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| Format | Legality |
| 1v1 Commander | Legal |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander / EDH | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
Legendary Creature — Goblin Rogue
This enters the battlefield with X +1/+1 counters on it.
: Put the bottom card of your library into your graveyard. If it's a creature card with power less than or equal to this creature's power, put it onto the battlefield
legendofa on A challenge extended to AI …
1 month ago
I like to think I'm reasonably creative with deck ideas, and that I can design something that nobody's ever seen before. I just spent some time checking out AI deckbuilders, and I was generally unimpressed. They do decently, if boringly, with well-established archetypes and common shells, but give them an unusual prompt and they start to fall apart.
I asked several different AI deckbuilders to design a Temur Goad deck for Commander. This combination has only four decks on TappedOut (and I'm happy to say one of them is mine), six on Archidekt, none on Moxfield (but that could be user error on the search), and 46 on EDHrec (assuming Forced Combat overlaps with Goad). So it's not exactly a common strategy.
I'm not going to reveal which AI builder gave which results, but I tested edhgen.ai, ai4chat, ChatGPT, and yeschat.ai a couple times each. The results included:
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a Temur goodstuff deck with no goad cards.
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a 64-card deck that included Taunt from the Rampart and Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant
, claiming they weren't legal as commanders but could be in the 99. -
Estrid, the Masked
as a highly recommended card, then quickly devolving into pure broken-AI gibberish. -
a suggestion for the best commander as Nefarox, Spymaster from the RRG set--anyone recognize that?
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a Xyris, the Writhing Storm deck (yay!) that was mostly wheels and token stuff (boo!) that tried to sneak in Kardur, Doomscourge. (This one was the best, and I'll give it credit for recommending a card I had overlooked. It was still mostly generic first-draft-level Xyris with off-color-ness.)
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an unfocused Marisi, Breaker of the Coil
deck. -
Raggadragga, Goreguts Boss + Grenzo, Havoc Raiser as a Commander + Background option, then claiming that green was off-color.
I then asked each one for a deck that uses only mythic rare cards and basic lands, a looser version of a prompt I got on here. Set symbols are red, but the budget isn't is where I ended up. Similar results for the AI:
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nonexistent cards, then breaking.
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a 38-card deck.
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cards of all rarities, failing to understand the prompt.
So I'm offering a challenge to AI deck builders and those who use them: pick a prompt for a niche archetype or unusual deck gimmick and post it here. I build a deck meeting that prompt using my human creativity, the AI of your choice builds a deck using whatever digital skills it has, and the TappedOut community judges the decks.
Or, if you have other general thoughts or comments about AI deck building, please feel free to add to the conversation. Spoiler: I'm generally against AI-built decks. The best ones are generic and un-nuanced, the worst ones straight-up don't work as decks.
SteelSentry on Pattern Recognition #342 - Goblins, …
7 months ago
Definitely Goblin Welder
for me, though I am fond of the Odd Couple-style duo from Fiora, Daretti, Scrap Savant and Grenzo, Dungeon Warden. I feel like Goblins lost a lot of their teeth in newer sets (compare the change in Goblin Chieftain's flavor text as an obvious example), so the any that play more into the 'dangerously unhinged' persona instead of just pure slapstick catch my eye.
RiotRunner789 on Kess Combos
9 months ago
Stranglehold + Maralen of the Mornsong for a lockout out combo. Stranglehold is good on its own bit Maralen can be tricky if you play her first (at least without having counters for the answers your opponents grab). Not sure how wizard-y but it's fun.
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden + Timestream Navigator + Ascend and at least 6 mana for infinite turns: Grenzo works alright if you have creature support but he works better putting your spells in the yard. I like this one for your deck because either piece works fine on its own and it's a more 'fair' two card combo.
Not sure I know of any really flavorful ones but I'll probably look around for some.
RiotRunner789 on All the combos
11 months ago
Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker + Pestermite or Zealous Conscripts for infinite attackers. Also. Kiki can copy other combo pieces and each piece is useful on its own.
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden + Timestream Navigator + Ascend and at least 6 mana for infinite turns.
Stranglehold + Maralen of the Mornsong locks opponents out of card draw and tutoring. Maralen can also tutor for the other piece or other combo piece but opponents will probably tutor for answers.
Demonic Consultation + Thassa's Oracle for instant win. Demonic can also just be used to grab another combo piece.
Smothering Tithe + Stasis for a lockout.
