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Nether Void Discussion
12 hours ago
In full disclosure I've never played against that list or one quite like it - but typically the crux of Meren's power is how you choose to mulligan and which lines of play you seek out in your first few turns. In other words, a generic "good hand" and luck of the draw will often not serve you well, as opposed to thinking very critically about your opponents' weaknesses and proactively seeking out the best ways to address their individual strategies.
For example, some games against certain lists I ignore all else and look for Null Rod ASAP, because the disproportionate advantage it provides vs. artifact combo / ramp (i.e. Rashmi, Eternities Crafter combo) is simply so strong that every other line of play is just not worth it in comparison. On the other hand, against something like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard it is usually crucial to find removal or a boardwipe as soon as possible. So, your opening hand / mulligans / early tutors should reflect the line of play you believe is most likely to win you the game (again, a generic "good" hand will usually be the incorrect choice - it needs to be "good" for the specific matchup)
Initial impressions looking at the Ramos list:
In summary, we are much faster than this list and it at least appears to me that bogging him down in the opening turns of the game would give us plenty of time to setup a lock or establish fantastic board advantage.
Was this a 1v1 game or multiplayer? If multiplayer, did the rest of the table not use any removal?
1 week ago
Yes they can, you are correct
I used to run many more of these when he was the stax variant such as Nullstone Gargoyle, Planar Chaos, Ice Cave and Guile, but the storm variant cares more about storm count than artifacts actually resolving
1 week ago
For a first draft this is a really nice deck. There are cards to obviously take out for others. The meta that I am in, involves a very heavy stream of stax cards. Trinisphere Static Orb Nether Void are all crucial pieces to make the stack work to you. The deck is designed specifically to decimate combo hunters. Break the combo player and make them defeat you on your terms.
Thats what I can say. Playing this deck enough, I've learned quite a bit about how it goes and what you need to make it successful. Great start though!
3 weeks ago
I actually find (from my personal experience) that more competitive players and games have no proxies, and will buy duplicates of every card as needed, or use a system that allows them to quickly sleeve up the cards that are shared between decks.
For actual tournament play or sanctioned events, you cannot have proxies of any kind, so take that into consideration.
For yourself personally, if you own the card, most people in a more casual setting will allow it, though depending on the card they may ask for proof. If you don't own it, they might say no, especially of its something ridiculous like Nether Void.
No matter what, always run it by the people your playing with if it isn't a dedicated group that already knows and accepts it
3 weeks ago
Alright, we can work with that. However, looking through the list, you'll need a lot of changes.
Let's start with the mana base.
I find most of your land choices questionable at best. I like that you started on a few of your shocks, so you're heading in the right direction there. The only other lands you're running I'd keep are Mana Confluence, Command Tower, City of Brass, and the 1x of each basic. You'll want to add the original duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, Tropical Island, Scrubland, Savannah, and Bayou) and all 10 fetchlands. This will bring us to 29 lands, leaving up to 3 slots for meta decision utility lands. I wouldn't go above 32 total, though. I also personally use Maze of Ith in every deck, but that's preference. I won't be counting those three slots in my running card total.
Next is your ramp. I like that you have Sol Ring and Birds of Paradise, but we can do more. You already have Simic Signet, but I suggest getting all the others, especially the blue ones (Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Golgari Signet, Orzhov Signet, Selesnya Signet). We can also run Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, and Talisman of Unity. Then, we start looking at fleshing out your mana dorks. Deathrite Shaman, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, and Elves of Deep Shadow should all go in. Finally, Carpet of Flowers to get ahead of other blue players.
On to the tutors.
For card advantage:
Current card count: 69.
This is where it gets interesting. I like Cyclonic Rift, Swords to Plowshares, and Winter Orb, but, as before, we can add to those. Abrupt Decay, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Flusterstorm, Counterspell, Mental Misstep, Silence, Negate, Dispel, and Angel's Grace can all find a home here. We can also run Smokestack, tanglewire, Nether Void, The Abyss, Arcane Laboratory, and Notion Thief.
Card total: 87.
I don't see any in your list, so this is a new category. We'll start with the basics. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Gitaxian Probe. With the best wincons I can prescribe, you'll also want Gush and Night's Whisper.
Card total: 93
Card total: 96.
Or we can not call it competitive. Usually a cheaper option.
4 weeks ago
Permafrost Orb of Dreams is a huge play maker in this deck with Amulet of Vigor effectively slowing the game to where i gain massive advantages. Sidisi was originally in my list of cards to add to this deck and may still get into the deck. I may remove Thoughtseize as it has done its job in the prototype of this deck, and can now be removed. Amulet/Orb is something that helps me out with the placing of a Golgari Rot Farm in the deck (to be announced). This weekend I'll be implementing a new card or two into the deck, mainly from my sideboard into mainboard. The Abyss and Nether Void make there way into the deck now. Along with this, I'm throwing in Torment of Hailfire as a win condition. Hymn to Tourach is extremely beneficial when playing the political game (like my LGS does) but I definitely see where it can come out. Especially if I want to play cards like Mind Twist some time in the future. Mind Shatter will be hitting this decks mainboard tonight as well to cripple big threat decks.Garruk Wildspeaker or Nissa, Worldwaker? I think Nissa wins a place in this deck over Garruk as she can fetch the basics (If i dont already have all my basics in play) I find that I should be adding an effect like Seedborn Muse into the deck as well to gain advantage over the board in stacking.I did consider Epic Struggle for this deck, however felt it would be too slow. With the mana acceleration, I also considered Omnath, Locus of Mana as a hard beater but determined that he was more of a situational card that does nothing for the mana that he hordes. It's been determined that this kind of deck does not like to leave mana open during players turns.
