Mindlash Sliver

Mindlash Sliver

Creature — Sliver

All Slivers have "(1), Sacrifice this permanent: Each player discards a card."

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Mindlash Sliver Discussion

TheoryCrafter on Slivers, the Boundless

9 months ago

For mana curve you may want to consider enchantments that have lands produce more than 1 mana at a time. This would include, but not be limited to, Fertile Ground , Trace of Abundance and Utopia Sprawl . You won't have to wait for time counters to all disappear before deploying them to the battlefield. The mana base will also be more flexible.

Some of your cards can also use an upgrade. I suggest replacing Mortify with Necrotic Sliver and Fury Sliver with Megantic Sliver until it can be replaced with Bonescythe Sliver .

Have you considered adding any combination Assault Formation , Doran, the Siege Tower (in case Harmonic Sliver backfires on you) and High Alert ? With them on the battlefield you can then sacrifice Dormant Sliver only if you have to. This will also allow for roughly the same combo with Morophon as you would with Realmwalker and Morophon.

If you choose to do this I would then recommend Teferi's Ageless Insight to boost your card draw.

If you choose not to I would suggest finding spots for cards such as Basal Sliver , and Mindlash Sliver .

Happy Hunting!

SinsOfTheMoon on Shapeshifter Tribal

1 year ago

I won a few tournaments with a similar deck, but it was more control oriented. I'm not posting my complete build online, but here's a few ideas :

Universal Automaton allows so many recursive interaction with Emry, Lurker of the Loch. I opted for other slivers, such as Mindlash Sliver, Necrotic Sliver and Harmonic Sliver. Scroll of Avacyn and Scroll of Griselbrand suddenly become very cost efficient and the 2nd one can create good locks with instant speed discard (hello Teferi, Time Raveler).

Even Lurrus in the main deck can be a good option if you play that way. And you know what? You could have a complete 15 card sideboard swap for both kind of plays, either aggro or control :)

Mortlocke on I will have just a sliver of that rainbow cake.

1 year ago

Always happy to see another Sliver deck i've yet to come across. It's a shame that your playgroup tends to single you out due to Sliver Hate™: "When you sit down at a table consider yourself playing Archenemy, and you don't get the silly cards to help. Usually everyone just blasts the slivers and then continues the game." Sliver decks tend to be politically weak - as in some playgroups they are perceived to be a threat starting at turn 0.

My advice to combat Sliver Hate™ is to have a turn 0 talk before every game, which is structured as "1. Hi i'm bringing

Now, moving on to your deck proper - interesting choice in choosing The First Sliver as your commander, but I think you can do so much better in terms of building around it. First things first - I know running ALL the keywords is cool, but unfortunately it hurts the consistency of your deck, putting you in more situations where you just don't have the interaction or options necessary to succeed. Yes, you need to cut some creatures. How many? I recommend between 15 and 13. Here are some suggestions (just to name a few):

  • Acidic Sliver: Sacing a creature let alone a Sliver to deal a paltry 2 damage is laughable at best. This sliver will not create any meaningful impact unless you have an infinite creature combo going. It's not worth the inclusion.
  • Constricting Sliver: The high CMC for an Oblivion Ring-esque effect for all Slivers you control is neat - the problem however is just getting to that 6 mana. You could be casting your commander, or at the very least multiple Slivers onto the battlefield. CMC for temporary removal at best isn't good enough.
  • Diffusion Sliver: This is commander. If someone wanted to pay an extra 2 to get rid of a troublesome sliver - they could do it without even thinking twice. This Sliver is designed to work in a format where you could have multiple copies on the field that would stack this effect. It doesn't work in a singleton format. Cut it.
  • Frenzy Sliver: Refer to my comments on Diffusion Sliver.
  • Fury Sliver: The CMC is far to high for the effect. Run Bonescythe Sliver instead.
  • Ghostflame Sliver: A cute effect. Only relevant if you are running Slivdrazi Monstrosity as your commander or you are running All Is Dust - or ideally both. Unfortunately you are running neither so this Sliver does literally nothing to advance your boardstate. Cut it.
  • Groundshaker Sliver: The CMC is too high for the effect. Run Horned Sliver.
  • Leeching Sliver: Refer to my comments on Diffusion Sliver.
  • Lymph Sliver: Refer to my comments on Diffusion Sliver.
  • Megantic Sliver: This Sliver is only relevant if you have a deck that focuses primarily on Combat Damage as a wincon. This one i'm honestly a bit iffy on cutting as it is a decent sliver. Just not a Great sliver in my opinion. For such a high CMC, i'd want a sliver to be downright game changing when it hits the board. This one just feels kinda..."Meh".
  • Mesmeric Sliver: Refer to my comments on Diffusion Sliver.
  • Poultice Sliver: This is honestly just a bad design. You don't need this Sliver. Get Sedge Sliver instead.
  • Mindlash Sliver: Paying mana to activate the ability, sacrificing a sliver, and you also have to discard a card as well? Terrible. Terrible design. I don't think this Sliver ever worked outside of it's draft format.
  • Screeching Sliver: Milling a player in EDH is hard. Milling a whole table? Even harder. Since mill isn't a primary theme within your deck - i'd recommend you'd cut this. It's just not contrubuting to anything.
  • Victual Sliver: This Sliver isn't really doing much. It just isn't. I'd run Hibernation Sliver instead. That sliver makes your Slivers nigh impossible to deal with as when your opponents cast targeted removal you can just go "return to hand" and play the creature on your next turn.
  • Vampiric Sliver: This is just a bad Sliver by design. I get that it's a reference to Sengir Vampire - which is cool and all. But by today's standards that mechanic is trash.
  • Virulent Sliver: Ah, the ol' Poison counter sliver. Refer to my comments on Diffusion Sliver.