Teferi's Protection or some indestructible spell + Jokulhaups for a hard opponent reset. Teferi and Apocalypse or some other degenerate red board wipe also works.
Mana Vortex or some other land destruction like Armageddon + ability to play lands from grave like Crucible of Worlds for a combo people will hate you for.
There are a million combos, so it's probably best to pick ones that work with your commander or contain pieces that work on their own. Or, at least have a few defensive pieces (board wipes, stax, Propaganda, counters, etc.) to hold off your opponents.
Coward_Token on Fuck it, late Outlaw of …
1 year ago
Insatiable Avarice: In mono-B, this is draw three for three, which is a pretty good rate. K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth gets Demonic Tutor + draw two for
Fortune, Loyal Steed: From reading the story, I thought he looked like the "horse" from Elden Ring so this art was pretty startling
The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride: I kinda wish he got some serious flavor again. The original premise of "edgy hypno toad" was what made him funny, but now it just feels like WotC is milking that fan reaction for all it's worth.
Great Train Heist: solid Relentless Assault variant, but I kinda wish the last one said "each" for EDH purposes, even if I know it targets for the sake of crime:ing
Gisa, the Hellraiser: WotC throwing legendofa a bone, I guess.
Olivia, Opulent Outlaw: Why would becoming a criminal make Oliva gain white of all colors? I assume this is in preparation for Assassin's Creed, but it's still pretty weird. (For reference: White outlaws within Mardu's color identity)
Final Showdown: The best spree card? In voltron decks this is basically an instant-speed Plague Wind for seven mana that doubles as a situational savingspell. I think the first mode has a lot of situational uses, but it's something you have to keep your eyes out for.
High Noon: Rule of Law upgrade for Boros+, although Deafening Silence is still a thing
Arid Archway: idk if colorless decks needed a second Guildless Commons, but sure. Would rather have a mono-colored cycle tbh.
Tomb Trawler: I'm surprised how slowly Grenzo, Dungeon Warden is accumulating these kind of cards; Cogwork Archivist missed the mark in more ways than one
Roxanne, Starfall Savant: was kinda confused about the second ability until I realized she triggers on both ETB and attack. Powerstones obviously work too, plus e.g. Svella, Ice Shaper. Edit: Oh and Treasures too, obviously
Stubborn Burrowfiend: Ahhh! What the hell is the flavor supposed to be with that art?!
Kambal, Profiteering Mayor: Pretty cool with e.g. Saw in Half, Wedding Ring, and Tombstone Stairwell
Geralf, the Fleshwright: still not a good mono-U zombie commander but seems real good in the 99
Lilah, Undefeated Slickshot: so basically a multicolor Taigam, Ojutai Master/Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch Flip? Not bad.
Caustic Bronco: Could have been Dark Confidant on steroids, but mediocre thoughness and no evasion keeps its attack trigger from being reliable
Calamity, Galloping Inferno: somehow just a normal horse, not Elemental or anything.
Eriette, the Beguiler: gogo Enchant permanent! Also, every Licid is now a Dominating Licid
Obeka, Splitter of Seconds: suck it, The Ninth Doctor!
Doolbeurt on
Slimfoot and Squee (Goblin Tribal)
1 year ago
I love goblins and I often have thought the same, that if we had access to green then there would be so many cool ways to abuse all the best archtypes Jund has to offer. I originally made Shattergang Brothers into a reanimator/goblin tribal deck but it can't do both of those things like Slimefoot and Squee !
(this would replace my Grenzo, Dungeon Warden goblin deck if that deck wasn't so much fun to pilot)
Additionally, I appreciate the thought you've put into your card choices. Great deck, my dude! +1!
SufferFromEDHD on
Hurkyl, Tempo Master Wizard
2 years ago
Both of those Jace's are a serious downgrade compared to the 4 creatures.
However, Mordenkainen is such a cool card! Reminiscent of your Soldevi Digger. Would be useful in Grixis reanimator alongside Grenzo, Dungeon Warden.
The dog tokens are unique and surprisingly strong.
Slightly tweaked Enter the Infinite is kind of counter productive to the strategy but I think you just win anyway.
I'll have to find and trade for this bulk gem.
Doolbeurt on
Nasty Habits and Dark Hearts [Gut Tribal]
2 years ago
This deck has some great energy! I love goblins and this as a Tiny Leaders deck is awesome! Gut, True Soul Zealot is really cool and this build will most definitely have me updating my Grenzo, Dungeon Warden deck. +1, good sir!
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