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| Archenemy | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oldschool 93/94 | Legal |
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| Planechase | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Black Lotus
Artifact
, Sacrifice Black Lotus: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool.
sergiodelrio on MASSIVE EDH RC ban list …
1 month ago
I see what you are saying and I've been overexaggerating things to show a point. There is a big gap between what has been banned and the "next big thing" and that might cause deckbuilders to weigh between a generically good card versus a card that would be more fitting and synergetic in the context of the rest of their deck.
If Black Lotus is legal in a format it would be a no-brainer to try and include it (if you have it), but if Lotus gets banned, P9 Moxes get banned, etc, you will look for cards that don't just improve ANY deck, but instead YOUR specific deck. Unless you have a 0-cost artifact theme and that WAS your deck synergy all along, in that case you need to pick a new theme (or play around with what's left).
legendofa on MASSIVE EDH RC ban list …
1 month ago
One more armchair analysis, then I'm going to step back. Watching the PK video, it struck me (almost literally--I had to pause the video and think about this) is that the Reserved List exists to prevent exactly this sort of price collapse. The means of creating a potential price collapse differ (fast mana bans = reduced demand, Reserved List reprint = increased supply), but the hypothetical result is the same: High-value cards lose their value, investors get upset, stores lose inventory value, and the card economy takes a massive hit. Would Juzam Djinn be worth $1,500+ in a world where it's reprinted beside Ravenous Giant? If Black Lotus got reprinted tomorrow with a promise to reprint again, would it still be worth as much as a used car? The Reserved List is an artificial way to protect investments, for better or worse. The fast mana bans show what happens when investments aren't protected.
Is this a false equivalence? As long as the effect is it the same, I don't think it matters too much what the cause is. And the Reserved List is pretty much forever, while bans can be unbanned. (That would really make people go crazy.)
Balaam__ on
Ok, Boomer - "The Deck"
4 months ago
I remember checking a Wizard’s price guide as a young boomer lad and being shocked at the exorbitant $400 price tag for an Alpha Black Lotus.
nuperokaso on
Win Turn 0 vs Yu-Gi-Oh
5 months ago
If you actually playtest the deck, many times your hand is not that great.
- 8 of your tutors put the card only on the top of your library rather than into your hand. I suggest you play Demonic Tutor rather than Imperial Seal.
- You have problems with color fixing. You end up being unable to play your cards because you don't have right combination of mana. If your plan is solely to play only one turn, then Lotus Petal is better than Mox Jet or Mox Sapphire.
- With Dark Ritual and 8 Lotuses, It's reasonable to get to 5-6 black mana. Some 2 Ad Nauseam and/or Yawgmoth's Bargain would improve your consistency.
- Ceremonious Rejection looks bad. If your only plan is to play for one turn, play Pact of Negation. You'll save 1 mana and have more possible targets. It's better if you start the game. If your opponent starts the game, Ceremonious Rejection only works if you have Leyline of Anticipation. And if you have that, you should able to win even with Pact of Negation trigger.
- Play 4 Gitaxian Probe and 4 Street Wraith. Your deck doesn't care for life, and you need to get your relevant cards.
- If you are allowed to play 4 Black Lotus and 4 Blacker Lotus, then I assume anything is playable. If so, you forgot to include the most powerful card in the entire history - Contract from Below
legendofa on
The Baron's Coterie
8 months ago
Welcome to the club, Barone_di_Morti!
Mono-black Vampires are one of my favorite major tribes. Let's see what's going on here.
First thought is that you should put this either as the Casual format, or add the Casual hub in the deck editor. Vintage is the most powerful format in the game, and leaving it as Vintage with no other details carries certain expectations that you're willing to buy and use the most powerful cards. Legacy + Casual would also work, unless you have Black Lotus and Mox Jet lying around.
What's the intent of Buried Alive? I see the Bloodghasts as returnable creatures, but those are easy enough to play and bring back normally, and there's not mich else pointing to a reanimator or graveyard theme here.
There's a lot of 2x and 3x cards, which means the deck is going to be a little less consistent and reliable. Try to get the full four copies of the cards you most want to play.
Also, 20 lands seems a little low, especially with some key cards being at 4-5 mana and X-cost. The Dark Rituals help, but there's no real reason to be using Polluted Delta and Bloodstained Mire. All your Swamps are basic lands (Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth only affects lands in play, not in your deck), so you might as well just replace those with more basic Swamps, or other utility lands. 22 lands would be my starting point.
I see the core of a sacrifice theme in your creatures, with Bloodghast and a few "whenever a creature dies" effects. If you wanted to, you could lean into that aspect a little harder by adding some sacrifice outlets, like Viscera Seer, Ashnod's Altar, or Yahenni, Undying Partisan.
