[[Primer v3.6]] - OM_RATH!!! (2021 Update!!!)

Commander / EDH VexenX

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#3 Commander Deck on Tappedout!!! 607 Votes! —Aug. 12, 2017

We finally became the #3 Commander/EDH deck on Tappedout!!! Alongside this I am making sum highly suggested changes. Let me know what you think!

Commander 2017 Update (and Others!)

The Turf has been highly recommended by several supporters! Thicket has been underwhelming...

Although we only got one card from Commander 2017, this is quite a powerful one! After much debate and evaluation, it seem like there is much to gain from this card, despite it not being as great prior to the casting of Om_rath. (The change will update as soon as the card is uploaded).

Crop is a cool card in theory, but taking a step back and looking at without Elemental Bond. Resolve on the other hand is much needed protection. Although it will only help to protect against spot removal, but if someone wants to boardwipe my army, then they will die for it!

Lower CMC for almost the same thing. The big creature is not often relevant.

Pretty clean trade off. Although it is less ramp, Sylvan is much better past the very early game.

I like the updates. Have you thought about Mina and Denn, instead of Nissa, Vastwood Seer  Flip?

You don't get to search for a land, or the potential card draw, but, you get the guaranteed multiple land-drops, per turn. In this deck, it doesn't seem like you'll be missing the potential card draw as much as you'll be utilizing the extra 'landfall' triggers.

July 22, 2017 3:04 p.m.

Mina and Denn, Wildborn** (not the link to another deck, that was a mistake)

July 22, 2017 3:08 p.m.

baddkaarma says... #3

Mina and Denn used to be in the deck but was taken out a couple of iterations ago as it just didn't do much of anything iirc. My experience was the same.

July 22, 2017 5 p.m.

feyn_do_alduin says... #4

mina and denn shines really as part of mad borbo

July 22, 2017 7:10 p.m.

Frank_Glascock says... #5

Would it be a mistake to assume Natural Order and Chord of Calling are used exclusively to get Purphoros, God of the Forge before Omnath and Craterhoof Behemoth after Omnath?

July 22, 2017 9:50 p.m.

Frank_Glascock says... #6

Do you have issues with spot removal targeting Omnath? My experience has been that in casual edh circles spot removal is prevalent. Do you think Steely Resolve is a viable solution in addition to Lightening Greaves?

What led to the inclusion of Shaman of Forgotten Ways? Was it Biorhythm on a stick? If yes, in game experience has that proven to be a viable wincon?

July 22, 2017 10:45 p.m.

Frank_Glascock says... #7

The presence of Ulvenwald Hydra and Harrow makes me wonder why Crop Rotation was excluded from the list. You have four excellent targets (in order of preference): Gaea's Cradle, Cavern of Souls, Command Beacon and Yavimaya's Hollow.

July 22, 2017 11:03 p.m.

Kneyo says... #8

Frank_Glascock in my experience with Shaman of Forgotten Ways, he's an all-star. Ramps into Omnath and then helps kill people with minimal effort. There's not a lot of creature dense decks in my meta though

July 23, 2017 7:46 a.m.

feyn_do_alduin says... #9

what are your thoughts on Ghost Quarter? while in competitive terms it's situational, it does have its political uses. If i were to add it, i'd probably add Tectonic Edge as well considering how prevailent the OP utility lands are in my meta.

I.E.

  1. get rid of any utility land you see fit (bye bye gaea's cradle, bye bye maze of ith)

2.help out that one guy who's struggling with his top decking by giving him a shuffle.

July 23, 2017 8:46 a.m.

Kenyo, I checked your Omnath decklist and I did not see Shaman of Forgotten Ways. I like to cross reference lists. For example, you are playing From the Ashes which I have played in the past and I have seen recommended.

I am going to give Shaman a try.

July 23, 2017 11:23 a.m.

Kneyo says... #11

Frank_Glascock I apologize, I need to update my decklist. I'll do that today. I don't own many fetchlands and stuff but I'm slowly investing more into Omnath. Being a college student makes it difficult to invest in magic cards lol. I'll tag you in the comments on my decklist when I get it done!

July 23, 2017 12:05 p.m.

Holtzman says... #12

I have to suggest Gruul Turf, but Rav Karoos are bad you say. There is much better ramp out there?(true)

If you read carefully you see that it can bounce itself, this is broken with Omrath. At worst it lets you play 1 land per turn every turn without drawing another land.

