Stoic Rebuttal

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Modern Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Casual Legal
Pauper EDH Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Modern Masters 2015 Edition (MM2) Common
Scars of Mirrodin (SOM) Common

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Stoic Rebuttal

Instant

Metalcraft — Stoic Rebuttal costs {{1}} less to cast if you control three or more artifacts.

Counter target spell.

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Stoic Rebuttal Discussion

hkhssweiss on Masters of your Mind

2 days ago

Aaerys No problem!

Yes definitely keep the artifact synergy, honestly if you don't like the combo approach and want to go for the more interaction routes with fun things to play (like playing with other people's deck ;3) than I would suggest more protection, counterspells, artifact synergy, card draw, as well as interaction.

Here is a list of some additional cards that I found useful and within the $20 or less range.


Protection:

Propaganda

Vanishing

Ghostly Prison

Aura of Silence

Damping Sphere

Collective Restraint

Phyrexian Revoker

Ethersworn Canonist

Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir

Venser, Shaper Savant

These cards will make opponents less likely to hit you, or will at least slow them down enough for you to interact with them.


Counterspells:

Mana Leak

Dispel

Muddle the Mixture

Stoic Rebuttal

Remand

Spell Pierce

Arcane Denial

A couple more useful counters, best one I like to use for Sen Triplets is cards like Remand, Muddle (because the 2 cmc transmute comes in clutch), and Arcane Denial as it gives more options to choose from their hand.


Synergy:

Shimmer Myr

Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage

Trophy Mage

Crystal Shard

Reshape

Strionic Resonator

Voltaic Key

Paradox Engine

Aetherflux Reservoir

Academy Ruins

Shimmer Myr and Raff Capashen are honestly auto include in my opinion, giving the ability to flash in your commander and not waiting to wait one whole turn before her upkeep effect is amazing, it also allows us to hold up mana to interact with other players before deciding what we can do. The curve is also great since Shimmer Myr is 3 cmc and Raff is 4 cmc, we can hold mana for our counterspells and interactions and if the coast is clear flash in Sen. Trophy Mage is for the redundancy that you have more than a likely chance of tutoring your Shimmer Myr or Crystal Shard (Shard always makes sure that your opponent will be reluctant to tap out and thus preventing them to cast more creature spells). Voltaic Key is there just for more fun shenanigans, I always like having them in these type of artifact decks. Academy Ruins is a card I would highly recommend investing into, it saves your artifacts, it allows recursion, and if the case where Sen dies, you won't have to consistently pay the tax for it with this card on the field.

On another note Paradox Engine is a powerful card, it allows you to gain extreme amount of value, hence the reason you would want to include more mana rocks into the deck. I added Aetherflux into list in the case you want to close out a game, since you are running Isochron Scepter already, adding in Dramatic Reversal will be your win con and also allows you to net infinite mana and play your opponents hand if you so would choose. The playstyle is all there for you to choose ;3


Card Draw:

Mystic Remora

Sphinx's Revelation

Windfall

Notion Thief

Consecrated Sphinx

Time Warp

Some choice cards I like to use, Notion Thief is there for them really sneaky plays when there is a mass Windfall or if someone taps out for a burst draw. Sphinx is a high power card engine. The time warp is there for just pure value.


Interactions:

Anguished Unmaking

Snap

Capsize

Into the Roil

Unsubstantiate

Toxic Deluge

Return to Dust

Dark Petition

Forsake the Worldly

Dramatic Reversal

Tower of the Magistrate

Some notable cards are like Snap, which untaps your land and bounces the creature back to their hand, pure value if its your turn next as now you will be able to cast that creature as well! Capsize is also a deadly card, as you can bounce their land and then play the land you bounced on your turn with Sen on the field, buyback is also killer (I have people scooped many times when I used this trick 1v1). Tower of Magistrate is really interesting against other people playing with artifacts (This auto de-quips voltron commanders!). A lot of these spells can also be copied on to Isochron Scepter making them extremely useful for you to control your opponent and allowing them what spells they can play, bouncing the spells you want to play from their deck, and removing the cards you don't like.


Ramp:

Thought Vessel

One more card which is a great mana rock.


