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(Green), Sacrifice a creature: You gain 1 life.
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Starved Rusalka Discussion
1 month ago
With regards to sac outlets, I actually made the decision a while ago to cut the number of outlets down in my list, in place of more card advantage and honestly I can say that I have found it to be better. There are 4 main sac outlets that I focus on, Blasting Station, Altar of Dementia, Ashnod's Altar and Phyrexian Altar. I also sport Starved Rusalka and Greater Good (which is insane btw with the release of Renegade Rallier), however that's really all the repeatable outlets I run.
The reasoning I found was that while you can run a bunch of sac outlets, ultimately you can create lots of combinations that don't do anything. For example, Saffi Eriksdotter + Karmic Guide + Fanatical Devotion, while being an infinite combo, doesn't actually achieve anything for the deck. And while you can add Soul of the Harvest for card draw, you now need 4 cards to generate value and even still can potentially not have the mana required to do anything as a follow up.
I appreciate that adding the Boonweaver Giant combo into the deck kind of skews the number of sacrifice outlets you want to run in the deck. That being said, generally if you're going to run the boonweaver combo then that should be the central focus of the deck, with the rest of the list leaning into supporting the combo. So cards like Idyllic Tutor are going to make the deck a lost stronger as you want more options to get a sac outlet and then get either boonwevaer or pattern down and then go from there. For me personally, I elected not to try and integrate this as a combo since I felt that it was strongest with the addition of black for the creature based support that is offered there. But again, I still think the general premise of "less situational sac outlets, more tutors/draw" will ultiamtely be beneficial for the deck.
As for the swaps you've suggested, I think that they seem decent, I personally would have gone for more draw over Caregiver but at the end of the day you need to build a list that's comfortable for your playstyle.
1 month ago
Overall the list looks good. A few improvements I would recommend however:
Starved Rusalka is better than Caregiver. You run both Gaea's Cradle as well as the infinite mana line off Devoted Druid, which both produce green mana. Rusalka can use that mana where Caregiver can't.
I would also recommend Yisan, the Wanderer Bard. This guy does some serious work, especially if the game starts getting a bit drawn out.
5 months ago
cgomes, no they're not great on their own. Other than Salvagers getting back things like a destoyed mana vault of crypt, whatever. Not very useful, which is why I originally cut it.
I tried the Kiki loops with Hulk. First pile was Karmic Guide and Phyrexian Dreadnought . Second pile was Kiki and Skirk Prospector , but again Skirk and Dreadnought are dead draws so I cut them too. You can just go blood pod style and run Village Bell Ringer, Felidar Guardian , etc but my idea was to make Marath more combo focused and less staxy.
I have tried Food Chain. And while it's a great card for Marath, you can't actually win unless you have an Altar out to start converting into other mana to machine gun the table. All Food Chain really does alone is make Marath Infinite/Infinite if you're using a CFE creature like Squee, the Immortal . I liked it, just wasn't reliable in my own testing.
But as I've said, this deck is really just my own prototype for a competitive Marath. It definitely needs tuning, adjusting, finding what works.
Also, there's 3 sac outlets, and there's Starved Rusalka I think it? The green one. I've also been toying with Greater Good . There's Pattern, Sneak Attack, Hunting Grounds , though you'd have to have threshold and a reliable opponent. There's ways in Naya. Just not as good as UBG
1 year ago
You could get Combat Celebrant and Eternal Witness letting you replay hulk (assuming you can save him twice) which then lets you get Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker who does combo with celebrant. You're still looking at a lot of mana but if you used something like Starved Rusalka as your sac outlet, you'd be in the 16 mana ballpark.
1 year ago
The Yisan line goes:
From here, between Priest of Titania and your other elf dork you're able to generate infinite green mana thanks to a loop with Saffi Eriksdotter, Village Bell-Ringer and Reveillark with Starved Rusalka as your sac outlet. From there you can swap bell-ringer for Felidar Guardian to convert green mana to white mana.
My issue is that that this only nets me infinite mana, not an actual win condition. I was thinking of using a 6 drop fetch to potentially get me the rest of the way.
So two questions:
What're people's thoguhts on the viability of the combo, and;
What would be the best 6 drop creature to use in the deck?
1 year ago
I'm surprised not to see Phyrexian Altar here - it's broken good and lets your recur Saffi from the command zone with any loop and an ETB draw card creature. It's much better than both Martyr's Cause and Fanatical Devotion.
1 year ago
Golfrolax: My issue with both the Boonweaver combo and Hulk is that without a repeatable sac outlet, they just act as a once off tutor. The deck only runs 5 repeatable sac outlets and of that 2 are immediate win conditions, 1 is a card draw engine and the other two generate infinite mana (I can generally set up a card draw engine given infinite mana).
If the deck had access to black, it would be a very different story as I would be running cards like Viscera Seer and Zulaport Cutthroat. However in the current build and in a combo situation I will aready have the sac outlet (say Blasting Station) and fenerally have access to Saffi Eriksdotter already. So at this point both Hulk and Boonwearver are stand-ins for a single creature. The whole beauty of both hulk and boonweaver is that they can assemble multiple combo creatures in one hit, however there isn't generally a requirement for this in the build.
As tutors they are ok, however both are very expensive to play and I'm already running a solid suite of creature tutors, all of which I would like to think are generally better than Hulk or Boonweaver, as well as better than Pattern of Rebirth. My biggest beef with pattern is that you have to both enchant a creature and then sac it. This means that in a worst case scenario, it is not useable to recover from a crappy board state, whereas the other tutors just cost mana. It also leaves a lot more openings for the creature to be removed.
I've thought about running cards like Martyr's Cause, Fanatical Devotion and even Reaper of Flight Moonsilver, however all of these cards are either too conditional, are a nonbo or both. I run Starved Rusalka (it was a toss up between her and Martyred Rusalka - martyred has the better ability but starved is easier to fuel with cradle) which is the closest the deck comes to Viscera Seer however is only good for jump starting combos/getting value, not for infinite loops.
There is one deploy line which is Saffi + High Market into hulk, sacing saffi and then sacing hulk to market getting Academy Rector + Starved Rusalka, then off the second hulk sac (via rusalka) you can get Karmic Guide however this line still feels messy to me as you need 9 mana and High Market (so really 10 mana) to make it work.
That's my thought process on the whole thing, but I am always keen to get others' thoughts too.