If you take into consideration it's synergies with:

Amulet of Vigor (tap if for mana in response to it bouncing itself)

Burgeoning OMG Burgeoning an opponent plays a land? You play a land, every time ALL the time.

Azusa, Lost but Seeking,etc simply get max amount of land drops per turn.

It's a Ghost Town you can use on your turn

July 23, 2017 6:12 p.m. Edited.

VexenX says... #13

Kneyo: Thanks for the support man! A lot of the cards you mentioned are very meta focused, but are great cards in here. I do try to keep my basic land count as high as possible because of all the basic land ramp in the deck.

EventuallyClassy: Mina and Denn, Wildborn is by no means a BAD card, it just was not impactful enough in my experience to stay in the deck. I would add it to any budget list.

Frank_Glascock: The creature tutors are even better now with Ramunap Excavator in the deck! What I look for is situational, but your two suggestions are very common, yes.

Steely Resolve is definitely something to think about... I think I will get a copy and give it a shot.

Crop Rotation is another card that is looking better thanks to Ramunap Excavator. 4 ways to get lands from the grave is much more then just 3!

As correctly stated by Kneyo, Shaman of Forgotten Ways is almost never a bad card in this deck. It either bring Om_rath out earlier, or just wins the game.

feyn_do_alduin: To be honest, I don't really think I need more land destruction. Strip Mine does the job just fine, and I'll keep bringing it back if I really need to.

Holtzman: I meant to add Gruul Turf in this update, but forgot. I am sure it is just one of those cards that you don't really know you need tell you have it! I'll get my hands on one soon.

July 24, 2017 12:51 a.m.

VexenX, I am playing Crop Rotation in the place of Ulvenwald Hydra. What would you cut for Steely Resolve? My initial thought is one of the conditional draw cards. Cream of the Crop seems the weakest.

Would these be the two cards you would cut?

July 24, 2017 11:02 a.m.

Steely Resolve has a lower cmc, but wouldn't Asceticism be objectively better if you want to run that sort of effect? Protecting ALL of your creatures while adding some measure of wrath protection seems like it would be worth the extra mana.

July 24, 2017 11:09 a.m.

I may go back to Asceticism but the three mana difference means that is most likely all I can play that turn. Plus, Craterhoof Behemoth and maybe Avenger of Zendikar are the only non elementals that are essential to winning. I just smile (on the inside) when my opponent wastes a removal spell on anything but Omnath. The regeneration effect with Asceticism was what gave me pause. Has that proven useful?

July 24, 2017 11:57 a.m.

I'm still in the process of building Omnath for myself, so my experience with it comes from using it in other decks. However, in those decks if the plan is to try hard to make sure that one threat stays alive, Asceticism does good work in green. I've only ever been able to save more than 1 creature from a wrath a few times, but if saving just one creature for a turn is the difference between winning and losing it's worth it. Of course it depends on how competitive your group is. I may not run with as competitive of a crowd as you, so maybe the lower cost is worth it in your case.

July 24, 2017 12:17 p.m.

Kneyo says... #18

I run Heroic Intervention in my deck and I would gladly swap it out for a Steely Resolve. I don't like that it says shroud but for a 2 cmc enchantment that protects the foundation of the deck, I couldn't complain. Frank_Glascock, I don't know what VexenX would cut for it though. In all honesty, I don't like Hour of Promise, but then again I'm still a magic noob so take what I say with a grain of salt.

July 24, 2017 6:10 p.m.

Kneyo, for you Hour of Promise probably is not going to give you enough bang for your buck (or for a five mana sorcery). Once you get your lands upgraded it may be an option. VexenX is playing Explosive Vegetation. One more mana gets you two of Gaea's Cradle, Cavern of Souls, Command Beacon, Yavimaya Hollow, any of the fetch lands, Taiga, or several of the ramp lands like Blighted Woodland.

July 24, 2017 7:37 p.m.

What are your thoughts on Sylvan Scrying replacing Rampant Growth? Seems like Rampant Growth is better only in the early game as opposed to Sylvan Scrying which is better middle to late game.

July 25, 2017 10:08 p.m.

VexenX says... #21

Frank_Glascock: Crop Rotation for Ulvenwald Hydra is something I will strongly consider. It is going to be hard to get a foil one though... I have been hoping for a foil reprint... I don't see myself cutting Rampant Growth, but adding Sylvan Scrying has been on my mind. Although it does not ramp, it gets you any utility land... Something to think about.

