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Sphinx-Bone Wand
Artifact
Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery spell, you may put a charge counter on Sphinx-Bone Wand. If you do, Sphinx-Bone Wand deals damage equal to the number of charge counters on it to target creature or player.
Gidgetimer on Veyran, Voice of Duality, what …
3 years ago
Oh sorry skipped that one as I was referring back and forth between my response and your question.
Aria of Flame , Sphinx-Bone Wand , and Mizzix of the Izmagnus all add two counters. Runaway Steam-Kin has an intervening if clause and will only trigger if the clause is true and only have the effect if the clause is still true upon resolution. So, you are correct that if you do nothing the second trigger will not add counters, but if you make the second trigger to resolve will add counters.
cooknathan on Veyran, Voice of Duality, what …
3 years ago
Thanks Gidgetimer, very helpful.
What do you think about point 7 though? I'm guessing the Runaway Steam-Kin will max out at 3 counters (but you can -3 counters +3 mana after the first one resolves, before the second), the Aria of Flame and Sphinx-Bone Wand get two counters per cast and Mizzix of the Izmagnus gets one counter?
cooknathan on Veyran, Voice of Duality, what …
3 years ago
I'm probably not the only one confused with which triggers Veyran, Voice of Duality works with.
603.1. Triggered abilities have a trigger condition and an effect. They are written as “[When/Whenever/At] [trigger condition or event], [effect]. [Instructions (if any).]”
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So cards like Guttersnipe or cards with magecraft clearly work (she triggers her own magecraft), cool, no problem.
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There seems to be a consensus that cards with prowess and similar ( Stormchaser Mage , Aetherflux Reservoir , Wavebreak Hippocamp ) also work so long as it triggers with an instant or sorcery and not another card type. Ok, so maybe the permanent's trigger condition does not need to say 'instant' or 'sorcery'.
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What about if something like Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind was triggered with a Brainstorm ? Does the permanent's trigger condition need to say 'cast' too? What 'causes' the triggered ability to trigger? Is it the casting or the drawing? Same question with Baral, Chief of Compliance .
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What about cards that need an extra cost to trigger Lunar Mystic or Mirari ? Do we (or can we, or can't we) pay the extra cost when Veyran triggers it an additional time?
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What about cards like Knowledge Pool or Eye of the Storm which also requires the card to exile?
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What about Primal Wellspring or Pyromancer's Goggles do you get two copies?
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If Runaway Steam-Kin has two counters and you cast a red instant, does it end up with four counters? Does Aria of Flame or Sphinx-Bone Wand get one or two counters? How about Mizzix of the Izmagnus ?
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How does Spellweaver Volute work? DO you get two copies of the same instant?
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I think that covers everything. If anyone has any weird edge cases, this might be a good place to post it. Do any of these cards not work for some reason? Sunbird's Invocation , Jori En, Ruin Diver .
Thanks!
multimedia on Izzet Prismari Copy Storm
3 years ago
Hey, you're welcome. Cutting cards to make the required amount is one of the difficult parts of deck building, but it can also be a really good learning experience doing it. Your English is better than most Republicans in America.
The cards I suggested to cut are just not as good as other cards that you already have. Sometimes redundancy, which means playing the same effects with many cards, is what you need to cut to get to 100 cards. Another thing you can do for cuts is reduce the number of high CMC cards to ones that are more impactful. I made a mistake in the cards I suggested to cut. Keep Traitorous Blood , cut Mind Control , for the reason that you already said since it's a sorcery you can copy, but can't copy Mind Control.
You've done well with limiting the amount of five CMC cards or higher to the better ones with your Commander. This limit keeps the mana curve low, which in turn will help gameplay since you will not have many cards stuck in your hand which you can't cast. You want the higher CMC cards you cast to give you something good for the mana they cost. Getting value right away when you cast these cards is preferred, but is not always needed. What is needed is that they produce value that's worth their mana cost on your next turn or during your opponents turns until your next turn. With Veyran the more spells you can cast on your turn the better because of magecraft.
Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Docent of Perfection Flip, Thousand-Year Storm and Mana Geyser (only if you include Reiterate ) are the best five and six CMC cards here and you would rather draw them then any of the others. Brass's Bounty , Siren of the Fanged Coast and Sphinx-Bone Wand don't come close to being as good as the others.
