Demonic Consultation

Instant

Choose a card name. Exile the top six cards of your library, then reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a card with the chosen name. Put that card into your hand and exile all other cards revealed this way.

Legality

Format	Legality
1v1 Commander	Legal
Archenemy	Legal
Big Apple Highlander	Legal
Block Constructed	Legal
Canadian Highlander	Legal
Casual	Legal
Commander / EDH	Legal
Commander: Rule 0	Legal
Custom	Legal
Duel Commander	Legal
Freeform	Legal
Highlander	Legal
Leviathan	Legal
Limited	Legal
Oathbreaker	Legal
Planar Constructed	Legal
Planechase	Legal
PreDH	Legal
Premodern	Legal
Quest Magic	Legal
Tiny Leaders	Legal
Vanguard	Legal
Vintage	Legal

Discussion (48)

Trickster318 on Dissident Storm

2 weeks ago

Hi! Thanks for looking at my deck

First off, this is a storm deck first and foremost, Kess just seemed to fit the role I was looking to fill (a useful grixis cmdr).

As for Demonic Consultation, my play group has banned that combo, and I want to play this deck in such a way that I can cobble together a win on the fly, in the most optimized fashion. This is why I have minimal tutor's.

SaberTech on Dissident Storm

2 weeks ago

Hi. I saw your post asking for some feedback. I have a few suggestions I could offer but I was hoping to start with a question first.

Do you want this to specifically be an optimized storm deck, or an optimized Kess deck for bracket 4?

I think that the list is currently stuck trying to decide what it wants to be. You have a bunch of potential Storm finishers in the deck but you don't have much in the way of mana generation engines and wheel effects to refill your hand and keep the spellcasting train going. Cost reducing effects are less useful to storm than being able to generate a bunch of colored mana is.

The deck's strongest win condition is the Brain Freeze + Underworld BreachGC + Lotus Petal combo that lets you mill your deck and then cast Thassa's OracleGC from the graveyard for the win, but you are missing Demonic Consultation to also pair with the Oracle and you're lacking a bunch of tutors to help you find your combo pieces quickly. If you go in on focusing on the combo aspect of the deck, then you won't really need the Storm stuff to help you win. You can just run a bunch of control cards and tutors.

So, which direction would you be happiest to see the deck go?

indieinside on Terrible Tutors

2 months ago

Relentless Rats!!!

Demonic Consultation is super under rated.

indieinside on Phage the Uncastable

3 months ago

I have Phage the Untouchable as one of my win conditions in my favorite build (shadow deck). She is so cool. I would recommend Hatred or Vorpal Sword, but you don’t really have any creatures. He costs a bit much to cast, but doubling your mana is nice with Nirkana Revenant. I’m surprised you aren’t playing Damnation. What about Sanctum of Eternity? It might help, might not.

Here are a few tutors that aren’t too costly. Seems like this deck should use some so that it is a little more consistent.

Demonic Consultation – a little risky, but it works.

Diabolic Intent

Diabolic Tutor

Mortlocke on Phyrexian Opera : Atraxa

4 months ago

Venum,

In regards to your manabase, you still haven't answered what your budget is looking like. A manabase tends to be the most expensive (and important) part of any EDH deck. Does your playgroup allow proxies?

Side tangent - the upcoming set Edge of Eternities has recently teased the return of shock lands. Shock Lands are some of, if not the best lands in modern magic. With this upcoming reprint they will be more accessible than ever so I highly recommend you get them their prices lower, namely: Watery Grave, Breeding Pool, Godless Shrine, Hallowed Fountain, Overgrown Tomb and Temple Garden.

You slightly misunderstood what I meant when I asked about your meta. Do you use the bracket system that was introduced by Wizards? Using that to describe your deck (or the one you wish to build) will make this process go over much more smoothly. Seeing that your Meta includes the infamous likes of Najeela, the Blade-Blossom and Yuriko, the Tiger's ShadowGC you are facing some very strong commanders that would likely have decks that would place them in Bracket 4 (using the aforementioned bracket system as a reference). But, and a very big but here - it depends on what kind of decks these commanders helm. Do they have big expensive manabases with lots of (monetary) expensive interaction cards? e.g. Mana Drain, Force of WillGC, Mana VaultGC

It seems here that you have a misunderstanding of infinite combos. The aforementioned combo of Thassa's OracleGC and Demonic Consultation are used almost exclusively in the alternate format known as Competitive EDH or cEDH. That is an essential combo for the format, and is expected to be part of a deck running {U}{B}. To you that may look like someone who just doesn't want to engage with other players - but to those who wield the combo in a game where other players are using similar strategies this is what everyone signed up for. Infinite combos are a staple of Magic and Commander. I understand that you are a person and you are absolutely entitled to your opinion. But please, have consistent logic here: Infinite Combos may be unpopular to some players, but for the love of Father Yawgmoth Poison is a FAR less popular mechanic in Commander.