Arbor Elf why remove Arbor? It untaps a forest that may be needed to get pieces. It actually helped me win a game last night. lol (I was land screwed)
4 weeks ago
MartialArt These are some changes I would make if I was playing this deck in A general competitive meta, with no budget restrictions. Now I have no idea what your meta is but my goal was to lower your mana curve, and cut some of the less optimal cards. Saying that I have left some because I don't think that you would take them out anyways.
Mana Rocks: First I would take out Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. These cards are slow at three, four, and five mana you want to be doing impactful things, such as Smokestack or Nether Void. So the mana I think you should add is cheap and reliable. Mana Vault, Grim Monolith are great adds for cheap mana positive rocks. Land Tax is slow but powerful making sure you don't miss A land drop if you aren't going first and allows for A easier recovery after A mass land destruction.
Land Destruction: Desolation Angel, and Devastation are both seven mana mass land destruction spells, which by the time you get to them the game could be over, even after A stax piece. Ravages of War is already on your maybe list but I say it is considerably better than both these cards. If you feel like you need another Mass land destruction spell Impending Disaster is the next best one I feel, though it is still far weaker. Seven lands is not hard to have in A four player game between all players, and it could sometimes just be A sudo Standstill for land drops.
Tutors: Having A large number of tutors in the game is needed in cedh to make your deck consistent. Saying that I feel you should add the following tutors Imperial Seal, Gamble, and Grim Tutor. I know gamble has A drawback of discarding A card, but the potential upside is too good to not run. Now I said having tutors is needed, but have expensive tutors slows down the deck so with this I say Diabolic Tutor needs to come out. Four mana is asking for A lot when only searching for something needed. Would you pay eight for A smokestacks?
Other cuts: At this point I have suggested one more card, than I have said to take out. Saying that I see some easy cuts. Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison, and Peacekeeper all cards that stop combat, but Cedh almost no decks use combat to win. So I find these are easy cuts to make. Reveillark is A good card, but without A loop it is just slow as it doesn't even get back sun titan, and I would say no one creature is that important for you to play this card. I'm just letting you know how hard it was for me to leave your six drops alone, I'm just saying. I know why they are in there, it just feels bad seeing them. I feel like you have enough token generation for smokestacks to get crazy so I recommend getting rid of Elspeth, Knight-Errant as A four mana make A 1/1 doesn't do enough. Scrap Mastery may sometimes not do enough, I'm not sure how it has worked out for you, so I can't say much, but I don't think I'm A fan.
Other adds: Null Rod, and Stony Silence are just good mana rock hate. These hurt you too, but you know when they are coming so you get to play around them. Aura of Silence Just A good taxing effect that could be used as removal for trouble artifacts/ enchantments. Karmic Justice is basically A mini Martyr's Bond that doesn't work with smokestacks, could be worth trying.
Mana Base Upgrade: You had to know this was coming. I would add Badlands, Plateau, and Scrubland cutting the pain lands Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos, and Sulfurous Springs. I feel like this is an obvious change and I don't have to explain myself here. If you decide to add these in I recommend adding fetches, you have nine to choose from, but I'm only going to say seven, adding more would lower your basic count to a number I'm not comfortable with. I would take out Clifftop Retreat, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Dust Bowl, Ghost Quarter, and two Plains for Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, and Arid Mesa. I left out the fetches that only got red in your deck. I did this because of red being the least important color to grab, and your blood moon effects makes your mountain count way higher than it looks. For the lands I took out I'm only going to explain the two land hate lands. I find that Dust Bowl is really slow and not worth the time it takes to set that up. As for Ghost Quarter getting rid of a trouble land is fine, but giving your opponent a land is trouble, i would say it's even worse that its a basic, making your blood moon lack weaker.
Personal preference: This is what you prefer Vandalblast vs. Shattering Spree vs. By Force. Read the Bones vs. Painful Truths
4 weeks ago
Nether Void is a good card for stax deck, if you can abuse it. I never thought about it as an option with glissa as she can't get around it. It's a mana leak for all spells including mine, and i can't stop that. Saying that, i feel it's obvious how i feel about that card in here.
Death Cloud is something i could see myself putting in here, but only after pox. So while this card won't make the cut anytime soon, pox might. Currently pox is a soft counter to Ad Nauseam, which i run. So it would take some time to see which has more benefits for me. Maybe i can jam them both in and not get punished, but it will take some testing.