GeminiSpartanX: The shroud is kind of keeping me away from Steely Resolve... I often sack my creatures for damage. This just shuts my own strategy down. Asceticism on the other hand is more then double the cmc, but gives you a lot more. It has been a card I have been on the fence since the creation of this deck. I think I would be much more tempted when/if it get reprinted. I am not at the point that I want to get a foil one right now for this deck. (Still recovering from building The Scarab God and Grand Prix Las Vegas back to back, lol).

Kneyo: Think about Hour of Promise as a bad Tempt with Discovery (which is my favorite ramp spell every!) Hitting five mana is a normality on turn 3 for this deck, so this will make us cast Om_rath on turn 4 THEN drop a land for a token. I don't think I will ever be upset to draw this card, and that is a good test to judge the value of a card! But yes, if you are not playing a ton of utility lands like I am in my build, it is a lot less attractive.

Thank you all for the comments! The upvote have not move for a bit (all the hype is with the new God commanders I guess), however, I still get added to a ton of folders. Ironically, we are in more folders then we have upvotes... lol.

We are just 15 votes away from being #3 commander deck!!! We can do it!!!

July 28, 2017 12:29 a.m.

VexenX: Which of your sacrificing effects "target"? Greater Good, Goblin Bombardment, Perilous Forays, Ashnod's Altar, Natural Order and Blasphemous Acts do not target. You are playing Song of the Dryads, an aura, which by nature does target without saying "target".

I still think Sylvan Scrying is an upgrade to Rampant Growth. I will use your argument for Hour of Promise as an illustration. When besides the first few turns are you going to be more excited to draw Rampart Growth? Early game I can use Sylvan Scrying to get Cavern of Souls to ensure Omnath is not countered. Post Omnath is where you are you going to be a lot happier drawing Sylvan over Rampart. Cradle, Yavimaya Hollow, Reliquary Tower and Command Beacon are almost always going to be the better play mid to late game than playing another basic.

July 28, 2017 1:08 a.m.

Yes, I was going to say the same thing. I don't think that Steely Resolve will stop you from sacking your own guys. For example, Goblin Bombardment only targets the thing it's doing damage to, not the creature that gets sacked. The only reason that I like Asceticism more is because of the regeneration against sweepers and the fact that it gives all your creatures hexproof regardless of creature type. It could be that you just don't need Asceticism though since you're running Eldrazi Monument anyway, making it more redundant. Likewise, Steely Resolve is only better than Lightning Greaves when opponents have instant-speed targeted spot removal, so depending on your playgroup it might not be worth a slot between all your other cards.

July 28, 2017 6:22 a.m. Edited.

I have yet to play Steely Resolve. Hopefully that will change this weekend. I think it is worth testing if you play in a meta with a lot of spot removal and less sweepers. I am going to note the times Omnath is swept by a spell that allows for regeneration and I had a green and a colorless to regenerate. Asceticism may prove to be worth the three extra mana.

GeminiSpartanX, what did you think of my argument for Crop Rotation over Ulvenwald Hydra and Sylvan Scrying over Rampant Growth? I am much more certain of their inclusion then Steely Resolve.

July 28, 2017 1:36 p.m.

I actually like Ulvenwald Hydra over crop rotation. Having a huge threat in play to draw out removal spells before Omnath hits the table (or in between castings) helps reduce the amount of removal your opponents will have later. With the addition of Hour of Promise now plus Life from the Loam dredging and returning utility lands, I don't think CR is as necessary. I also am not a fan of crop rotation sacking a land in a ramp deck. It just seems to go against the grain of what the deck is trying to do. If you add Sylvan Scrying to the deck, I definitely don't think Hydra needs to be cut. However if you have the Dark Depths combo in your deck I'd be more inclined to make space for CR, maybe in place of something else like Farseek.

However, Sylvan Scrying seems to have more upside to Rampant Growth imo. Scrying is fine on turn 2 when you have Burgeoning or Exploration in play, and great in the late game. Growth is always great on turn 2 or if you don't have any 'extra land drop' effects in play. Testing will be the only way to tell for sure, but I'd be willing to give Scrying a try in that spot at the very least.

July 28, 2017 2:31 p.m.