Firesong and Sunspeaker
Legendary Creature — Minotaur
Red instant and sorcery spells you control have lifelink.
Whenever a white instant or sorcery spell causes you to gain life, Firesong and Sunspeaker deals 3 damage to target creature or player.
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Firesong and Sunspeaker occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%
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Firesong and Sunspeaker Discussion
2 weeks ago
@Blackheart426: Sorry. I've already made up my mind. I'm Going Gerrard on this. Akiri/Bruse Tarl was a close 2nd Place choice. The rest of the 5 choices were awful: Aurelia, the Warleader would've been a poor reason to run Boros in a cEDH environment. Haktos the Unscarred is basically the worst kind of Hot Mess that requires only 2, 3, & 4 CMC cards in case he enters play. This means you must attack w/ him EVERY TURN, & cards 0, 1, & all 5+ CMC cards are all not allowed. While I am currently building an Exalted Deck for Ol' Achilles, The Nyxborn, it's no means cEDH related. & Please... Don't get me started on Archangel Avacyn Flip. Feather, the Redeemed, Depala, Pilot Exemplar, & Firesong and Sunspeaker all don't count as they have Tier 3 cEDH Level/Joke Build/Burn turned Life. I chose Gerrard because of this. Not sure if you understand, but...
…Anya, Merciless Angel is nowhere near such a statistic.
Sorry, I'm not changing CMDRs now; it's locked in by the one who Beheaded Urza.
I hope you understand... :(
1 month ago
Hey, I'm new here. And one of my brothers told me that this site has a good community and that they could help me out with a deck idea I have. My 3 brothers and I like to play magic together. We have a lot fun With the new commander thingy but I would love to have a 2nd commander deck. Right now I use a Jeskai deck based on the Mystic Intellect commander deck and I win here and there by throwing a lot of spells around and wipe until there is nothing left. I would love to have a 2nd deck and use less spells but more tactics and creatures and I also loved Boros colores the most due to their non-elf, non-"tap a card and that card will never be useful again" and non-destroy everything cards featured in green, blue and black. Sadly I don't know why Boros should be a valid pick for commander or normal. Want to play dragons? Just play red. Want to play angels? Just play white. Want to draw cards and/or lands? Play green.
If someone could please tell me what Boros excels at and what to do with them best that would be great.
My brother told me that I could include another color and black would be the only choice due to me already having a red/white/blue deck and one of my brothers is using red/white/green. The commander for that would be Licia, Sanguine Tribune and I would play a Vampire/Soldier tactic. Don't know how though.
2 months ago
Firesong and Sunspeaker is my favourite commander by a mile and I have a list of my own, if you want to check it out and maybe get some inspiration! Really like your deck though, at the beginning I tried the Boros Reckoner route and didn't find a way to make it viable but seeing your indestructibility package it really is interesting.
3 months ago
I agree with most points put forward by Hjaltrohir, that Boros and in conjunction white and red has major weaknesses in multiplayer formats and especially Commander.
Although I would like to say that Boros doesn't have that many good Commanders and most are relatively similar. Many also follows a tendency to invite to Voltron-esque or very combat heavy strategies. I know that both red and white are very heavy invested in combat, so it largely makes sense but it can also feel a bit one dimensional. Some of the newer Boros legends have somewhat broken some of this idea with Firesong and Sunspeaker and Gerrard, Weatherlight Hero , but the rest is mainly focused around some aspect of creature combat or a very narrow design space .
The most pressing issue to support Boros or red and white in Commander would be to grant them more support in the 99, the easiest target would be for both ramp and card draw in some fashion (I made a thread on here about white's issues in Commander, feel free to visit if you'd like). However that doesn't exclude that more support could happen to Boros commanders as well.
As for the suggested commander in the OP, I think it's a possible design that could be created. It would invite to a Voltron style deck and takes advantage of red and white's affinity for equipment.
I think the commander is quite weak and doesn't help much with the equipment already put on the battlefield from previous activations. That you stick them all on the commander you just tapped down means you wont get any value out of these equipments other than a single block (or attack if you grant it vigilance).
That you need to find an equipment with CMC equal to the verse counters contra equal or less, means you need a broad selection of equipment in your deck to take advantage of his ability, and that typically leaves your deck stuck with a lot of suboptimal equipment. Otherwise you just spent mana to churn up the verse count with no gain to eventually get to a point where you can get out your Sword of X and Y or Batterskull .
I think you're doing yourself a disservice by playing this Commander, as it feels like a trap. Some changes that could increase his viability would be to allow searching for equal or less. Another to change the uptick from verse counters on him to experience counters on you (to keep the value from previous activations between deaths). Another to allow the new-found equipment to be attached to any creature you control. To balance some of the above out a little, his cost would likely need to go up a little to CMC 2-4.
We have yet to see what's on the transformed side, but nevertheless I feel like the setup is a Voltron trap and I wonder if the payout is worth it. By just using the Commander to gather equipments and equip them to him, you need a whopping 16 mana investment and it takes at minimum 6 turns to get him online - and that's assuming a turn 2 Sol Ring or similar mana accelerator to activate him on turn 2.
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I disagree with Boza that white and/or red's best way to interact with opponents is a static tax. Taxing in multiplayer is usually a good way to end up the default target unless a larger threat is present.
I am however a fan of taxing as a countermeasure to a trigger on an action - think Rhystic Study . Because it's a choice for the opponent you're less likely to catch flak for it politically and the setup grants access to abilities that is normally outside that cost range and can stretch the color pie a little - like Smothering Tithe .