Hopefully this gives you a better idea of a Control Sen Triplets shell, I think you can tell that this was one of my favorite decks before I retired her ;P

JohnnyBoyG on Charging! (infinite turns, charge counters)

1 month ago

Your mana base feels a bit greedy. I know you rarely need colored mana, but when you do, you need a lot of it-you have 7 cards that require at least two colored sources of mana, and you'll need more if you want to play more in one turn. Some of your colorless-producing lands are questionable anyway.

Mirrodin's Core only has synergy with Power Conduit, and it rarely comes up. And the downside is way to severe. If you are using it for colored mana, you can only use it every other turn.

Darksteel Citadel has some uses. You can discard it to Thirst for Knowledge, have it reduce the cost of Stoic Rebuttal, or use it as a sink for charge counters. But overall, these don't actually add much. In particular, you need to have exactly 2 other artifacts, 2 blue mana sources, and a plan for all of your other mana to have it actually synergize with Stoic Rebuttal. (Otherwise you're having one mana unused, which would have paid the third mana anyway.) Overall, it just doesn't help you that much, and it will delay a Winding Constrictor or Stoic Rebuttal more than it does anything good.

Academy Ruins is the most justifiable, and you should probably keep it.

I would recommend using a more traditional mana base, maybe 8 fetches, 4 shocks, 4 basics, 4 fastlands, and 2 Academy Ruins.

legendofa on Card creation challenge

2 months ago

Mind Seize

Instant

Target opponent reveals his or her hand. You may choose an instant or sorcery card in that player's hand and cast it without paying its mana cost. If you don't, that player discards their hand and draws that many cards.


Wizard's Retort, Overwhelming Denial, and Stoic Rebuttal are all basically Counterspell under the right circumstances. Give another old card this same treatment.

Wintermoon on Dakkon Blackblade Resharpened

2 months ago

Ok, as promised I arrived home and I'm going to help you out, I'll redo the suggestions I did on reddit and complete with the rest.

I would add Liliana of the Dark Realms to tutor some swamps, altho you already have several things to fetch lands, so it is up to you if you feel the need for it. Hatred is a card I recommend 100%, it's great as a finisher, and if your commander already has lifelink even better. If you can afford a Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth then Nightmare Lash and Lashwrithe are good additions aswell. Weathered Wayfarer, Herald of Leshrac, Leonin Shikari, Oreskos Explorer, Taj-Nar Swordsmith, Divine Reckoning, Bloodforged Battle-Axe, Grappling Hook and/or Fireshrieker, Felidar Umbra, Hammer of Nazahn, Infiltration Lens, Kusari-Gama, Thaumatic Compass  Flip, Myriad Landscape, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, Phyrexian Arena, Vona's Hunger, Crucible of Worlds. Torment of Hailfire and Exsanguinate are always good finishers in a black deck, and since you will be tutoring lands a lot you can guarantee a good value for X.

Also if your playgroup plays a lot with graveyard consider Bojuka Bog.

I think with the colors you have and playing Voltron you should add some pillowfort stuff to the deck, like: Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Collective Restraint, Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts, No Mercy, Dread, Baird, Steward of Argive, Windborn Muse, Michiko Konda, Truth Seeker, maybe Darien, King of Kjeldor could work too.