dingusdingo on HOOOOOOONEY I'M HOOOOOOOOOME

2 years ago

drunksementhrowr We can discuss the deck here, or you're free to post on my profile!

The combo pieces have definitely seen some adjustments. The biggest change is the removal of Laboratory Maniac . Labman was high in CMC, and has no value outside the combo turn. Effectively, Labman is a complete dead draw if we aren't winning. This does mean that the self mill combo line has weakened, as Dread Return into labman on an empty library was a nice way to win. However, I think removing the labman line is correct. While it certainly can lead to wins, there are many parts during the line where you can be interrupted or have your win shut off. With our other lines, we can try another combo attempt later. The labman line is very all-in, once we have no cards in library we are either going to win the game or lose extremely soon. Labman also requires creatures in play, which we can't always guarantee, and a card that makes us draw, which we won't always have in hand.

To put it simply, it requires many deck slots, it does nothing besides win, its easy to shut off, and there is risk of a loss from doing it. I'm not saying labman is a bad combo by any means, but I think for this particular deck, adding consistency to the other combos is more important. Ad Nauseam acts as our most important win, and will let us assemble an infinite mana loop. After we have the loop, we use Lazav to copy and use Death Cultist or Bile Urchin to win. In the small amount of testing I've done on it, I like how it performs a bit better.

Some of the other cards offer support. Mindlash Sliver gives us a way to empty player hands, and protects our combo if we have infinite mana by discarding hand for everyone with Lazav. Martyr of Bones we can sacrifice for 0, which will let us mill out with infinite mana and Lazav, it also provides targeted grave hate which we can value time and again with Lazav. Martyr of Frost is a recurable effect with Lazav, which will help us with value in longer games. Unfortunately, we can't use the Martyr of Frost as a sac outlet to surveil with Lazav. Scheming Symmetry is another cheap tutor that does have a drawback, but the synergy with tutor to top to mill with surveil is strong.

The self mill lines have lost some extreme value without labman. However, we can choose to stop our self mill before we deck ourselves. Assembling the self mill combos is still strong, because we can Dread Return and copy with Lazav to recur an infinite mana combo. While our creature based combos require haste or an untap, the Orb + Alchemist combo can be used at the end step before our turn and we copy with Lazav so we can untap to combo, similar to how Ad Nauseam is played. Greaves + Cephalid has lost a lot of value though, and self milling somewhere between 30-80 cards it requires to assemble a combo in graveyard will not only make you a target but also telegraph the play. Considering removing the cephalid combo for deck space, but testing will reveal. I think the natural arc of this deck will bend towards replacing as many value cards with creatures as possible, and future printings will certainly draw our eyes.

I appreciate your interest in the deck and would love to hear about how it performs. Feel free to start an offshoot brew and replace some cards! I'm most curious to know how extra gas cards work in the build, and what you would replace for more gas. I hope this explanation helps a bit! After some more testing and brewing I will update the primer

Strangelove on Shirei EDH

2 years ago

+1!

Contamination does not spark joy :)

I'm not sure how spikey you want to be, but...

I found that once your table understands how dependent you are on Shirei, they kill it; and then you don't do much. I felt like the only playable version was with lots of discard: consistently trading 1:3.

Death triggers like Abyssal Gatekeeper are priority picks because they allow you to respond to your opponents' plays at flash speed instead of at end step.

