Nether Void

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Noble Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Masters Edition III (ME3) Rare
Legends (LEG) Rare

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Nether Void

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Nether Void Discussion

FireStorm4056 on [PRIMER] Death & Staxes: Competitive Meren EDH

12 hours ago

Shadow12721

In full disclosure I've never played against that list or one quite like it - but typically the crux of Meren's power is how you choose to mulligan and which lines of play you seek out in your first few turns. In other words, a generic "good hand" and luck of the draw will often not serve you well, as opposed to thinking very critically about your opponents' weaknesses and proactively seeking out the best ways to address their individual strategies.

For example, some games against certain lists I ignore all else and look for Null Rod ASAP, because the disproportionate advantage it provides vs. artifact combo / ramp (i.e. Rashmi, Eternities Crafter combo) is simply so strong that every other line of play is just not worth it in comparison. On the other hand, against something like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard it is usually crucial to find removal or a boardwipe as soon as possible. So, your opening hand / mulligans / early tutors should reflect the line of play you believe is most likely to win you the game (again, a generic "good" hand will usually be the incorrect choice - it needs to be "good" for the specific matchup)

Initial impressions looking at the Ramos list:

  • Our average CMC is far lower, our 0 and 1 drop count is far higher, and we run many more mana dorks than the opponent. Thus, the problem is probably not speed - we should accelerate much harder out of turns 1-3 than Ramos by virtue of this alone. Therefore, the problem must lie with the line of play after the opening turns (as opposed to playing against some combo lists, where matching speed with speed is the crux of the issue)
  • Ramos' average CMC is high and creature count is relatively low. Its nonland mana source count is also relatively low. This tells me that Winter Orb, Tangle Wire, Nether Void, and Thorn of Amethyst are high-value early game plays. These drops are absolutely priority number one against high-CMC decks as they single-handedly destroy their tempo.
  • Being 5 colors and lacking much artifact and creature mana production, a fast Contamination lock would be very problematic for that pilot and may possibly simply win us the game. If you have Meren out and a tutor up, it's probably safe to just go for this right away, given the lack of spot removal in Ramos.
  • Ramos packs a lot of planeswalkers and fairly little creature removal. Planeswalkers tend to be over-costed if you can activate them only once... this, combined with the lack of creature removal means we are probably safe to swarm out with creatures and simply attack / destroy them ASAP. Therefore, we can overextend a bit in order to keep the opponent's board presence from blowing up too much. Assuming we have tax effects in play as well, it should be possible to more than keep up with the opponent's rate of dropping threats.
  • Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is not something I would spend deck slots to address. Losing a few cards off the top doesn't affect our board, doesn't limit our draws, etc. and your opponent should only get 1-2 activations off before this dies. The likelihood it exiles exactly the right silver bullet at exactly the right time is small enough that I'm not worried about it from game to game - especially if you are playing multiplayer.
  • Ramos seems to play high-value enchantments to accelerate hard and enable high-value plays. Therefore, flexible spot removal or creatures with "destroy-enchantment" effects are going to have increased value here. Tax effects still take preference in the early turns, since locking your opponent out BEFORE he drops enchantments is prefereable. But, given there are 10 high-value enchantments in the list, it's worthwhile to pack at least one answer to enchantments (using Survival of the Fittest, Worldly Tutor, etc).
  • On the other hand, creature removal is OK but probably not the right play to seek out ASAP as many of Ramos' creatures have ETB effects or haste so we can't address them quickly enough - and it doesn't slow down their gameplan enough. That said, as you reach the mid-game a Grave Pact with instant-speed sac outlets gives you great power to address Ramos as he hits the battlefield (but, at this point you should already be ahead).

In summary, we are much faster than this list and it at least appears to me that bogging him down in the opening turns of the game would give us plenty of time to setup a lock or establish fantastic board advantage.

Was this a 1v1 game or multiplayer? If multiplayer, did the rest of the table not use any removal?

goblinguiderevealpls on FLAVA FLAAAAAVES' clock collection

1 week ago

Yes they can, you are correct

However you can completely ignore, or at least bypass this this via self-counter engines like Blood Funnel, and if I had the money, mishra's signature card Nether Void

I used to run many more of these when he was the stax variant such as Nullstone Gargoyle, Planar Chaos, Ice Cave and Guile, but the storm variant cares more about storm count than artifacts actually resolving

Shadowz6677 on Nath stax

1 week ago

For a first draft this is a really nice deck. There are cards to obviously take out for others. The meta that I am in, involves a very heavy stream of stax cards. Trinisphere Static Orb Nether Void are all crucial pieces to make the stack work to you. The deck is designed specifically to decimate combo hunters. Break the combo player and make them defeat you on your terms.

Thats what I can say. Playing this deck enough, I've learned quite a bit about how it goes and what you need to make it successful. Great start though!

Podma101 on Proxies: How to handle them ...

