Fuck it, late Outlaw of Thunder Junction thread

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Posted on April 1, 2024, 4:48 a.m. by Coward_Token

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Insatiable Avarice: In mono-B, this is draw three for three, which is a pretty good rate. K'rrik, Son of Yawgmoth gets Demonic Tutor + draw two for

Fortune, Loyal Steed: From reading the story, I thought he looked like the "horse" from Elden Ring so this art was pretty startling

The Gitrog, Ravenous Ride: I kinda wish he got some serious flavor again. The original premise of "edgy hypno toad" was what made him funny, but now it just feels like WotC is milking that fan reaction for all it's worth.

Great Train Heist: solid Relentless Assault variant, but I kinda wish the last one said "each" for EDH purposes, even if I know it targets for the sake of crime:ing

Gisa, the Hellraiser: WotC throwing legendofa a bone, I guess.

Olivia, Opulent Outlaw: Why would becoming a criminal make Oliva gain white of all colors? I assume this is in preparation for Assassin's Creed, but it's still pretty weird. (For reference: White outlaws within Mardu's color identity)

Final Showdown: The best spree card? In voltron decks this is basically an instant-speed Plague Wind for seven mana that doubles as a situational savingspell. I think the first mode has a lot of situational uses, but it's something you have to keep your eyes out for.

High Noon: Rule of Law upgrade for Boros+, although Deafening Silence is still a thing

Arid Archway: idk if colorless decks needed a second Guildless Commons, but sure. Would rather have a mono-colored cycle tbh.

Tomb Trawler: I'm surprised how slowly Grenzo, Dungeon Warden is accumulating these kind of cards; Cogwork Archivist missed the mark in more ways than one

Roxanne, Starfall Savant: was kinda confused about the second ability until I realized she triggers on both ETB and attack. Powerstones obviously work too, plus e.g. Svella, Ice Shaper. Edit: Oh and Treasures too, obviously

Stubborn Burrowfiend: Ahhh! What the hell is the flavor supposed to be with that art?!

Kambal, Profiteering Mayor: Pretty cool with e.g. Saw in Half, Wedding Ring, and Tombstone Stairwell

Geralf, the Fleshwright: still not a good mono-U zombie commander but seems real good in the 99

Lilah, Undefeated Slickshot: so basically a multicolor Taigam, Ojutai Master/Ojer Pakpatiq, Deepest Epoch  Flip? Not bad.

Caustic Bronco: Could have been Dark Confidant on steroids, but mediocre thoughness and no evasion keeps its attack trigger from being reliable

Calamity, Galloping Inferno: somehow just a normal horse, not Elemental or anything.

Eriette, the Beguiler: gogo Enchant permanent! Also, every Licid is now a Dominating Licid

Obeka, Splitter of Seconds: suck it, The Ninth Doctor!

Coward_Token says... #2

new!Obeka + Court of Locthwain seems pretty wild. Bonus points for a surprise Hatred

April 1, 2024 6:05 a.m.

Niko9 says... #3

Big thumbs up, for everything, but especially for the "edgy hyno toad"! That's too good : )

April 1, 2024 7:48 a.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #4

At this rate, my only hope is for the Olivia pre-con, but I was hoping for a Seven Samurai/ The Magnificent Seven mechanically flavored Isshin card. It's admittedly a pretty narrow space to care about controlling Seven creatures in some way, but Aurelia, the Law Above gets kinda close with 5.

Idk, but just something I was hoping for in some fashion. Seven Samurai was something my dad showed me as a kid.

April 1, 2024 11:46 a.m.

Gleeock says... #5

Obeka, Splitter of Seconds is intriguing, I will be curious to see what it looks like to optimize the fine line of running the most upkeep trigger items vs. boosting Obeka.

The "Joins up" enchantments pack a punch, & some of them may be nice low-cost singles to pick up. Annie Joins up is a particularly potent mix between kill spell & triggered ability doubler. My Atla burn deck (dmg doublers/triplers) will go bonkers with that.

