Yea that is sadly true... I realized after posting my question it was kind of a stupid one...

but the fact that such devastating threats come out usually on turn 3 is what makes up for it, and its a good way to do so. Its still a fine question.

I have been talking with Ohthenoises and I think we have broken Food Chain for Sidisi, Brood Tyrant. In playtesting I am getting consistent turn 3 or 4 wins with this combo when I go for it. The list I am tinkering with at the moment also runs the Necrotic Ooze combo, mike and trike, and the Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake combo so generally I just go for whatever combo is easiest based on my opening hand. While not quite as fast as Necrotic Ooze, Food Chain is ridiculously easy to assemble and Sidisi is the only BUG general that can pull it off. Moreover, most of the best enablers for the combo are in her color identity. I have figured out a way to win as soon as Misthollow Griffin or Eternal Scourge is paired with Food Chain without the need for specific cards in hand or extra floating mana. Here is the combo:

1) Exile and recast Misthollow Griffin or Eternal Scourge with Food Chain until you have a million mana of each color.

2) Cast and exile Sidisi, Brood Tyrant with Food Chain until you have milled most of your graveyard and produced about 25 to 30 zombies.

3) Sacrifice 3 zombies to flashback Dread Return reanimating either Rune-Scarred Demon or Eternal Witness and grab Tidespout Tyrant from library or graveyard and cast it with your creature specific floating mana.

4) Repeat step 1 to trigger Tidespout Tyrants ability to bounce and recast your Eternal Witness or Rune-Scarred Demon as many times as it takes to bring Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Triskelion to your hand cast them with your floating mana and ping each opponent to death.

PS. If your deck uses Craterhoof Behemoth instead of mike and trike just tutor for and cast craterhoof, copy him with Phantasmal Image and Phyrexian Metamorph bounce all of your opponents permanents with Tidespout Tyrant and swing on your 3 opponents empty boards uncontested ftw.

As with most combos it can be disrupted and there are several moving parts, but this is a massive upgrade over other Sidisi specific combo's. I have seen some people listing aspets of the combo, but no one has all the necessary parts to pull it off consistently as a 2 card combo that wins the game the turn you cast it for no additional costs or hoops to jump through.

@Lilbrudder

I would highly like to see the list you are using at the time, to compare to others I have in mind. I would also like to build yours in real life to playtest it with some friends since I have pretty much all the required cards already, if you don't mind.

Speaking of Sultai infinite combo lists, I've recently built a Tasigur, the Golden Fang list with the following combos:

1. Deadeye Navigator + Palinchron/Great Whale/Peregrine Drake = infinite mana (which means infinite activations of Tasigur, the Golden Fang, which means infinite self mill and infinite recursion of nonlands, which means infinite Blue Sun's Zenith/Stroke of Genius on each opponent)
2. Palinchron + Phantasmal Image/Deadeye Navigator/Phyrexian Metamorph = infinite mana
3. Ghostly Flicker/Displace + Archaeomancer/Eternal Witness/Skullwinder/Mnemonic Wall + Palinchron/Great Whale/Peregrine Drake = infinite mana
4. Freed from the Real/Pemmin's Aura + Argothian Elder/Krosan Restorer/Mul Daya Channelers = infinite mana
5. Intruder Alarm/Thornbite Staff + Presence of Gond/Kazandu Tuskcaller/Bloodline Keeper  ^Flip + Phyrexian Altar/Blasting Station/Altar of Dementia/Viscera Seer = infinite mana/damage/mill/scry

Now that I have the infinite combos for the deck, what do I do to make it competitive level? How many tutors? How much ramp? How much draw? How many counterspells? Etc.

thegigibeast: Here you go A Heart Three Sizes Too Small (turn 1 win)

I would love some criticisms/suggestions on the list. There are actually two lists I am working on that are similar. The one I am linking is my primer, which is still somewhat of a mid-range combo deck. Within the description of that primer is a link for the pure combo version which is probably more suited for CEDH. If you plan on play testing the deck copy the deck first and play test the copy. For some reason the play tester is always outdated and you will get a bunch of cards that I cut weeks ago. If you copy the deck it fixes the glitch.

