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Martyr of Frost
Creature — Human Wizard
(2), Reveal X blue cards from your hand, Sacrifice Martyr of Frost: Counter target spell unless its controller pays (X).
Martyr of Frost Discussion
1 month ago
Been a while since I updated this deck, but M20 has a new 2 drop evasion creature.
1 month ago
drunksementhrowr We can discuss the deck here, or you're free to post on my profile!
The combo pieces have definitely seen some adjustments. The biggest change is the removal of Laboratory Maniac . Labman was high in CMC, and has no value outside the combo turn. Effectively, Labman is a complete dead draw if we aren't winning. This does mean that the self mill combo line has weakened, as Dread Return into labman on an empty library was a nice way to win. However, I think removing the labman line is correct. While it certainly can lead to wins, there are many parts during the line where you can be interrupted or have your win shut off. With our other lines, we can try another combo attempt later. The labman line is very all-in, once we have no cards in library we are either going to win the game or lose extremely soon. Labman also requires creatures in play, which we can't always guarantee, and a card that makes us draw, which we won't always have in hand.
To put it simply, it requires many deck slots, it does nothing besides win, its easy to shut off, and there is risk of a loss from doing it. I'm not saying labman is a bad combo by any means, but I think for this particular deck, adding consistency to the other combos is more important. Ad Nauseam acts as our most important win, and will let us assemble an infinite mana loop. After we have the loop, we use Lazav to copy and use Death Cultist or Bile Urchin to win. In the small amount of testing I've done on it, I like how it performs a bit better.
Some of the other cards offer support. Mindlash Sliver gives us a way to empty player hands, and protects our combo if we have infinite mana by discarding hand for everyone with Lazav. Martyr of Bones we can sacrifice for 0, which will let us mill out with infinite mana and Lazav, it also provides targeted grave hate which we can value time and again with Lazav. Martyr of Frost is a recurable effect with Lazav, which will help us with value in longer games. Unfortunately, we can't use the Martyr of Frost as a sac outlet to surveil with Lazav. Scheming Symmetry is another cheap tutor that does have a drawback, but the synergy with tutor to top to mill with surveil is strong.
The self mill lines have lost some extreme value without labman. However, we can choose to stop our self mill before we deck ourselves. Assembling the self mill combos is still strong, because we can Dread Return and copy with Lazav to recur an infinite mana combo. While our creature based combos require haste or an untap, the Orb + Alchemist combo can be used at the end step before our turn and we copy with Lazav so we can untap to combo, similar to how Ad Nauseam is played. Greaves + Cephalid has lost a lot of value though, and self milling somewhere between 30-80 cards it requires to assemble a combo in graveyard will not only make you a target but also telegraph the play. Considering removing the cephalid combo for deck space, but testing will reveal. I think the natural arc of this deck will bend towards replacing as many value cards with creatures as possible, and future printings will certainly draw our eyes.
I appreciate your interest in the deck and would love to hear about how it performs. Feel free to start an offshoot brew and replace some cards! I'm most curious to know how extra gas cards work in the build, and what you would replace for more gas. I hope this explanation helps a bit! After some more testing and brewing I will update the primer
7 months ago
I'm not sure of your budget nor how competitive you want this deck to be, but Azami is a very VERY powerful build. If you want more suggestions, just ask.
1 year ago
Martyr of Frost seems pretty eh, but I guess has potential to be sweet.
Spellbook is just a no. Like please dear god no.
I'm just going to assume you have the best options for the unblockable 1/1s, because there are a lot out there.
1 year ago
IronBlackZepp I tend to disagree with the statement that Siren Stormtamer is the only good counter spell creature. In fact I'd go as far to say that it's probably the worst of the counterspell creatures that this deck plays in terms of cEDH. Cursecatcher and Martyr of Frost tend to be good at stopping early shenanigans, whereas Stormtamer's ability is generally most relevant when we have our commander. I also disagree with Intuition over Fact or Fiction. FoF is played in literally every other mono-blue deck. Intuition was at one point more playable in this list because I still played Mind Over Matter. Now that it has been cut there aren't really many good Intuition piles that are worth it. Other mono blue decks tend to play Intuition because they can recur things from their yard more easily like Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip or they play more cards they can combo out with. I also don't know if Manifold Insights is worth it either, especially because of it's game by game variance. In a 3 player game it becomes a lot worse and I don't believe that wizards are worth cutting for it at this point in time. I don't think that your idea of cutting down to 8 wizards is bad necessarily, but you'll have to find replacements for them that will be efficient card draw or counter magic both of which aren't exactly abundant.
1 year ago
Me and my friends are doing a $100 modern tournament, I've put together a UR delver list running delver, young pyro, stormchaser and swiftspear. With 12 cantrips (visions opt ect) and a basic control package. I'm loving how the deck has run in playtesting BUT i haven't been impressed with stormchaser or swifty.
So my options are either get more aggressive and loose the control OR change up my creature bass to better support my tempo play.
I'd stay tempo/control based so i need help with suggestions on creatures
I've looked at
are there any that i'm missing?thanks for any advice
on Sky Wizards
1 year ago
@Lumix1640 Hi there! I would love to explain how the deck works!
In the early game, you want to flood the board with some cheap Wizards - Sage of Epityr to give you some card selection (Evolving Wilds is here to shuffle away unwanted cards), Martyr of Frost as a cheap counterspell, Spellstutter Sprite for the same reason, etc., and then play a bomb threat like a Master of Waves to blow your opponents away. As you'll rarely be attacking with your 1/1 early Wizards, you can use them to draw cards with Sky Hussar, too.
2 years ago
Hello, from your post i just realized that i am not the only person who is tinkering with a deck built around Skaab Ruinator
So here is what ideas i came up with till now:
1# Build an all in deck with the best cheap mill spells, Hedron Crab, Minister of Inquiries, Shriekhorn (a few - as its sadly an artifact), Dream Twist, Contingency Plan - ad 3 playsets of "real" creatures Narcomoeba, Skaab Ruinator, Eternal Scourge - and a flex slot, that at the moment i fill with Stitchwing Skaab, but it could be Magus of the Bazaar.
The problem is that this version has obvious problems with stuff like Path to Exile, (and grave hate) despite being really fast.
2# Build a deck that abuses Gifts Ungiven with Skaab Ruinator as win condition (since this creature doesn't need slots devoted to Unburial Rites.
In such a shell Mulldrifter, Shriekmaw, Plaxmanta + Pit Keeper as a worse Snapcaster Mage would do well.
For turn one stuff like Siren Stormtamer/Martyr of Frost or stuff like Vampire Cutthroat would be ideal.
P.s.:Laboratory Maniac is a trap - for this deck.
There are alternatives that are a lot better - like Psychic Spiral + Mystic Retrieval which can work out of the graveyard, and mill the opponent out of nowhere.
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