Noxious Toad is the best version of this because it quickly locks your opponents out of the game by forcing them to play at flash speed or else discard as soon as they draw. (note: oracle says "each opponent")

There's also Mindlash Sliver or Burglar Rat , (M20) Yarok's Fenlurker , Rotting Rats , and Sadistic Hypnotist .

If you know how to abuse them, Carrion Feeder and Bloodflow Connoisseur are some of your best sac outlets (sacrificing themselves with their effects on the stack).

Cheers!

Sectiron on Sliver Storm

2 years ago

Hi Strangelove, +1 for your list too!

  • This has definitely been tuned for a more casual play group. My group usually avoids combos, particularly infinite ones. But those are some very interesting combinations that I hadn't really noticed/ turned my attention to; I would definitely experiment with them in a more competitive meta. It just depends on the play group and what they're ok with.

  • I love Firewake Sliver and I really didn't notice the haste ability. I was too focused on the pay (1) ability, which I was trying to avoid haha. This will probably be an include- I want as much haste as possible. Mindlash Sliver is great, though in my group, as I wrote in the guide, is not too fond of hand disruption. Though in any other situation, it would be a definitely added in. Your suggestion of sac slivers and Dormant Sliver and Harmonic Sliver is an interesting idea I would like to actually test. I was worried about doing this because of consistency issues in seeing both a sac outlet + one of these slivers, because on their own these slivers and sac slivers don't really serve the purpose of this deck. Though, I've definitely thought of using Darkheart Sliver to capitalise on board-wipes; however I've been trying to avoid wipes entirely.

  • I'm testing the deck with more ramp and hope to add more soon!

  • Sometimes its super annoying to flip through the whole deck, though for me it feels very rewarding to potentially play 3 pieces of power in 1 turn. I guess that's just the gimmick of the deck. It's hilarious seeing my friends' faces when this happens.

I like reclamation, reconnaissance and summoner's pact, but I generally avoid cheap non-sliver spells. Instead of reclamation, I'll be trying to get recursion with my land base, e.g. Volrath's Stronghold and I'm testing Memorial to Folly and Mortuary Mire .

However, in future I would like to add more tutors to increase the consistency of the deck. Thus, Summoner's Pact would be a good include. Once I increase the consistency of the deck more, I'll go for more 1 cmc non-slivers, as you've suggested. This can be achieved by tutors or cards that reorganise the top of the library, e.g. Sylvan Library , Sensei's Divining Top or Scroll Rack . However, right now, I'm sticking to the current build in hopes of testing cards such as:

Maelstrom Nexus Living End Wheel of Fate Diffusion Sliver Mirari's Wake

This'll be the first phase of my testing before I go more into tutors and ramp.

  • And yeh, slivers are definitely going to be hated, no matter how you put it haha. I think in my play group, one which is not that used to slivers, they are a bit more kind.

Help was much appreciated! Glhf to you too,

Strangelove on Sliver Storm

2 years ago

Hey Sectiron, +1 for you mate!

Here's my (casual?) list: Slivers/ First/ Lords

Clearly you've given it some thought, but it reads like you're underestimating your excludes... unless you're under-tuning for casual, tbf.

I wanted to list a few combos in case you missed them ;)

...Basically, Morophon, the Boundless , Sliver Queen , and Pulmonic Sliver go infinite in many ways... and Dormant Sliver , Basal Sliver (aka Ashnod's Altar ) , and Darkheart Sliver are all really good.

...as are Firewake Sliver (it gives haste) and Mindlash Sliver . Really, any sacrifice in general would let you play and turn off Dormant Sliver / Harmonic Sliver (aka Aura Shards )/ Crystalline Sliver /(etc) as well as capitalize on board wipes.

Ramp feels really nice... why not play more? Resigning yourself to 5 mana sounds miserable! I agree cascading into ramp is a bummer, but if you play 2:1 cards like Skyshroud Claim , (etc), you'll consistently play your commander as well as protect yourself from land hate (...it is too easy to deny the WUBRG player).

Also, play way more 1-drops, including non-Slivers. I personally like Phyrexian Reclamation and have been testing Reconnaissance . Currently my only 0-drop is Summoner's Pact , which effectively lets me stop cascading through <100 cards, tutor, and then shuffle. Your current setup is torture! Cascading for a single 1-drop (which you can't skip and just tutor) into <3 0-drops? You're flipping and shuffling way too much for a single rock! Either way, though, it looks like fun.

My tables are also casual, but Slivers are arch-enemy... no matter what! Embrace it :)

Hopefully this was helpful. glhf!

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