Roxanne, Starfall Savant is indeed a "titan" in ability. I may actually consider her for my commander to helm a deck. I like the ability to take out hatebears, Esper Sentinel, and planeswalkers; all this while ramping is pretty slick. Though I am not much for artifacts or extra combats, which I'm guessing she will naturally lean toward in many decklists.

Rakdos, the Muscle is probably most my speed. But, not sure I have a home for him.

Barron Bertram Greywater Haha, that name. My goodness, I will probably just call him "Barron Taintjuice" ... Makes me wonder if that card designer actually knows what "Gray water" is.

None of the "Face" commanders really do it for me. It seems like they often have conceptual troubles settling on a wedge for an archetype... So, is Jund going to be the land/graveyard colors or is Naya going to be?

One little keyword on the cactusfolk token that changes the game for Yuma though is that reach that little additiion to those tokens is a bit of a game-changer.

April 1, 2024 12:26 p.m.

legendofa says... #6

Saw Gisa, the Hellraiser, was interested, but she makes Zombie tokens. In my "strong maybe" pile. Still, any Skeleton presence is nice. Forsaken Miner has some good potential, again outclassed by Gravecrawler, but there's probably something that can shake out. Lord of the Forsaken, to make someone mill 3? Tinybones, the Pickpocket won't make a huge splash, but a 1/1 deathtouch with extra goodies can always find a home. Better set than average for Skeletons, but not explosive, and Zombies are still getting more stuff.

April 1, 2024 12:45 p.m.

legendofa says... #7

Also, I think I predicted the plot ability in the Card creation challenge thread, but I don't want to sign through 800+ pages.

Is there a way to search this site for a post with

  • alt!Cipher is fine the way it's written, because when it's cast, it leaves exile and goes onto the stack, and then straight to the graveyard. If it's exiled again, you can't recast it
April 1, 2024 12:59 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #8

I wish Kambal, Profiteering Mayor's first ability was worded so that you could choose when to get the copies. As is, "junk" token creations like from individual Smothering Tithe triggers can get in the way of more valuable ones.

With Breeches & Malcolm both branching out into a second color, I wish Gisa & Geralf would go respectively . Suits their personalities more.

April 2, 2024 1 a.m.

Coward_Token says... #9

"Delusions of Greed": Solid for Blim, Comedic Genius. Aside from all the obvious points you could make, the bats are also pretty good backup gifts.

April 3, 2024 11:04 a.m.

Crow_Umbra says... #10

In the stuff I've been brewing and tinkering so far, putting together an Outlaw deck has been pretty fun. I like Batching design space like Party and Outlaws, since they scratch that Typal/Tribal/Kindred itch for me. Generally speaking, I like how much more flexibility they allow for creature bases without railroading you into leaning into a single creature type.

Putting together a creature base for Outlaws has felt really fun, and cards like Black Market Connections feel even more flavorful in this context. I've mostly been focusing on Laughing Jasper Flint, and Olivia, Opulent Outlaw is a kind of distant second at this point.

April 3, 2024 11:35 a.m.


Obeka, Splitter of Seconds can technically do both at once with a little Voltron sub-theme Ring of Evos Isle, Ring of Valkas, and Ring of Xathrid go insane on her.

Roxanne, Starfall Savant looks good too. I wish I'd seen Obeka first, because I don't like building multiple decks at once, because a lot of the same ideas bleed over and cause me to lose focus, and that's already happened a little bit in building these two, but I'm excited to dip my toes into green and see how I like it. And she's right up my combat damage alley. I did attempt a flicker sub-theme, but might change gears back to full combat phases since that seemed a little more reliable.

April 3, 2024 3:16 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #12

AFAIK all cards are spoiled now.

The set managed to get me surprisingly hopeful by including Pirates in the Outlaw batch, only to make me disappointed. At most, the new Malcolm can replace a french vanilla flier in my Admiral Beckett Brass deck. At least Cactus Preserve can do some work with Ghalta, Primal Hunger.

Felix Five-Boots and Vihaan, Goldwaker are pretty neat

April 4, 2024 4:12 p.m.