I was just about to say there's another target in Torrent Elemental and I looked again and it's an ability. DAMN YOU WOTC!

Anyways, It seems decent as a combo for sure.

@thegigibeast: Colorless folds to Null Rod and Stony Silence, both of which can easy come down turn 1-2. Not only are colorless decks crippled without ramp, they has almost no way to deal with those cards (Silence gets hit by All Is Dust/Ugin, the Spirit Dragon. Null Rod... Scour from Existence? Notice all of those spells are uncastably expensive without artifact ramp). There's just no way to overcome those shortfalls, especially when the primary goal is to cast a 10-drop.

May I ask how Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind is Tier 2? It is a very powerful deck where the commander himself gives card advantage and is a combo withhimself and other cards just like Sharuum the Hegemon. along with blue counterspells to back the deck up.

what is something i could use urabrask fro other than beats?i was thinking a weird stax type deal or somethin'. (nah mean saying?)

I'm sorry if this has been asked before but is there a thread for a list of 1v1 generals by tier as well? I see some of these generals work well in a group and not in a 1v1. And other generals work extremely well in 1v1 and not in a group.

@DasTree I don't believe so, especially considering that it wasn't created as a 1 on 1 format and doesn't work that well as one and also I'm full of salt

Lol ok. I was just asking since my LGS started doing EDH Tourneys, but they are using a 1v1 format probably to speed up play. thanks though. I'll continue to look around

@DasTree: If you want a good resource for 1v1 (French) EDH, I would advice checking out MTGTop8. It has multiple optimized decklists for all of the highest-performing 1v1 commander. It has not yet changed to reflect the most recent ban list update though.

Why Gisa and Geralf is tier 3?

I'm guessing because they are in a strong color combination and they win with Deadeye Navigator + Peregrine Drake and Archaeomancer + Ghostly Flicker and drake. You can blink them to mill yourself and then cast from the graveyard Gray Merchant of Asphodel, then blink him until you have killed the table. I honestly see them as strong tier 3.

Yup, that was my idea at first. Good color combination to combo, has access to both blue for counterspell/protection/control/draw/dig and black for removal/tutor/general good cards. I found it kind of a pseudo Karador, Ghost Chieftain, but in other colors with a slightly different ability. Never playtested with it though, so I don't know if it is worthy of tier 3, I would need advice on this.

I love that my commander yisan is tier one it makes me very happy

So I have a question, is there anyone that y'all are aware of that keeps an up to date Azami? I'm interested in building her with Docent of Perfection  ^Flip but a lot of the cedh lists I can find via Google are, seemingly, out of date.

I play Azami and considering that you should win before casting Docent of Perfection  ^Flip I wouldnt include it in a tuned competitive deck. It also competes with Azami's casting cost.

I know, my meta is more competicasual so I really just want to add it and syphon most of the deck from CEDH.

I'll check yours out, thanks.

@Ohthenoises

Scroll up a bit and check the one I posted earlier in this thread for an updated version :) It's a bit cut-throat and I'd remove some of the combo pieces if you dont wannna win but have a good time

@NarejED

Did some cutting. The cost is now at 3,1 - still a bit high, but feel like it's playing a lot smoother. Not sure if I'd be willig to cut the mana dubbeling effects as they yeild infinite mana sooo often when I play the deck - even if they are expencive to cast. Ideas?

How is thraximundar tier 4 but grimgrin tier 3? Is it due to the grimgrin gravecrawler rooftop storm combo?Because my thraximundar absolutely pooped on a prossh food chain deck in a tournament

@davidsays1 - Grimgrin is a sac outlet in the command zone, while Thraximundar is a value beater.

@xShawn Niv-Mizzet is worse than other combo generals because of the lack of good tutors (specifically the black ones that decks like Sharuum and Karador have access to). Also a few of the Niv-Mizzet combo cards are worse on their own than the combo pieces other generals use. Still a powerful general, but not tier 1 anymore.