From what you already have on the deck I would remove the following cards: Darksteel Ingot and Fellwar Stone are not necesary, I know both of these are fixing but you already have several lands with 2 colors and plenty of land fetching, you don't need these. Helm of the Host is great, I love this equipment but in this specific deck I am not sure if it is worth it. At least not for the commander imo, but to use it on the other creatures you have that offer utility, specially the ones with ETB or the "propaganda" creatures, then it is definitly worth to keep in the deck. Lightning Greaves is loved by so many people but I don't really like it much, I mean the 0 equip is great, plus the haste but I don't like shroud, yes it protects your crature but also screws you, while it is equipped you can't equip other stuff on the same creature or enchant it, etc... So if you have no other creature to swap it and allow you to target your commander again you are basicly screwed, I don't think it is worth to occupy a slot with it. Same goes for Whispersilk Cloak, blue already gives you unblockable if you want, not worth to have this with the downside of shroud, I'd rather replace it with Aqueous Form for example. Mask of Avacyn is nice to protect your commander but that's all it gives, if you need a slot for something this is a card I would remove. Vedalken Orrery... You don't need this, I know the ability is nice and quite tempting but in a voltron deck you don't really need this, I would only keep it if there was a free slot with nothing better to put in it, but even then I think I'd rather add some equipment or aura instead of this. Baleful Strix is nice but for 1 more mana I'd rather have Phyrexian Arena in play, much better. Dreamscape Artist is nice if you can play lands from the graveyard, with Crucible of Worlds and similar cards, which btw is a nice recommendation for the deck, Crucible of Worlds would help you get your lands back when facing land destroyers or milling decks. Also not sure about Emeria Shepherd, I mean you can deffinitly trigger her several times, but idk. I would test the deck with her and see how she does, if she doesn't seem to be useful most of the times I would replace her, for example for the same CMC I would prefer Herald of Leshrac, much more synergy with your commander. Jhoira's Familiar is nice too, but again it is also one I would remove IF a slot is needed for something else. I'm also not sure about Walking Atlas, I think most of the times it will be a dead card on the board because you won't have land cards in hand at some point, making him generally a wasted spot on the deck. Yes he can be great in some situations, but when putting cards in a deck you gotta try and put the cards that will be good in any stage of the game, not only sometimes, and this guy is one of those "sometimes" cards. I also think you don't need Disallow and Stoic Rebuttal. I mean as someone who likes to play blue, I know how good and safe it feels to have some counterspells but in this specific deck you don't need that many, I would even say none but since you are playing blue anyway, 1 or 2 could be helpful but no more than that, remember the goal of the deck is commander damage, you already have a lot of protection for your commander in equipments and/or auras, you don't really need counterspells to protect him, so if you need slots for other cards I would even say remove all counterspells. I'm not a fan of Detention Sphere in commander, yes if your opponents have the same card in play it is great, but most of the times it won't happen, again it is one of those cards that are good sometimes but not always so I'd take it out. Regarding your lands I don't like much of Submerged Boneyard and Forsaken Sanctuary, Sunken Hollow and Caves of Koilos would be 2 good replacements that are not very expensive. I would also remove Temple of the False God and put instead some basic land, I mean yeah that 1 extra mana is nice and can help you but I'd rather have 1 more basic land to fetch with the artifacts, etc.

To sum it up, I think this deck works best as a mainly W/B deck with a splash of blue, for some of the Propaganda effects it provides plus the evasion and card draw/selection. Other than that what you want for Voltron and to fetch lands you will find it on white, black and colorless.

One small note, I think you have way too many things to fetch basic lands, maybe you could cut down 1 or 2, not sure. That's one of those things that require some playtesting, never played with so many so I am not sure how good or bad it can be.

That's all I guess. I bet there are some more good things for this deck but I don't know it all, yet! I know some of my suggestions are not budget but you can just add them to the aquireboard section, for one day later if you decided to include them.

Helping you out with this deck hyped me to try and make one with Korlash, Heir to Blackblade, as a nod to your own deck. If you ever need anything don't hesitate to contact me here or on reddit.

Hope my suggestions were helpful, and kick your friends's asses with Dakkon. Stay well :)

Gattison on Prague-Rock

2 months ago

Daarkest: Literally, just because I feel bad for poor, little, neglected Stoic Rebuttal. =\ If I'm driving down the road, and I see the person in front of me hit-and-run a Magic card, I'll pull over, take the card home, care for it, nurse it back to health and help it get a job. It's just what I do. =P

(Good suggestion though, seriously. And I'll probably end up switching over to Counterspell or Mana Leak after a bit more testing. =] )

Daarkest on Prague-Rock

2 months ago

Why Stoic Rebuttal instead of Counterspell?

patrickd117 on Saheeli the Rai

3 months ago

I don't love Broodstar, Etherium-Horn Sorcerer.

Trash for Treasure has never been good for me. Star of Extinction costs too much imo.

Everflowing Chalice is strictly better than Ur-Golem's Eye. Counterspell is strictly better than Stoic Rebuttal.

I feel like Saheeli's best ability is her second by a pretty wide margin, so I think adding higher cmc stuff to cast off that could be good.

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