The Abyss

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Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Masters Edition III (ME3) Rare
Legends (LEG) Rare

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The Abyss

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At the beginning of each player's upkeep, destroy target nonartifact creature that player controls of his or her choice. It can't be regenerated.

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The Abyss Discussion

fierce3302 on meren

2 weeks ago

Why did you choose The Abyss over Smokestack?

PartyJ on Nath of the STAX-Leaf | cEDH | Primer

1 month ago

Hey Shadowz6677, thanks for the comment. I have been out of the country for quite some time and was unable to keep track of this site in a decent way.

I have been looking at your deck too and I must say that it looks very interesting. We both strive for the same goal, but using a slightly different approach to get there. So I enjoy looking at your choices in the future to improve my choices. I would really enjoy getting my hands on a The Abyss, but it is so expensive :s

i saw you chose to add Dark Tutelage, which is a great card. It bypasses stax effect that denies us carddraw, something that I prefer to be doing alot ;-)

I have been struggling with Mana Web in the past. Is it really that good to add it? i had mixed results, since it needs the tomb to make it really work. Alone its pretty much a dead card in my meta filled with multicolored decks.

How often did you use Sadistic Sacrament with the kicker? Isn't the cmc (with the kicker) too high to justify a spot in your deck?

Is the artifact hate abundant in your meta to play Glissa, the Traitor?

Best Stax,

PJ

emiliork on Fortress of the Monarch

1 month ago

I'm curious why you don't have in Necropotence and The Abyss?

FireStorm4056 on [PRIMER] Death & Staxes: Competitive Meren EDH

2 months ago

spectrevr4

Not to worry! There are a lot of ways to speed things up. Looking at your list, here are a few things that I recommend:

  1. 1-drop mana dorks. Enough to be consistent with them in the early game. This is the surest way to speed up your clock and put you ahead of the table. Note that cards like Farhaven Elf are repeatable... but how often do you find yourself actually doing so? In my experience the tempo off a T1 Llanowar Elves is so much better than potentially getting a second land off Farhaven Elf. Most of the 1-drop dorks are quite cheap ($$), with Birds of Paradise topping things out at $4-ish. These will not only provide you with acceleration, but also can potentially replace higher-costed slots currently in your decklist (such as Into the Wilds, which has good long-term potential, but often you've already lost by that time). Even better, on later turns, dorks are cheap enough that you can still play them AND do something else useful - whereas if you play a Farhaven Elf, chances are that's all you're doing for the turn.
  2. Carefully evaluate engines that don't give you immediate return on investment. Black Market has big payoff potential but it doesn't do anything the turn it hits... there might be some other ways to build the deck that give you similar ramp but play out much quicker. Be creative, as it doesn't need to be a direct replacement. For example, Earthcraft and Cryptolith Rite are alternatives you might consider. They each cost 3 cmc less (so can be played earlier and don't take up a full mid-game turn) and make all your creatures IMMEDIATELY tap for mana (so no buildup required). With Meren + one non-dork on the board an Earthcraft is effectively free since they can immediately tap to generate two more mana. Again, the payout potential might not be as high as Black Market, but they hit a lot faster and (initially) harder.
  3. Don't rely on creatures for all of your removal. In my experience, Acidic Slime was almost always just a Nature's Claim for 5x the price... and it's a dead card for quite a long time due to its high cost. You should definitely still pack creatures with removal on them, but it's worth considering the best noncreature removal too (Abrupt Decay, etc). This is especially important when you are facing combo decks - often a single well-placed removal spell throws a wrench in all of their plans.
  4. How do the combo decks in your group win? Most of the mill combos I'm aware of rely heavily on artifacts, not only for the combo, but for ramping and card advantage. These types of combo decks are really, really weak to silver bullets like Null Rod, Damping Matrix, Pithing Needle, and Phyrexian Revoker. Paired with a few tutors you can land them reliably and often save the game without even having to think about much else. You already run some of the best tutors too so no real issues there! If decks are consistently winning on T3-4, then in most cases their plan is fragile to targeted removal or silver bullets. If you are running both then you will have a lot more ways to deal with these issues!
  5. Answering tron is tough if you restrict yourself to engine-based creature removal. My list has actually shifted away from most of the popular "kill" engines - note that I don't have The Abyss, Magus of the Abyss, Dictate of Erebos, etc. For the most part I pack a lot of targeted removal and Fleshbag Marauder effects to solve these problems... For example, I find the efficiency of a one-time Dismember is usually far better than hassling around with getting an Attrition engine setup - you might try a similar approach! My best reasoning is the following - you'll already have enough to do with creatures and Meren (it's not like you're lacking targets), so playing spell-based removal means you can do more per turn rather than have to decide on a single choice for your Meren trigger.
  6. Since we're playing stax/control, you have to take a long, hard look at every card that doesn't provide a strong boardstate advantage (card advantage, tempo, resource generation, etc) or hinder our opponents somehow. Verdurous Gearhulk stands out to me as something that doesn't really fit a "niche" - it is "good" but doesn't really play towards any plan of ours. So I question whether it is worth including. Compare him to something like Creakwood Liege, who can offer a similar boost to P/T on the board, but costs less and can generate a strong 3/3 critter each turn (to be used for combat, finisher, or sacrifice fodder).
  7. I'm not a huge fan of Death Cloud personally, it's just so expensive a price to pay for a symmetric effect. Pox and Smallpox are already in your list and very cost-effective - Death Cloud has always seemed to me like it cost just too much for what it offers.
  8. Clearly you are running Bitter Ordeal for a reason, and I would guess it's to answer the combos you've been facing :) I tend to prefer silver bullets like Null Rod (since they are widely useful regardless of opponent)... but if exiling combo pieces is the goal, might I suggest Sadistic Sacrament instead (sorry, card tags aren't working on this one for some reason)? It may not be the most efficient spell... but it is wicked fun to land against a combo player at the right time and a little more consistent than Bitter Ordeal :)

