You have like 6 too many lands

Overall the list looks good. A few improvements I would recommend however:

• Starved Rusalka is better than Caregiver. You run both Gaea's Cradle as well as the infinite mana line off Devoted Druid, which both produce green mana. Rusalka can use that mana where Caregiver can't.

• Skullclamp is so so so good. Hell, I run Stoneforge Mystic in my list with only two equipment, primarily as a clamp tutor. I'm really surprised it's not in the list.

• Beast Within/Generous Gift are excellent removal. Would rate them over Oblation. Unexpectedly Absent is also good, though not as good as the other two.

• I would also recommend Yisan, the Wanderer Bard. This guy does some serious work, especially if the game starts getting a bit drawn out.

enpc

Solid ideas bud. Will do some testing tonight and see how i like em.

I did originally have Skullclamp in, but as the deck progressed, i found it wanting. Only being good half the time and never being so great i just HAD to have it. Ill do a retest, but im not so sure about that one

So a few other thoughts on the list (I saw your forum post):

You're running a few stax pieces (Aven Mindcensor, Gaddock Teeg) however these cards a generally less good that just progressing your win condidition if you're only running a few of them. I have seen Saffi stax builds before (Weenie Hut Jr is a good example and we have discussed many aspects of Saffi decks), however you need to devote more cards to it. Otherwise you won't get the value you want from it and you're just better off focusing on your win condition.

I also don't think that the Devoted Druid/Vizier of Remedies combo adds enough here. It's not like you're pairing it with Duskwatch Recruiter  ^Flip + Walking Ballista or something (and no, I don't recommend just adding this to the deck). The problem is that there's no real line with the combo. It's not like you can even assemble it plus Claws of Gix + Soul of the Harvest + Saffi to draw your deck, since you still can't spam Saffi from the command zone as you can't produce white mana. So the best case scenario is it enables a five card combo, as most of your other sac outlets are free and can at least form a 4 card combo with Altar of the Brood. In that same vein, I don't think that Claws of Gix adds much value either. I get that it's a sac outlet, however having these on creatures is generally better as you will have an easier time tutoring creatures and any artifact/enchantment tutoring is worth so much in Saffi since it can find stuff like Blasting Station.

On the other hand, I'm surprised you're not running Eldritch Evolution here. The card is awesome at setting up all kinds of combos as well as doing sneaky Grand Abolisher deployment (by sacing a medium cost creature, since you can get "X or less").

enpc

Interesting...

Mindcensor and Teeg are mostly in as midcombo protectors, but i could definitely see a cut if a better option were presented. Linvala is similar, but she at least has utility outside the combo. So I'm a bit medium on her.

I mostly have the Devoted Vizier combo in as a backup kickstarter. Redundancy and all that. Slapping a quick hulk down with a sac outlet and such. I could "possibly"see it for the reasons above, but it seems to perform well enough so i can't justify at the current moment if at any point they start to underperform though, definitely.

I originally had Eldritch Evolution in, but cut it as it seemed to underperform. That maybe be different in the current version though.

And i can totally see the issue with Claws of Gix. Only problem with that is the lack of half decent sac outlets in my colors. Turns out a couple bad ones that are easy to play color wise or cost wise, I've found them playable. By all means though give me some Better ones to replace em. I'm like begging at this point, lol.

Anyways, here's what I'm thinking for testing.

Maindeck

-1x Gaddock Teeg

-1x Aven Mindcensor

+1x Caregiver

+1x Eldritch Evolution

Thoughts on that for testing?

With regards to sac outlets, I actually made the decision a while ago to cut the number of outlets down in my list, in place of more card advantage and honestly I can say that I have found it to be better. There are 4 main sac outlets that I focus on, Blasting Station, Altar of Dementia, Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar. I also sport Starved Rusalka and Greater Good (which is insane btw with the release of Renegade Rallier), however that's really all the repeatable outlets I run.

The reasoning I found was that while you can run a bunch of sac outlets, ultimately you can create lots of combinations that don't do anything. For example, Saffi Eriksdotter + Karmic Guide + Fanatical Devotion, while being an infinite combo, doesn't actually achieve anything for the deck. And while you can add Soul of the Harvest for card draw, you now need 4 cards to generate value and even still can potentially not have the mana required to do anything as a follow up.

I appreciate that adding the Boonweaver Giant combo into the deck kind of skews the number of sacrifice outlets you want to run in the deck. That being said, generally if you're going to run the boonweaver combo then that should be the central focus of the deck, with the rest of the list leaning into supporting the combo. So cards like Idyllic Tutor are going to make the deck a lost stronger as you want more options to get a sac outlet and then get either boonwevaer or pattern down and then go from there. For me personally, I elected not to try and integrate this as a combo since I felt that it was strongest with the addition of black for the creature based support that is offered there. But again, I still think the general premise of "less situational sac outlets, more tutors/draw" will ultiamtely be beneficial for the deck.

As for the swaps you've suggested, I think that they seem decent, I personally would have gone for more draw over Caregiver but at the end of the day you need to build a list that's comfortable for your playstyle.

enpc

A solid point. I run a few more because Idyllic Tutor is slow, and theres pretty much no other solid tutors that find artifacts and enchants. Ill prob end up running Idyllic over Caregiver though.

I think the biggest issue between us is that our builds do two VERY different things and two VERY different speeds. It would be hard for either of us to give any amount of help on each others deck because they're completely different. It kinda sucks, but it's meh. Thats the problem with a commander as versatile as Saffi Eriksdotter.

Definitely thanks for the help i got so far though.

How does the Dryad Arbor have haste?

