with combat damage, graveyard recursion, and combo denial respectively.
hope that was informative enough!
1 month ago
Any thoughts on Nether Void? It works well in my stax deck.
2 months ago
In full disclosure I've never played against that list or one quite like it - but typically the crux of Meren's power is how you choose to mulligan and which lines of play you seek out in your first few turns. In other words, a generic "good hand" and luck of the draw will often not serve you well, as opposed to thinking very critically about your opponents' weaknesses and proactively seeking out the best ways to address their individual strategies.
For example, some games against certain lists I ignore all else and look for Null Rod ASAP, because the disproportionate advantage it provides vs. artifact combo / ramp (i.e. Rashmi, Eternities Crafter combo) is simply so strong that every other line of play is just not worth it in comparison. On the other hand, against something like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard it is usually crucial to find removal or a boardwipe as soon as possible. So, your opening hand / mulligans / early tutors should reflect the line of play you believe is most likely to win you the game (again, a generic "good" hand will usually be the incorrect choice - it needs to be "good" for the specific matchup)
Initial impressions looking at the Ramos list:
In summary, we are much faster than this list and it at least appears to me that bogging him down in the opening turns of the game would give us plenty of time to setup a lock or establish fantastic board advantage.
Was this a 1v1 game or multiplayer? If multiplayer, did the rest of the table not use any removal?
2 months ago
Yes they can, you are correct
I used to run many more of these when he was the stax variant such as Nullstone Gargoyle, Planar Chaos, Ice Cave and Guile, but the storm variant cares more about storm count than artifacts actually resolving
2 months ago
For a first draft this is a really nice deck. There are cards to obviously take out for others. The meta that I am in, involves a very heavy stream of stax cards. Trinisphere Static Orb Nether Void are all crucial pieces to make the stack work to you. The deck is designed specifically to decimate combo hunters. Break the combo player and make them defeat you on your terms.
Thats what I can say. Playing this deck enough, I've learned quite a bit about how it goes and what you need to make it successful. Great start though!
2 months ago
I actually find (from my personal experience) that more competitive players and games have no proxies, and will buy duplicates of every card as needed, or use a system that allows them to quickly sleeve up the cards that are shared between decks.
For actual tournament play or sanctioned events, you cannot have proxies of any kind, so take that into consideration.
For yourself personally, if you own the card, most people in a more casual setting will allow it, though depending on the card they may ask for proof. If you don't own it, they might say no, especially of its something ridiculous like Nether Void.
No matter what, always run it by the people your playing with if it isn't a dedicated group that already knows and accepts it
2 months ago
Alright, we can work with that. However, looking through the list, you'll need a lot of changes.
Let's start with the mana base.
I find most of your land choices questionable at best. I like that you started on a few of your shocks, so you're heading in the right direction there. The only other lands you're running I'd keep are Mana Confluence, Command Tower, City of Brass, and the 1x of each basic. You'll want to add the original duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, Tropical Island, Scrubland, Savannah, and Bayou) and all 10 fetchlands. This will bring us to 29 lands, leaving up to 3 slots for meta decision utility lands. I wouldn't go above 32 total, though. I also personally use Maze of Ith in every deck, but that's preference. I won't be counting those three slots in my running card total.
Next is your ramp. I like that you have Sol Ring and Birds of Paradise, but we can do more. You already have Simic Signet, but I suggest getting all the others, especially the blue ones (Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Golgari Signet, Orzhov Signet, Selesnya Signet). We can also run Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, and Talisman of Unity. Then, we start looking at fleshing out your mana dorks. Deathrite Shaman, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, and Elves of Deep Shadow should all go in. Finally, Carpet of Flowers to get ahead of other blue players.
On to the tutors.
For card advantage:
Current card count: 69.
This is where it gets interesting. I like Cyclonic Rift, Swords to Plowshares, and Winter Orb, but, as before, we can add to those. Abrupt Decay, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Flusterstorm, Counterspell, Mental Misstep, Silence, Negate, Dispel, and Angel's Grace can all find a home here. We can also run Smokestack, tanglewire, Nether Void, The Abyss, Arcane Laboratory, and Notion Thief.
Card total: 87.
I don't see any in your list, so this is a new category. We'll start with the basics. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Gitaxian Probe. With the best wincons I can prescribe, you'll also want Gush and Night's Whisper.
Card total: 93
Card total: 96.
Or we can not call it competitive. Usually a cheaper option.