jeannieboef

This is something I plan to address, but haven't had the time to write up quite yet. Some of the answers you're looking for are in the replies I've made in the comments - I will add a section like this soon enough.

Daedalus19876 on The Deckwatch [Home Base]

3 months ago

Zimmers_0: The new counterspell is much like Plasm Capture. Or, you know, Mana Drain, which is getting reprinted in Iconic Masters haha.

Trove of Temptation is weird. I kinda want to run it with No Mercy to turn it into a bad The Abyss...

FireStorm4056 on [PRIMER] Death & Staxes: Competitive Meren EDH

3 months ago

goblinguiderevealpls

Long story short, that's because this deck is alarmingly different from the herd and that is the whole reason I've gone about writing this primer :)

Virtually every other Meren primer is some blend of midrange / goodstuff with most of what you've listed. I've tested and tried out all of those options and I just don't think this is the strongest way to build her... it results in a slow and slogging list without much potential to tango with fast combo. But, Meren can be so much faster and more potent if you are willing to step out of the comfort zone of "normal" and try this list out!

In regards to the recommendations - most of those options are just not fast enough. Turns 1-4 are where CEDH games are largely set, and focusing on accelerating hard, locking down those turns, and transitioning reliably out of them, is what I've found to win games - much more than goodstuff. The "standard" Meren staples (Bane of Progress, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Sidisi, Undead Vizier, etc) are strong in theory but they just don't land quickly enough and you simply lose a lot of games because of it. Even The Abyss falls into this category - it hurt me to unsleeve it, but at this point the CEDH format and the rest of this list outpaces it so much that it's just not worth the 4cmc and long payoff period. Regarding Damnation specifically, it isn't there because Yahenni's Expertise is often the more efficient choice vs. the lists I see (i.e. Yisan swarm, etc).

Typical Meren lists are lucky to break an average 3.5 CMC, or 3.0 if they're lucky. Compare this to fast combo in CEDH which often hovers right around 2.0 or even lower - it's no wonder conventional Meren lists have a hard time keeping up! With the list in this Primer we're hovering right around 2.2, which means we're actually fast enough to keep pace with combo but still have the card quality and value engines to give us great control in the mid to late game.

It looks different because it is, I encourage you to give it a shot!

CrazyDanPsycho on Glissa Won't Let you Do Anything

3 months ago

I apologize if I missed an explanation for this or not, but have you considered running things that can make non-artifacts into artifacts to protect them? Things like Mycosynth Lattice, Liquimetal Coating, and Silverskin Armor can be used to save Glissa from The Abyss and effects like it...I don't know if they would hold their weight in this deck or not, but Liquimetal Coating has saved a few vital creatures for me at critical points in past matches.

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