Some real nice tech that is being used by a lot of decks currently is Angel's Grace. It is being popularized because of how rough it is to stop fish hulk, but it also prevents your opponents from winning in any way they could think of for 1 turn. If a player blows their payload to beat the table, you angels grace and depending on the opponent's win con it could be only you and them left. One more chance to beat them.

RNR_Gaming

It doesnt need it. Being both a creature and a land, it can be slotted into the infinite etb combo. And with Lotus Cobra, it makes infinite mana on entry, rather than on tap. Some neat tech not a lot of people know about.

GhostChieftain

I've been noticing that a lot recently. Its honestly probably just straight up better than Silence these days. Thoughts on that?

I dunno about straight up better, but very similar at the very least. Each could be considered better in different situations. It is def better vs fish hulk though

GhostChieftain

Definitely good enough of a reason to try it out considering Fish-Hulk's lame yet effective plan.

Silence and Angel's Grace do different things. While you can lock a player out mid combo with Silence, one of its prime functions is to protect your combo. Angel's Grace (especailly in a list sans Ad Nauseam) is that it's a reactive piece to stop other people from winning (or from taking a crapload of damage).

enpc

Lol I'm aware. I may be stupid, but I'm not an idiot. Considering the built in resilience and the fact that Grand Abolisher comes out first, Silence is mostly unnecessary.

Whereas Angel's Grace can just kill players in the event that beat a t3-t4 average. I personally think the change is obvious.

Nillstan: Wasn't implying that, thought I would just throw it out there :P

These days, I have found Silence to be as good, sometimes better than Grand Abolisher. Don't get me wrong, I've done some sneaky Abolisher deploys before, but I find that Silence is super flexible. And unless your playgroup is showing lots of fish hulk lists, I would probably still take Silence over Angel's Grace in this build since it does more for your game plan.

enpc

Eh the meta changes every week, but Fish-Hulk is pretty common. Could go either way tbh.

I have a super similar list: But I would definitely add Acidic Slime over Archon of Justice. It fits better into the reveillark loop, though it has less versatility. I'd also add Finale of Devastation,Reclamation Sage or Manglehorn, AND DEFINITELY Skullclamp. Also, Open the Armory, as it can find Pattern of Rebirth AND Skullclamp

the__odysseus

On Archon vs Slime: I prefer versatility over raw power in an unsure meta.

On Finale, Rec Sage, and Manglehorn: Finale never seemed to preform for me. Could be different now, worth a retest. I love the addition of Manglehorn, but Rec Sage is a strictly worse KoA so I'mma pass on it.

On Skullclamp and Open the Armory: Much as I like Clamp in a deck like this, I never seem to have time for it. 9 times out of 10 it was stuck is hand as I assembled the combo, which is a major loss in consistency that I'm just not about. No reason to play dead cards. Consequentially, I can't really play Open the Armory. Much as I want to because it cheaply finds Pattern, without a second target there's no real point. I can retest it, but let's just say I'm less than jazzed with it.

Thanks for the comment brah.

Not to be down on the deck, cause i've seen the list and the idea. Its boonweaver Karador. without black. Find a way to give your opponents infinite dudes and run Suture Priest to kill your opponents off that way. Karador requires a blood artist like effect to win. but he uses the saffi tricks to get there, which is what your deck is doing. So you want to run any way to damage your opponents on creature ETB or leaving play. (Typically black, but New Phyrexia broke the color pie with Suture Priest) this also allows Hulk to get your suture priest to play and start comboing off while you gain life off of suture priest with your creatures etbing. if you can find a way to give your opponent creatures at will, you can just win the game. maybe instead of saffi do Pheldagriff to generate the hippos for your opponent and win off of suture priest. Just something to think about

ShaDoWz_6677

See the thing about that plan is that Karador can reliably make something like that happen.

Making Saffi do that would require me to dilute the deck with alternate conditions that dont really work with what I'm doing. At the point where I'm going for Hulk or Boonweaver, I just win anyway.

Why would i need a second plan that doesn't help the deck in the slightest?

the 2nd plan is easy. you dont run RIP. So if you mill a kozilek to the grave, they shuffle and your doing the mill for nothing.

always plan ahead.

ShaDoWz_6677

That's what I have Blasting Station and Walking Ballista for. To work in the Suture Priest, I'd have to figure out some way to consistently give my opponents infinite creatures. THEN it would have to be strong and consistent enough to compete with my several current plans.

All I can tell you is I'll try it, but needless to say I'm skeptical.

If you were going to go down the route of giving an opponent infinite creatures, using Forbidden Orchard and either untapping it or sacrificing it/returning it is the easiest way to go about this (I used to do this is a Damia deck and then play Massacre Wurm). Though to be honest, the strategy is not a good one. You introduce waaaaaay to many moving parts that are either a pain to run duplicates of or you flat out can't.

ShaDoWz_6677: The thing about the boonweaver combo is that it's used to deploy your already insular combos in both Karador and Saffi. The trick is though that in Karador you have access to sacrifice outlets attached to creatures. But ultimately you're attempting to do the same thing. So regardless of the "win condition" portion of the loop, you still have to actually form the loop. And in green/white, that means that you need to find a way fo deploying a non-creature based sacrifice outlet onto the field. After that, the deck is gravy. But adding in additonal win conditions that don't really add to the deck outside of that particular line is just going to dilute the deck, not make it stronger.

enpc

Precisely. Leave it to literally the only other Saffi player to back me up, lmao.

How's Oakhame Adversary been going for you? Also, what're your thoughts on Luminous Broodmoth from Ikora? I am on the fence about this one. Not sure if it's worth testing out, but seems like it could be interesting.