Firesong and Sunspeaker

Legality

Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Arena Legal
Standard Legal
Pioneer Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Brawl Legal
Frontier Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Dominaria (DOM) Rare
Promo Set (000) None

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Firesong and Sunspeaker

Legendary Creature — Minotaur

Red instant and sorcery spells you control have lifelink.

Whenever a white instant or sorcery spell causes you to gain life, Firesong and Sunspeaker deals 3 damage to target creature or player.

Firesong and Sunspeaker Discussion

Maino on Champions of the Sun

6 days ago

Have you considered Dockside Extortionist ? That little guy comes down and often makes 7 or 8 treasures, which can even be used with Treasure Map  Flip for card draw.

Firesong and Sunspeaker is my favourite commander by a mile and I have a list of my own, if you want to check it out and maybe get some inspiration! Really like your deck though, at the beginning I tried the Boros Reckoner route and didn't find a way to make it viable but seeing your indestructibility package it really is interesting.

Great job!

Tzefick on Help designing a GOOD Boros ...

2 weeks ago

I agree with most points put forward by Hjaltrohir, that Boros and in conjunction white and red has major weaknesses in multiplayer formats and especially Commander.

Although I would like to say that Boros doesn't have that many good Commanders and most are relatively similar. Many also follows a tendency to invite to Voltron-esque or very combat heavy strategies. I know that both red and white are very heavy invested in combat, so it largely makes sense but it can also feel a bit one dimensional. Some of the newer Boros legends have somewhat broken some of this idea with Firesong and Sunspeaker and Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero , but the rest is mainly focused around some aspect of creature combat or a very narrow design space .

The most pressing issue to support Boros or red and white in Commander would be to grant them more support in the 99, the easiest target would be for both ramp and card draw in some fashion (I made a thread on here about white's issues in Commander, feel free to visit if you'd like). However that doesn't exclude that more support could happen to Boros commanders as well.


As for the suggested commander in the OP, I think it's a possible design that could be created. It would invite to a Voltron style deck and takes advantage of red and white's affinity for equipment.

I think the commander is quite weak and doesn't help much with the equipment already put on the battlefield from previous activations. That you stick them all on the commander you just tapped down means you wont get any value out of these equipments other than a single block (or attack if you grant it vigilance).

That you need to find an equipment with CMC equal to the verse counters contra equal or less, means you need a broad selection of equipment in your deck to take advantage of his ability, and that typically leaves your deck stuck with a lot of suboptimal equipment. Otherwise you just spent mana to churn up the verse count with no gain to eventually get to a point where you can get out your Sword of X and Y or Batterskull .

I think you're doing yourself a disservice by playing this Commander, as it feels like a trap. Some changes that could increase his viability would be to allow searching for equal or less. Another to change the uptick from verse counters on him to experience counters on you (to keep the value from previous activations between deaths). Another to allow the new-found equipment to be attached to any creature you control. To balance some of the above out a little, his cost would likely need to go up a little to CMC 2-4.

We have yet to see what's on the transformed side, but nevertheless I feel like the setup is a Voltron trap and I wonder if the payout is worth it. By just using the Commander to gather equipments and equip them to him, you need a whopping 16 mana investment and it takes at minimum 6 turns to get him online - and that's assuming a turn 2 Sol Ring or similar mana accelerator to activate him on turn 2.


Feedback on all other suggestions Show


My idea for a Boros Commander would be something like this:

Whatshisface

Legendary creature - Human Soldier

Whenever ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, you may draw two cards and discard two cards.

At the beginning of your post-combat main phase, you may return a permanent card with converted mana X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is equal to the amount of damage dealt to opponents this turn by sources you control.

2/2


He's cheap, he provides looting to filter into gas, which is a very red thing. Additionally he utilizes white's ability to restore or bring back permanents from the graveyard - which could include lands -> granting Boros access to land ramp. You can even fill your own graveyard with lands through the looting.

It's a utility Commander that could pay to protect but is not a necessity like a Voltron. He can enable cheating of costs by looting out high CMC permanents and then bring them back after dealing a load of damage. As the damage is not necessary to come through combat, you are enabled to use Lightning Bolt to restore a Ghostly Prison .

I figure this Commander is broad enough to provide the color pairing a lot of necessary utility without locking him into a specific theme. This is a value generator and not as much a build around necessity - but you can.

You can build him as a Voltron and equip or enchant him up to be beefy, evasive, hit harder and restore ever higher CMC permanents from your graveyard after looting them in there.

You can build a white wheenie deck and go wide to ensure damage on your opponents to bring back some wheenie or bigger thing (and he doesn't need to attack with them - unless you want the looting).

You can build a heavy hitter deck with Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder and have him as one of the 99 just to bring back high CMC stuff.

You can build a multi combat phase deck , and get even more resurrect triggers in each post-combat main phase.

You can even not care about him other than cast him for the looting, get a land or whatever in the post-combat main phase. Attack next turn for another looting, he dies in combat, recast to loot again, attack or bring something back the turn after.

Gidgetimer on Firesong and Sunspeaker interaction

2 months ago

It doesn't trigger Firesong and Sunspeaker 's second ability. Azorius Charm is granting an ability to a creature and then the creature is gaining you the life via it's new ability.

ulysses2009 on Firesong and Sunspeaker interaction

2 months ago

I have a question regarding Firesong and Sunspeaker : If i give a creature lifelink, for example with Azorius Charm , does the second ability of Firesong and Sunspeaker trigger if i gain life through this effect?

And if it does, does it happen multiple times if i can set up an infinite lifegain loop using Boros Reckoner and something to make him indestructible?

If not, why doesn't it work?

I am trying to understand this commander, it is still quite confusing to me

enpc on Firesong and sunspeaker/ painters servant ...

3 months ago

It's good to link cards that you're discussing:

Firesong and Sunspeaker

Painter's Servant

As for how it works - I'm guessing you name white with Painter's Servant . This means that every time you cast a burn spell (making the assumption that 99.99% of burn spells are red/X) then that spell has lifelink and triggers the white spell gain life clause of FS&SS. This means that every burn spell deals an additional 3 damage. So something like Grapeshot gest really dumb, as each copy will effectively deal 4 damage.

Suns_Champion on Super Smash Boros | Firesong & Sunspeaker EDH

3 months ago

Caerwyn and BMHKain Thanks for commenting! Funny story about Painter's Servant, it was actually in the deck for quite a while! Check out the August 6th, 2018 update for when I took it out. Fascinating card for sure. Now it is somewhat out of my usual price range to put back in(I never bought a physical copy)!

I think the issue with PS now is that if I want it to work with Firesong and Sunspeaker , I'd start running cards that aren't very good on their own. I don't think there are many good damage dealing white instants that I'd want to make red with PS, nor very many red lifegain spells I'd like to make white.

PS works for all red damage spells when FS&SS are out, it's true. But since making a Blasphemous Act also white only gives me one FS&SS trigger, it doesn't seem worth it to me.

Very behind on other comments... I'll get to them all eventually!

IrateWarrior on Need help cutting

4 months ago

Id have to disagree with the Ob Nixilis, the Fallen Between Yarok and the majority of my ramp being Land Search Focus i have had multiple games Ob Pings for 40 Damage just off Lands.

Primal Rage is actually a good idea, i never really thought about my guys having it anyways. i think that will be my first Cut.

Teferi's Time Twist is another Control card. Most games Yarok, the Desecrated is a Giant Bulls eye. It has been on my short list to cut tho as i Might be forcing Vigor Back in as there will be a Firesong and Sunspeaker Deck at my group that is 85% Damage spells.

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