3 weeks ago

I actually find (from my personal experience) that more competitive players and games have no proxies, and will buy duplicates of every card as needed, or use a system that allows them to quickly sleeve up the cards that are shared between decks.

For actual tournament play or sanctioned events, you cannot have proxies of any kind, so take that into consideration.

For yourself personally, if you own the card, most people in a more casual setting will allow it, though depending on the card they may ask for proof. If you don't own it, they might say no, especially of its something ridiculous like Nether Void.

No matter what, always run it by the people your playing with if it isn't a dedicated group that already knows and accepts it

Penthoplayer on Weeb Lethality

3 weeks ago

Competitive

Alright, we can work with that. However, looking through the list, you'll need a lot of changes.

Let's start with the mana base.

I find most of your land choices questionable at best. I like that you started on a few of your shocks, so you're heading in the right direction there. The only other lands you're running I'd keep are Mana Confluence, Command Tower, City of Brass, and the 1x of each basic. You'll want to add the original duals (Tundra, Underground Sea, Tropical Island, Scrubland, Savannah, and Bayou) and all 10 fetchlands. This will bring us to 29 lands, leaving up to 3 slots for meta decision utility lands. I wouldn't go above 32 total, though. I also personally use Maze of Ith in every deck, but that's preference. I won't be counting those three slots in my running card total.

Next is your ramp. I like that you have Sol Ring and Birds of Paradise, but we can do more. You already have Simic Signet, but I suggest getting all the others, especially the blue ones (Dimir Signet, Azorius Signet, Golgari Signet, Orzhov Signet, Selesnya Signet). We can also run Mana Crypt, Mox Opal, Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Mana Vault, Talisman of Dominance, Talisman of Progress, and Talisman of Unity. Then, we start looking at fleshing out your mana dorks. Deathrite Shaman, Llanowar Elves, Fyndhorn Elves, Arbor Elf, Elvish Mystic, and Elves of Deep Shadow should all go in. Finally, Carpet of Flowers to get ahead of other blue players.

On to the tutors.

The only tutor you have I like is Enlightened Tutor. I'd suggest Vampiric Tutor, Demonic Tutor, Mystical Tutor, and Merchant Scroll to flesh out your tutor package.

For card advantage:

I like you have Necropotence, Eternal Witnesses, and Rhystic Study, but we can do more. We can add Mystic Remora, Ad Nauseam, Regrowth, Snapcaster Mage, Windfall, Timetwister, and Noxious Revival.

Current card count: 69.

Control:

This is where it gets interesting. I like Cyclonic Rift, Swords to Plowshares, and Winter Orb, but, as before, we can add to those. Abrupt Decay, Mana Drain, Force of Will, Flusterstorm, Counterspell, Mental Misstep, Silence, Negate, Dispel, and Angel's Grace can all find a home here. We can also run Smokestack, tanglewire, Nether Void, The Abyss, Arcane Laboratory, and Notion Thief.

Card total: 87.

Cantrips:

I don't see any in your list, so this is a new category. We'll start with the basics. Brainstorm, Ponder, Preordain, and Gitaxian Probe. With the best wincons I can prescribe, you'll also want Gush and Night's Whisper.

Card total: 93

So, our wincon. How does Doomsday, Laboratory Maniac, and Aetherflux Reservoir sound? It'll take some practice, but those are the best options available.

Card total: 96.

3 slots left, able to be flex slots, but I'd rather see if I can fill them. Sensei's Divining Top, Dark Confidant, and Lotus Petal are all good options here.

Or we can not call it competitive. Usually a cheaper option.

Shadowz6677 on Nath's Palace of Stax [cEDH]

4 weeks ago

Permafrost Orb of Dreams is a huge play maker in this deck with Amulet of Vigor effectively slowing the game to where i gain massive advantages. Sidisi was originally in my list of cards to add to this deck and may still get into the deck. I may remove Thoughtseize as it has done its job in the prototype of this deck, and can now be removed. Amulet/Orb is something that helps me out with the placing of a Golgari Rot Farm in the deck (to be announced). This weekend I'll be implementing a new card or two into the deck, mainly from my sideboard into mainboard. The Abyss and Nether Void make there way into the deck now. Along with this, I'm throwing in Torment of Hailfire as a win condition. Hymn to Tourach is extremely beneficial when playing the political game (like my LGS does) but I definitely see where it can come out. Especially if I want to play cards like Mind Twist some time in the future. Mind Shatter will be hitting this decks mainboard tonight as well to cripple big threat decks.Garruk Wildspeaker or Nissa, Worldwaker? I think Nissa wins a place in this deck over Garruk as she can fetch the basics (If i dont already have all my basics in play) I find that I should be adding an effect like Seedborn Muse into the deck as well to gain advantage over the board in stacking.I did consider Epic Struggle for this deck, however felt it would be too slow. With the mana acceleration, I also considered Omnath, Locus of Mana as a hard beater but determined that he was more of a situational card that does nothing for the mana that he hordes. It's been determined that this kind of deck does not like to leave mana open during players turns.
Arbor Elf why remove Arbor? It untaps a forest that may be needed to get pieces. It actually helped me win a game last night. lol (I was land screwed)

MillionLittleE on Marchesa Stax - bow before me

4 weeks ago

MartialArt These are some changes I would make if I was playing this deck in A general competitive meta, with no budget restrictions. Now I have no idea what your meta is but my goal was to lower your mana curve, and cut some of the less optimal cards. Saying that I have left some because I don't think that you would take them out anyways.