Above all, have fun!
ThatguyDJ on
Power 9 when?
1 year ago
Garth One-Eye + Deadeye Navigator + Thousand-Year Elixir = infinite mana (tap to make Black Lotus, crack black lotus naming blue, use 2 to flicker Garth, he re-enters battlefield with 1 spare blue mana. Repeat infinite times) to deck all of your opponents with the Braingeyser
Mortlocke on Mortlocke
1 year ago
Daveslab2022, apologies for not answering you sooner for some reason I didn’t get a notification that you posted on my deck page. I’m grateful that you’d like to continue the conversation. My only request that you keep things civil and friendly, as I will do my best to extend the same attitude. As you’ve went ahead and posted, I’ll simply respond.
”I can’t reply to that thread as Caerwyn has asked us not too - but you just said a bunch of stuff and didn’t actually provide any evidence for what you said. It’s pure speculation.” As you may have read – there was no asking on Caerwyn’s part. He called me out of my name, accusing me of being a troll when I simply didn’t agree with their world view. I’m not going to discuss them or their actions as I simply couldn’t care less. Moving on… ”but you just said a bunch of stuff and didn’t actually provide any evidence for what you said. It’s pure speculation.” Now I’ll admit fault in providing evidence so I will do my best to be concise and straight to the point – Wizards of the Coast is aiming for a norm of high priced “luxury” and exclusive product. The evidence is simple, plain, obvious:
- 2009 is the year WOTC started experimenting with including Reserved List cards (called Hidden Treasures) in new sealed product – with the release of Zendikar. They quickly realize that they’re leaving money on the table as the boxes sold out very quickly and still to this day command a high price of around [$1200 USD](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Zendikar/Zendikar+Booster+Box-sealed#paper) and about half that in 2015. The point is, Wizards took note of the high demand for Reserved List cards.
- 2015 – 2017 was the era of the Masterpieces -the Expeditions, Inventions, and Invocations respectively. These exclusive treatments drove sales for their respective sets (with the exception of Ahmonket, the general online sentiment I gathered was that the Invocations weren’t well received). The point is here, is that Wizards is taking note that exclusive treatments of cards can help push sales significantly
- 2019 is the year Pandora’s box was opened – the proto Collector’s Booster box [War of the Spark: Mythic Edition](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/articles/war-of-the-spark-mythic-edition-now-available) was released for $249 USD which is more than double the amount of any other standard set ever sold. This wasn’t a master’s set which generally sold for roughly $200 - $300 at release. Then we saw the release of Throne of Eldrane, which introduced the first offering of Collector’s Booster boxes which sold for $200 USD. Again, double the amount of the standard booster box. Then we got the biggest change - [The removal of Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP)](https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/no-more-msrp-2019-02-18). Without this, then the prices of MTG product can essentially vary widely from store to store. Meaning that when someone sees a $300 or $400 booster box, there is no “Why isn’t this just $100, like it usually was?” Then there was the release of the Secret Lair -a direct to consumer product that usually ranges from at least $30 to $40 for on average 3 – 4 cards. Crazy that they only need to sell a few cards and reap so much profit. At this point Wizards has set the stage for new and expensive product to be the “big tent” offerings of each set.
- 2020 – Double Masters VIP edition. This is the first time we’ve ever seen a $100 booster pack. An egregious offering whose main draw was the same thing players used to get in standard set boxes – Masterpieces, foil treatments, things that are now effectively paywalled off from the average player. The price of Double Masters in the year 2022 spiked to around [$450 - $500 USD](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Double+Masters/Double+Masters+Booster+Box-sealed#paper) in 2021 – these boxes were still being sold direct from Wizards, imagine the insane profits they saw.
- 2022 is simply more of the same but worse. This I believe was the first time we saw these deluge of derivative products in the form of Draft, Collectors and VIP booster boxes. Each tier having some sort of exclusivity – more and more cool stuff being paywalled off to the average player. But each box still commanding a hefty asking price with the Draft Boosters commanding a [$300 - $400 USD](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Double+Masters+2022/Double+Masters+2022+Draft+Booster+Box-sealed#paper) asking price at release. The Collector’s box was particularly egregious (in my opinion as it was only 4 packs of randomized cards with an asking price of [$200 - $300 USD](https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Double+Masters+2022/Double+Masters+2022+Collector+Booster+Box-sealed#paper). Again this is only for 4 randomized packs of cards – we will see a trend, I promise.