TheoryCrafter says... #13

My thoughts:

Wasn't underwhelming. A little disappointed Kellan was still naive even after spending all that time on Ravnica. I get it. Its his father. But when Kellan had to go searching the multiverse for him one would think there'd be enough sense to approach with caution. Jace being the big bad for this one was a nice twist. In reading the story I found it a little odd Vraska was conversing with Ashiok and not Malcolm and Breeches but since Jace was in disguise it makes sense. I liked how all the villains interacted with one another. As much as Rakdos allowing someone to ride him again after telling Gideon it wouldn't was a nice gag, I hope it doesn't become a recurring one. It would only take away from his menacing persona.
The epilogue was awesome for sending Jace and Vraska to Vryn, and explains Jace and Vraska's morality over the course of the story. However I hope whatever they have planned doesn't make him a permanent big bad.

About the cards:

I wanted Kellan to be another adventure card. That would have made a great commander clash. Hoefully the people at mtggoldfish do it anyway.

2 mana Jace. Leyline of Anticipation just made Jace Tribal dangerous. Speaking of Dangerous, Rest in Peace and Torpor Orb are now Standard legal due to The Big Score.

If you run a Flashback deck on Commander, Legacy or Vintage, be sure to find a spot for Forger's Foundrys. Once you cast the spell from the graveyard using the mana from this card, you can activate the non mana ability and turn it on into a combo loop.

You can tell from the art in Smuggler's Surprise someone visited Theros.

I think Vraska Joins Up will eventually provide redundancy for, or replace, Archetype of Finality in a lotta decks. Mainly due to mana costs.

I don't know where Deepmuck Desperado is going, but into at least one of my decks.

When building decks with the desert lands with the etb 1 damage triggers, if yer running black, be sure to consider Piranha Marsh.

If you build a commander deck around the new Eriette card be sure to add Willbreaker for redundancy.

No commander cards giving griffins, horses, pegususes and/or unicorns mount. Why did they even bother with it?

What is the point of having a plot ability that costs more than the spell's mana value?

April 4, 2024 9:06 p.m.

legendofa says... #14

Satoru, the Infiltrator dredge. You heard it here first, folks.

April 5, 2024 3:12 a.m.

sergiodelrio says... #15

legendofa would also nicely fit into a cheerios variant imho... Glimpse of Nature on a stick, if built correctly

Heck, fetch Dryad Arbor, draw a card, wtf

April 5, 2024 5:44 a.m. Edited.

Coward_Token says... #16

legendofa: you're going to have to spell it out for me. I'm guessing you're planning on doing some kind of sac loop where creatures dredge each outer out using Satoru's draw trigger, but how are you getting them on the field without casting?

April 5, 2024 11:19 a.m.

legendofa says... #17

Coward_Token Some of the key creatures in Dredge are Narcomoeba, Prized Amalgam, and Silversmote Ghoul. Each of these has a way to jump from the graveyard to the battlefield for free--Narco by milling, Ghoul from Creeping Chill, and Amalgam whenever either of the other two does its thing. So those can all trigger Satoru, the Infiltrator, who lets you draw, which can be replaced by more dredging.

The main problem is that Dredge is already a tight decklist, and Satoru doesn't really offer anything new, just a new way to do something it's already doing. I'm not sure how well it can replace Cathartic Reunion or whatever in Modern, and it's probably way out of place in Legacy and Vintage.

April 5, 2024 12:34 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #18

Thanks for the explanation, EDH brainrot gives me format tunnel vision

Wanted to build Vihaan, Goldwaker but I think I'll just wait for Assassin's Creed for the sake of kindred support.

April 6, 2024 9:38 a.m.

legendofa says... #19

Coward_Token It could be an interesting EDH deck. Satoru on top, a bunch of self-mill and discard, the bits of a 60-card Dredge deck, some reanimator stuff. Not sure how well it would work, but it sounds fun. I might try it.

April 6, 2024 12:57 p.m.

Coward_Token says... #20

For crime commanders, Tetzimoc, Primal Death is a reliable source of targeting.

April 11, 2024 1:59 a.m.

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