Mana Rocks: First I would take out Thran Dynamo, Hedron Archive, Chromatic Lantern, and Gilded Lotus. These cards are slow at three, four, and five mana you want to be doing impactful things, such as Smokestack or Nether Void. So the mana I think you should add is cheap and reliable. Mana Vault, Grim Monolith are great adds for cheap mana positive rocks. Land Tax is slow but powerful making sure you don't miss A land drop if you aren't going first and allows for A easier recovery after A mass land destruction.

Land Destruction: Desolation Angel, and Devastation are both seven mana mass land destruction spells, which by the time you get to them the game could be over, even after A stax piece. Ravages of War is already on your maybe list but I say it is considerably better than both these cards. If you feel like you need another Mass land destruction spell Impending Disaster is the next best one I feel, though it is still far weaker. Seven lands is not hard to have in A four player game between all players, and it could sometimes just be A sudo Standstill for land drops.

Tutors: Having A large number of tutors in the game is needed in cedh to make your deck consistent. Saying that I feel you should add the following tutors Imperial Seal, Gamble, and Grim Tutor. I know gamble has A drawback of discarding A card, but the potential upside is too good to not run. Now I said having tutors is needed, but have expensive tutors slows down the deck so with this I say Diabolic Tutor needs to come out. Four mana is asking for A lot when only searching for something needed. Would you pay eight for A smokestacks?

Other cuts: At this point I have suggested one more card, than I have said to take out. Saying that I see some easy cuts. Crawlspace, Ghostly Prison, and Peacekeeper all cards that stop combat, but Cedh almost no decks use combat to win. So I find these are easy cuts to make. Reveillark is A good card, but without A loop it is just slow as it doesn't even get back sun titan, and I would say no one creature is that important for you to play this card. I'm just letting you know how hard it was for me to leave your six drops alone, I'm just saying. I know why they are in there, it just feels bad seeing them. I feel like you have enough token generation for smokestacks to get crazy so I recommend getting rid of Elspeth, Knight-Errant as A four mana make A 1/1 doesn't do enough. Scrap Mastery may sometimes not do enough, I'm not sure how it has worked out for you, so I can't say much, but I don't think I'm A fan.

Other adds: Null Rod, and Stony Silence are just good mana rock hate. These hurt you too, but you know when they are coming so you get to play around them. Aura of Silence Just A good taxing effect that could be used as removal for trouble artifacts/ enchantments. Karmic Justice is basically A mini Martyr's Bond that doesn't work with smokestacks, could be worth trying.

Mana Base Upgrade: You had to know this was coming. I would add Badlands, Plateau, and Scrubland cutting the pain lands Battlefield Forge, Caves of Koilos, and Sulfurous Springs. I feel like this is an obvious change and I don't have to explain myself here. If you decide to add these in I recommend adding fetches, you have nine to choose from, but I'm only going to say seven, adding more would lower your basic count to a number I'm not comfortable with. I would take out Clifftop Retreat, Dragonskull Summit, Isolated Chapel, Dust Bowl, Ghost Quarter, and two Plains for Polluted Delta, Bloodstained Mire, Windswept Heath, Flooded Strand, Marsh Flats, Verdant Catacombs, and Arid Mesa. I left out the fetches that only got red in your deck. I did this because of red being the least important color to grab, and your blood moon effects makes your mountain count way higher than it looks. For the lands I took out I'm only going to explain the two land hate lands. I find that Dust Bowl is really slow and not worth the time it takes to set that up. As for Ghost Quarter getting rid of a trouble land is fine, but giving your opponent a land is trouble, i would say it's even worse that its a basic, making your blood moon lack weaker.

Personal preference: This is what you prefer Vandalblast vs. Shattering Spree vs. By Force. Read the Bones vs. Painful Truths

MillionLittleE on Glissa Won't Let you Do Anything

4 weeks ago

MartialArt
Nether Void is a good card for stax deck, if you can abuse it. I never thought about it as an option with glissa as she can't get around it. It's a mana leak for all spells including mine, and i can't stop that. Saying that, i feel it's obvious how i feel about that card in here.

Death Cloud is something i could see myself putting in here, but only after pox. So while this card won't make the cut anytime soon, pox might. Currently pox is a soft counter to Ad Nauseam, which i run. So it would take some time to see which has more benefits for me. Maybe i can jam them both in and not get punished, but it will take some testing.

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