Not saying you shouldn't use it - I for one embrace it. But using Poison will give you a distinct political disadvantage at just about every single table you show up to. Once the other players know, they will more than likely work together to tear apart your boardstate and shove you off the table.

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

6 months ago

It had not been implemented yet as I was asked to try and reduce some of the complexity. I don't think I succeeded.

Tutor:

"search your library for ... card..."
"searches their library for ... card..."
"may search their library for ... card..."
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... you may"
"search target opponent's library for ... card ... that card onto the battlefield under your control"
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.
Exception: Any string that replaces the first elipses that has a period in it.
Exception: Any string that replaces the second elipses that starts with "s named" or " named" or " with the same name"

This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored. Note the lack of an inclusion of a period at the end for the first three.

All instances of the word "your" can be swapped for "target player" or "each player".

Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Emergent Ultimatum, Quiet Speculation, Tunnel Vision

Individual exceptions: AEther Searcher, Boldwyr Heavyweights, Hired Giant

Mass Land Denial:

"sacrifices ... lands"
"return ... lands to their owner's hands."
Exception: If the above ... has "two" or "three" in it for any of them.

"each player ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices the rest."

"lands don't untap"
"players can't untap ... land"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.

All instances of the word "land" dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped for "permanent".

"lands are (land subtype)."

All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in the strings above can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word "sacrifices" can be swapped for "destroy" or "exile".
All instances of the word "player" can be swapped for "opponent".

A global expection for all Mass Land Denial is made if "nonland" is in any elipses.

Individual cards: Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Land Equilibrium, Limited Resources, Mana Breach, Mana Vortex, Overburden, Pox, Quicksilver Fountain, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin, Wake of Destruction, Ward of Bones, Words of Wind, World Queller

Individual exceptions: Hibernation, Scourglass

Nothing is case sensitive

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

6 months ago

Anything anyone thinks is missing with this?

Tutor:

"Search your library for ... card"
Exception: Tutors that, within the above string, have the words basic, Plains, Forest, Island, Mountain or Swamp.

This should catch instances of multiple cards being tutored.

Individual cards: Demonic Consultation, Divining Witch, Tunnel Vision

Mass Land Denial:

"Destroy/Exile ... lands"
"Each player/opponent sacrifices ... lands"
"Return ... lands to their owner's hand"
Exception: If the above ... is "two" or "three" for any of them.
Note the requirement for the word land to be plural.

"Each player/opponent ... chooses ... land(s) ... sacrifices/destroys/exiles the rest."

"Return all lands/permanents to their owners' hands."

"Whenever a player .... that player returns a land they control to its owner's hand."

"lands don't untap"
"Players can't play lands"
Exception: If the card is instant or sorcery.

All instances of the word land dictated as a requirement in these strings can be swapped with "nonbasic land", "Plains", "Forest", "Island", "Mountain" or "Swamp".
All instances of the word land/lands must not be nonland.

Individual cards: Blood Moon, Desolation, Equipoise, Hall of Gemstone, Mana Vortex, Mist of Stagnation, Parallax Tide, Sands of Time, Storm Cauldron, Tangle Wire, Temporal Distortion, Thoughts of Ruin

edit: quietly adds "Hall of Gemstones" as a synonym to Hall of Gemstone

Femme_Fatale on Commander bracket recommendation

6 months ago

Completely forgot to respond to this. I marked the Tergrids as game changer.

Bracket requirements were made by comparing and contrasting the rules text box with a criteria.

Tutor is "Search your library for a (non basic land) card". And Demonic Consultation.

Mass land denial is "Destroy/Exile all lands/(basic land type)." and "Return all lands to hand".

In looking over this I can see some issues. Tutor can be "Search your library for ..." with an exclusion of "basic land" and "(basic land type)".

Mass land denial is missing sacrifice.

Blood Moon being regarded as being mass land denial by wotc is interesting because from what I hear it's more regarded as a tool players without a whole lot of money can use against moneybags mcgee and their $10,000 mana base.

There's obviously the numbers thing too with regards to mass land denial with the aforementioned Wildfire. Let me know any other cards that are not matching that you think should and I'll create some better rules text comparisons.