- 2023 now we are currently looking at the upcoming Lord of the Rings set – where the Draft Booster Boxes going for $150 - $200 USD – and Collector booster boxes going for as low as [$500 USD](https://mtgrocks.com/cost-of-mtg-lord-of-the-rings-set-alienates-players/). But that’s not the end of it either – Commander Masters also has some ridiculous price points where the Draft box goes for roughly [$300 USD](https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Magic/Products/Booster-Boxes/Commander-Masters-Draft-Booster-Box) and the Collector’s Booster Box is only 4 packs of randomized cards for [$230 - $250 USD](https://jk-entertainment.de/commander-masters-collector-booster-box-englisch?gclid=Cj0KCQjw0tKiBhC6ARIsAAOXutlhcHyjClNPaNJUl2pJpEWYHBoisvW2uA1YeE05szP9Shfku96bfPYaAjlfEALw_wcB). That’s 4 packs of randomized boosters (where have we seen this before?) for over $200 USD. That’s at least $50 a pack. Then there’s March of the Machine Aftermath – a so called Microset that has only 5 cards per pack – but it has the exact same asking price of a standard set. Further down Pandora’s Box we go.
I’m so against a Reserved List Reprint Product because we already know exactly what that product will look like - Magic 30th. 4 randomized booster packs of cards for $1000 USD with the potential promise of a pack fresh Reserved List reprint – that is technically a proxy but was officially produced and released by Wizards. This is what they have been working towards for years – and now with an unending hype train and a deluge of products that no one asked for – and few can keep up with.
When someone is asking/voicing their desire for Reserved List reprints I don’t think they stop and ask themselves – “But, will I be able to afford it anyway?” Daveslab2022, do you honestly think that Wizards is going to reprint a Black Lotus, and give it the Sol Ring treatment? Put one in every single Commander deck? Put it in a Draft Booster box? No. The answer is no – no desirable Reserved List Card will be magically made widely available and cheap. Wizards of the Coast and HASBRO are corporations - their goal and aim is to make money. Not be your friend, not be Santa Claus, but to make as much money as possible. To just widely reprint these highly coveted game pieces would be beyond counter productive to the purpose of Wizards and Hasbro. They would literally be giving away money for no reason - frustrating their shareholders and discouraging them or anyone else from investing in the company.
The truth is in front of us – They will treat those hypothetical reprints as though they were Serialized cards to drive up the asking price (remember – no MSRP!) and milk the gullible customer base. And before you even think “Well more product means everything will get cheaper – that’s economics, duh” – let me address that line of reasoning right now: The demand will far outstrip the supply – Wizards will absolutely see to that, as that is more profitable to limit the supply and stretch that newfound reprint equity to the absolute limit. So no, even with reprints the hypothetical Reserved List will still be hyper expensive and exclusive. Things will then be only worse, as these hypothetical new sealed products will have absurd asking prices that will influence the pricing of future offerings from Wizards. We are already seeing this – citing my previous examples from before – it can get much worse with a fully weaponized Reserved List “Masterpiece” option.
So there. That’s the main reason why I don’t want Reserved List Reprints. Your rebuttal is welcome, but please cite your sources.
DrukenReaps on Alternate Ban List
1 year ago
I've never really been a fan of the ban list used for commander. I don't think it addresses potential problem cards the right way. There's always going to be a new problem card printed. I also think there's cards stuck on there that use to be scary and just aren't now. Like when Worldfire came off and no one really cared lol. So I wanted to just go through the mental exercise of designing a new ban list. First thing is I wanted to bring back the old "banned as commander" and therefore have 2 ban lists. The argument I heard most against this is that it's complicated but we play the most complex deck design game in MTG. I think people can handle 2 ban lists. For the banned from the 99 part of the list I was thinking I'd focus on fast tutors and fast mana. Like I said there will always be more problem cards. Many that aren't banned are arguably stronger than banned ones currently. For example Godo, Bandit Warlord + Helm of the Host is arguably easier and more consistent than Cromat + Coalition Victory.
So here are the 2 lists, they do not contain everything. Just wanted to start the idea and see people's thoughts.
Banned as Commander- Braids, Cabal Minion Emrakul, the Aeons Torn Griselbrand Iona, Shield of Emeria Leovold, Emissary of Trest
Banned from the 99- Mox Emerald Mox Jet Mox Pearl Mox Ruby Mox Sapphire Black Lotus Channel Sol Ring Mana Crypt Mana Vault Worldly Tutor Enlightened Tutor Personal Tutor Vampiric Tutor Demonic Tutor Mystical Tutor
I would also simply declare that Companion doesn't work in Commander. So you can play your Lutri, the Spellchaser if you so desire. I think this mechanic as a whole was poorly thought out and poorly tested, hence the changes and bans across multiple formats.
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