Nether Void

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Format Legality
Noble Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Masters Edition III (ME3) Rare
Legends (LEG) Rare

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Nether Void

World Enchantment

Whenever a player casts a spell, counter it unless its controller pays .

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Nether Void Discussion

deadmanwaltzing on The Consul Will See You Now

1 month ago

Cards to add/consider:

Disenchant
Chains of Mephistopheles
Nether Void
Faerie Macabre
Static Orb
Rest in Peace / Helm of Obedience & Accompanying package (maybe)
Kismet
Relic of Progenitus
Wrath of God // Damnation

Need to: Re-evaluate deck's win conditions.
Deck should look to play out like Keranos Blue Moon - examine Mindcrank combo w/ Bloodchief Ascension (?) Look for good blue/green hate too.

goblinguiderevealpls on Razin' minds, takin' names (competitive primer)

1 month ago

yes, crawler was in the infant stages of this list along with other slow creatures like Jace's Archivist

nekusar definitely does have a bounty on his head a majority of the time, which is why I run a decent amount of countermagic and control/permission

like most "efficient" edh decks, this deck does not require the use of its commander to win effectively, and he is often used as a blocker, or I simply cast him when my opponents are tapped out or when i have a counterspell in hand and can protect him enough to start wheeling, but he certainly does get answered more than the other cards in the deck, but i dont need to cast him to be able to kill opponents with mill or damage from cards like Chains of Mephistopheles, Underworld Dreams or Liliana's Caress

generally, the most trouble i have had is from selesyna or creature combo decks, since I run a very limited amount of potential blockers, and being spell-central renders me weak to token swarm, which is the main reason I run mainly utility creatures and a lot of creature answers like Evacuation, Damnation, Toxic Deluge, Cryptic Command or Rakdos Charm, and in the earlier stages i ran things such as Propaganda and Crawlspace, and Torpor Orb

secondly, I've found that Aura Shards or Bane of Progress effects really gimp the deck, since outside of nekusar himself a lot of my wheel value comes from artifacts and enchantments such as Dream Halls, Waste Not, Underworld Dreams, Teferi's Puzzle Box, or mana rocks, also hoser cards such as Spirit of the Labyrinth can stop wheels, and since grixis lacks any real form of enchantment removal, I will have to rely only on countermagic or bounce to answer aura shards or the like

other than hatebears, token swarm and stax effects that gimp spell decks such as Nether Void being my main weakness, I also find that wheeling a lot enables the HELL out of flashback or reanimator decks like Kess, Dissident Mage, Sedris, the Traitor King, or Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, due to wheels filling up graveyards relatively fast.

to combat this, i run graveyard hate such as Rakdos Charm and Bojuka Bog, and previously,Leyline of the Void. the reason being that when i wheel multiple times and they have a large graveyard with threats like Golgari Grave-Troll and Past in Flames, i can then exile those threats, which then allows me to cast Timetwister for maximum advantage as I shuffle away 50 cards while they get zero

essentially the main weaknesses of a wheel spell deck would be decks that take advantage of wheel effects or my lack of blocks, so creature heavy, reanimator, or stax decks usually give me trouble with combat damage, graveyard recursion, and combo denial respectively.

hope that was informative enough!

Lhurgyof on Sidisi's Rage Quit Stax. v 4.3

1 month ago

Any thoughts on Nether Void? It works well in my stax deck.

+1

FireStorm4056 on [PRIMER] Death & Staxes: Competitive Meren EDH

2 months ago

Shadow12721

In full disclosure I've never played against that list or one quite like it - but typically the crux of Meren's power is how you choose to mulligan and which lines of play you seek out in your first few turns. In other words, a generic "good hand" and luck of the draw will often not serve you well, as opposed to thinking very critically about your opponents' weaknesses and proactively seeking out the best ways to address their individual strategies.

For example, some games against certain lists I ignore all else and look for Null Rod ASAP, because the disproportionate advantage it provides vs. artifact combo / ramp (i.e. Rashmi, Eternities Crafter combo) is simply so strong that every other line of play is just not worth it in comparison. On the other hand, against something like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard it is usually crucial to find removal or a boardwipe as soon as possible. So, your opening hand / mulligans / early tutors should reflect the line of play you believe is most likely to win you the game (again, a generic "good" hand will usually be the incorrect choice - it needs to be "good" for the specific matchup)

Initial impressions looking at the Ramos list:

  • Our average CMC is far lower, our 0 and 1 drop count is far higher, and we run many more mana dorks than the opponent. Thus, the problem is probably not speed - we should accelerate much harder out of turns 1-3 than Ramos by virtue of this alone. Therefore, the problem must lie with the line of play after the opening turns (as opposed to playing against some combo lists, where matching speed with speed is the crux of the issue)
  • Ramos' average CMC is high and creature count is relatively low. Its nonland mana source count is also relatively low. This tells me that Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Nether Void, and Thorn of Amethyst are high-value early game plays. These drops are absolutely priority number one against high-CMC decks as they single-handedly destroy their tempo.
  • Being 5 colors and lacking much artifact and creature mana production, a fast Contamination lock would be very problematic for that pilot and may possibly simply win us the game. If you have Meren out and a tutor up, it's probably safe to just go for this right away, given the lack of spot removal in Ramos.
  • Ramos packs a lot of planeswalkers and fairly little creature removal. Planeswalkers tend to be over-costed if you can activate them only once... this, combined with the lack of creature removal means we are probably safe to swarm out with creatures and simply attack / destroy them ASAP. Therefore, we can overextend a bit in order to keep the opponent's board presence from blowing up too much. Assuming we have tax effects in play as well, it should be possible to more than keep up with the opponent's rate of dropping threats.
  • Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is not something I would spend deck slots to address. Losing a few cards off the top doesn't affect our board, doesn't limit our draws, etc. and your opponent should only get 1-2 activations off before this dies. The likelihood it exiles exactly the right silver bullet at exactly the right time is small enough that I'm not worried about it from game to game - especially if you are playing multiplayer.
  • Ramos seems to play high-value enchantments to accelerate hard and enable high-value plays. Therefore, flexible spot removal or creatures with "destroy-enchantment" effects are going to have increased value here. Tax effects still take preference in the early turns, since locking your opponent out BEFORE he drops enchantments is prefereable. But, given there are 10 high-value enchantments in the list, it's worthwhile to pack at least one answer to enchantments (using Survival of the Fittest, Worldly Tutor, etc).
  • On the other hand, creature removal is OK but probably not the right play to seek out ASAP as many of Ramos' creatures have ETB effects or haste so we can't address them quickly enough - and it doesn't slow down their gameplan enough. That said, as you reach the mid-game a Grave Pact with instant-speed sac outlets gives you great power to address Ramos as he hits the battlefield (but, at this point you should already be ahead).

In summary, we are much faster than this list and it at least appears to me that bogging him down in the opening turns of the game would give us plenty of time to setup a lock or establish fantastic board advantage.

Was this a 1v1 game or multiplayer? If multiplayer, did the rest of the table not use any removal?

goblinguiderevealpls on FLAVA FLAAAAAVES' clock collection

2 months ago

Yes they can, you are correct

However you can completely ignore, or at least bypass this this via self-counter engines like Blood Funnel, and if I had the money, mishra's signature card Nether Void

I used to run many more of these when he was the stax variant such as Nullstone Gargoyle, Planar Chaos, Ice Cave and Guile, but the storm variant cares more about storm count than artifacts actually resolving

Shadowz6677 on Nath stax

2 months ago

For a first draft this is a really nice deck. There are cards to obviously take out for others. The meta that I am in, involves a very heavy stream of stax cards. Trinisphere Static Orb Nether Void are all crucial pieces to make the stack work to you. The deck is designed specifically to decimate combo hunters. Break the combo player and make them defeat you on your terms.

Thats what I can say. Playing this deck enough, I've learned quite a bit about how it goes and what you need to make it successful. Great start though!

Podma101 on Proxies: How to handle them ...

2 months ago

I actually find (from my personal experience) that more competitive players and games have no proxies, and will buy duplicates of every card as needed, or use a system that allows them to quickly sleeve up the cards that are shared between decks.

For actual tournament play or sanctioned events, you cannot have proxies of any kind, so take that into consideration.

For yourself personally, if you own the card, most people in a more casual setting will allow it, though depending on the card they may ask for proof. If you don't own it, they might say no, especially of its something ridiculous like Nether Void.

No matter what, always run it by the people your playing with if it isn't a dedicated group that already knows and accepts it

Penthoplayer on Weeb Lethality

2 months ago

Competitive

Alright, we can work with that. However, looking through the list, you'll need a lot of changes.

Let's start with the mana base.

I find most of your land choices questionable at best. I like that you started on a few of your shocks, so you're heading in the right direction there. The only other lands you're running I'd keep are Mana Confluence, Command Tower, City of Brass, and the 1x of each basic. You'll want to add the original duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, Tropical Island, Scrubland, Savannah, and Bayou) and all 10 fetchlands. This will bring us to 29 lands, leaving up to 3 slots for meta decision utility lands. I wouldn't go above 32 total, though. I also personally use Maze of Ith in every deck, but that's preference. I won't be counting those three slots in my running card total.

Next is your ramp. I like that you have Sol Ring and Birds of Paradise, but we can do more. You already have Simic Signet, but I suggest getting all the others, especially the blue ones (Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Golgari Signet, Orzhov Signet, Selesnya Signet). We can also run Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, and Talisman of Unity. Then, we start looking at fleshing out your mana dorks. Deathrite Shaman, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, and Elves of Deep Shadow should all go in. Finally, Carpet of Flowers to get ahead of other blue players.

On to the tutors.

The only tutor you have I like is Enlightened Tutor. I'd suggest Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor, and Merchant Scroll to flesh out your tutor package.

For card advantage:

I like you have Necropotence, Eternal Witnesses, and Rhystic Study, but we can do more. We can add Mystic Remora, Ad Nauseam, Regrowth, Snapcaster Mage, Windfall, Timetwister, and Noxious Revival.

Current card count: 69.

Control:

This is where it gets interesting. I like Cyclonic Rift, Swords to Plowshares, and Winter Orb, but, as before, we can add to those. Abrupt Decay, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Flusterstorm, Counterspell, Mental Misstep, Silence, Negate, Dispel, and Angel's Grace can all find a home here. We can also run Smokestack, tanglewire, Nether Void, The Abyss, Arcane Laboratory, and Notion Thief.

Card total: 87.

Cantrips:

I don't see any in your list, so this is a new category. We'll start with the basics. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Gitaxian Probe. With the best wincons I can prescribe, you'll also want Gush and Night's Whisper.

Card total: 93

So, our wincon. How does Doomsday, Laboratory Maniac, and Aetherflux Reservoir sound? It'll take some practice, but those are the best options available.

Card total: 96.

3 slots left, able to be flex slots, but I'd rather see if I can fill them. Sensei's Divining Top, Dark Confidant, and Lotus Petal are all good options here.

Or we can not call it competitive. Usually a cheaper option.

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