DemonDante on Izzet Prismari Copy Storm
3 years ago
Hey multimedia! Dude, you have no idea about how much you helped me! Thanks so much! So, im new on EDH stuff, and i have few considerations about your suggestions.
I'm sorry for my English Show
so, yes I have too many cards and im trying to get some cut, buts its soooo hard for me lol
Siren of the Fanged Coast and Traitorous Blood (that can be copyed) : I'm kinda afraid of all huge Creatures on EDH, and get this more to steal them... Is it not a good strategy?
Curator's Ward were to get some extra protection, since I have only 2 hexproof... And i could use it on Artifacts too, righ?
Sphinx-Bone Wand i thought it could be a good finisher, despite being expensive to cast. I could get a lot of Treasures if copy Brass's Bounty and proc Storm-Kiln Artist
Jori En, Ruin Diver is just for drawin, but I guess instant and sorceries could do it better, right?
I still dont know if this deck could survive too long to ramp, and really start doing something relevant with the storm stuff. Should I put some extra control? Im really newbie on EDH haha..
multimedia on Izzet Prismari Copy Storm
3 years ago
Hey, well done on a budget for your first Commander deck. I'm having fun with Veyran with Kalamax, the Stormsire .
You have 111 cards which is too many. Cards to consider cutting to get to 100 cards:
- Temple of the False God : you don't have any land ramp, only relying on land drops to get five or more lands. This land will not be able to tap for mana until turn five or six at the earliest which is really bad.
- Sphinx-Bone Wand : it's too slow for the for payoff even with Veyran. It's seven mana and you then have to cast an instant or sorcery to put a counter on it.
- Siren of the Fanged Coast : five mana 4/4 flier is what this will be every time you cast it which is subpar.
- Brass's Bounty : not worth seven mana for treasures since you don't want to ramp into it. Need at least six lands in your control to make paying seven mana worth six treasures.
- Curator's Ward : you have better hexproof protection (Greaves/Boots) for Veyran.
- Selective Snare : narrow sorcery speed removal since only works on one creature type.
- Violent Impact
- Traitorous Blood
- Darksteel Ingot
- Jori En, Ruin Diver
Some budget cards to consider adding:
- Reiterate : combos with Mana Geyser to make infinite red mana as long as opponents have seven or more tapped lands. Buyback is nice when you want to be casting instants since it lets you after resolving it put it back into your hand to cast again. Mana enablers Storm-Kiln Artist and Birgi, God of Storytelling Flip are excellent with buyback.
Buyback is the reason that Reiterate can be a infinite combo with Geyser. After copying Geyser with Reiterate you resolve the copy of Geyser first and then resolve the original Reiterate which puts it back into your hand. While the original Geyser is still on the stack cast Reiterate again to copy the original Geyser and repeat. Can make infinite storm count for
Grapeshot
, infinite cast of instant for
Guttersnipe
/
Ral, Storm Conduit
or infinite mana for
Jaya's Immolating Inferno
as win conditions.
- Solve the Equation : tutor for any instant or sorcery.
- Saheeli, Sublime Artificer
- Frantic Search : goes well with High Tide since it can untap lands. Being able to cast an instant to draw and then untap lands lets you potentially cast another instant that you may of drawn to get more out of Veyran and magecraft.
- Brainstorm : staple blue draw spell, instant draw three for one mana.
- Increasing Vengeance : copy your own instant or sorcery. Has flashback which lets you cast it again from your graveyard and if you do copy your own instant or sorcery twice.
- Preordain : Scry 2 before you draw is nice. One mana spell that's a good target to copy.
- Wizard's Retort : Veyran is a Wizard.
- Shivan Reef
- Ash Barrens
- Grixis Panorama
If interested I offer more advice including cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.
dritchie on Cheapskate Talrand (Competitive, Budget $75!!)
3 years ago
Something that may go nice is Sphinx-Bone Wand
dritchie on instant spam
3 years ago
Love it but id say there was too many creatures in it you may want to remove some for Sphinx-Bone Wand as a potential win con and Guttersnipe for synergy. Feel free to have a look at mine i run a slightly more competitive version Izzet Mizzix Insanity also +1 from me :)
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