Suns_Champion I could dig a Boros commander that doubles all triggers on attack. There's a lot of other Boros creatures that triggers on attack, so it could be interesting. However I wonder if it will be strong.
Funkydiscogod You basically want to grant all your creatures Myriad . Not a bad idea, potentially very powerful. You lose out on all legendary myriads though. Hence why the creation of Helm of the Host
Last_Laugh The modal format could be used in an unconventional way:
Whenever ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, choose one:
Until your next turn, it costs your opponents more to:
Attack you with a creature.
Cast an enchantment or artifact spell.
Cast a spell or activate an activated ability during another player's turn.
Something along those lines.
Funkydiscogod The lifelink + life gained trigger suggestion.
The card is not busted but it is potentially powerful. Generate infinite mana and you can blow out the game - same as if you had a Comet Storm . That doesn't make it inherently busted.
StopShot and the provoke Commander. There's too much text, a lot of complexity with limited gain. Utility creatures will die left and right if there. The annoyance of this card will likely result in more anger towards this Commander than it has right to receive.
Interesting idea, but I doubt it will and I also hope it wont see print.
seshiro_of_the_orochi The Mentor of the Meek variant. Where Feather made a lot of good for Boros in terms of enabling a new deck type based on combat tricks, she is very narrow. I would argue that this variant is in many ways similar, although with broader support. However his theme is going wide - be it tokens, be it small CMC wheenies. I don't think this is as open a Commander as you pose when comparing to Feather.
TypicalTimmy The Aurelia token + draw variant.
Interesting idea, but wont you basically always choose the many to more quickly satisfy her draw triggers and take advantage of wide buffs?
The draw trigger is a bit wonky and you wont get the trigger with the first tokens, but you already went over this.
Still in this situation I think Aurelia, the Warleader is a better Commander for the blowout potential she brings, whereas this is a high CMC card as well that gradually works up towards value.
WizardOfTheNorthernCoast and the non-combat instant/sorcery shapeshifter.
I fear this sort of design is too prone to inspire a very similar build that ends in one of the above and a blow-out win after dealing 100+ non-combat damage over X amounts of creatures.
For instance if each player in a 4 man game has just 3 creatures on the board and you cast Chain Reaction , that's 12 damage to each of 12 creatures, resulting in 144 +1/+1 counters that could easily take out all the remaining opponents.
My idea for a Boros Commander would be something like this:
Legendary creature - Human Soldier
Whenever ~ enters the battlefield or attacks, you may draw two cards and discard two cards.
At the beginning of your post-combat main phase, you may return a permanent card with converted mana X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield, where X is equal to the amount of damage dealt to opponents this turn by sources you control.
He's cheap, he provides looting to filter into gas, which is a very red thing. Additionally he utilizes white's ability to restore or bring back permanents from the graveyard - which could include lands -> granting Boros access to land ramp. You can even fill your own graveyard with lands through the looting.
It's a utility Commander that could pay to protect but is not a necessity like a Voltron. He can enable cheating of costs by looting out high CMC permanents and then bring them back after dealing a load of damage. As the damage is not necessary to come through combat, you are enabled to use Lightning Bolt to restore a Ghostly Prison .
I figure this Commander is broad enough to provide the color pairing a lot of necessary utility without locking him into a specific theme. This is a value generator and not as much a build around necessity - but you can.
You can build him as a Voltron and equip or enchant him up to be beefy, evasive, hit harder and restore ever higher CMC permanents from your graveyard after looting them in there.
You can build a white wheenie deck and go wide to ensure damage on your opponents to bring back some wheenie or bigger thing (and he doesn't need to attack with them - unless you want the looting).
You can build a heavy hitter deck with Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder and have him as one of the 99 just to bring back high CMC stuff.
You can build a multi combat phase deck , and get even more resurrect triggers in each post-combat main phase.
You can even not care about him other than cast him for the looting, get a land or whatever in the post-combat main phase. Attack next turn for another looting, he dies in combat, recast to loot again, attack or bring something back the turn after.
4 months ago
4 months ago
I have a question regarding Firesong and Sunspeaker : If i give a creature lifelink, for example with Azorius Charm , does the second ability of Firesong and Sunspeaker trigger if i gain life through this effect?
And if it does, does it happen multiple times if i can set up an infinite lifegain loop using Boros Reckoner and something to make him indestructible?
If not, why doesn't it work?
I am trying to understand this commander, it is still quite confusing to me
5 months ago
It's good to link cards that you're discussing:
As for how it works - I'm guessing you name white with Painter's Servant . This means that every time you cast a burn spell (making the assumption that 99.99% of burn spells are red/X) then that spell has lifelink and triggers the white spell gain life clause of FS&SS. This means that every burn spell deals an additional 3 damage. So something like Grapeshot gest really dumb, as each copy will effectively deal 4 damage.
6 months ago
and BMHKain Thanks for commenting! Funny story about Painter's Servant, it was actually in the deck for quite a while! Check out the August 6th, 2018 update for when I took it out. Fascinating card for sure. Now it is somewhat out of my usual price range to put back in(I never bought a physical copy)!
I think the issue with PS now is that if I want it to work with Firesong and Sunspeaker , I'd start running cards that aren't very good on their own. I don't think there are many good damage dealing white instants that I'd want to make red with PS, nor very many red lifegain spells I'd like to make white.
PS works for all red damage spells when FS&SS are out, it's true. But since making a Blasphemous Act also white only gives me one FS&SS trigger, it doesn't seem worth it to me.
Very behind on other comments... I'll get to them all eventually!