X equals the purpose (Help needed for my Kruphix Deck.)

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Posted on Oct. 31, 2018, 2:26 p.m. by BMHKain

I really need help on a couple of things for this deck to shine...

Infinite Mana Combos be it , , or somehow, . Since this deck is made to have stuff w/ costs, I'd like some ideas on how to improve on such combos, or even stuff I would never think of. Also, I'd like to know what I can do for outside combos that synergizes w/ other cards (Card Draw, Counters, among others.). I would use Experiment Kraj for this, but, that would involve changing the commander. I also know a place to find an ideal Manabase, but all I know is that I found it in a Reddit post, & has good choices for basically all color combinations (Even !) & the symbol being a Skull. If anybody can help me on the page location, let me know.

Thanks again! :D

generalrenard says... #3

The two easiest infinite mana combos are Dramatic Reversal and Isochron Scepter (dramatic scepter) with at least two mana in rocks or dorks, or Paradox Engine and Isochron Scepter with any spell imprinted to cast that spell infinite times, with two or mana in dorks or rocks. To win with this past I would run Ancestral Vision to deck your opponents.

The other easy infinite mana combo is with Rings of Brighthearth and Basalt Monolith or Grim Monolith. Unlike the previous combo, this one only produces colorless mana.

As for synergy, kruphix is mostly a card for ramping into big this by storing lots of colorless mana. Eldrazi maybe?

October 31, 2018 4:37 p.m.

BMHKain says... #4

@SynergyBuild: That's actually some good enough combos, actually. However, I'm still trying to find that link I found in a Reddit post though. One I find it, I'll decide my Manabase for real for all my decks (Before Olivia, Mobilized for War, & (SPOILER!) a Vorthosian Spike deck based on one song by Miku Hatsune. (I'm not kidding you. I just have to adjust some things first.) Once I decide my Manabase, I'll see if Gaea's Cradle is even needed...

@generalrenard: Thanks. However, the purpose of this deck is to cast as many cards as soon as possible. (Even stuff like Astral Cornucopia.) So, having nigh infinite mana combos is prime here. That said, I wonder what 3-Card Combos I can do w/o. & No. Riftsweeper stays as it gives me back my best stuff (Expropriate, The Great Aurora, Praetor's Counsel even. Even some casts Exile themselves as well.).

But I still have one more question: what was that Manabase creation site that I can think of? It's not ManaBase Crafter. It's... Something else... I'll search for now...

November 1, 2018 10:38 a.m.

SynergyBuild says... #5

Oh yeah, look up some Temur Sabertooth combos... there are a lot. Also, if you run enough elves/pump Marwyn, the Nurturer also goes infinite with the aforementioned Umbral Mantle, Staff of Domination, and Sword of the Paruns...

Ooh... Now that I think of it, there are combos that are good with Kruphix like with Maze of Ith and Ley Weaver/Argothian Elder, you attack with the creature, untap it with Maze, it is still 'in combat', so you tap it, untapping a land and Maze, then tap them both to untap the creature, netting one mana per cycle, making infinite mana!

November 1, 2018 10:47 a.m.

FogonaFrog66 says... #6

I commented on the actual posting of the deck, and I forgot to mention Hangarback Walker and Walking Ballista. Those two just reek of combo. And x’s.

November 1, 2018 11:12 a.m.

BMHKain says... #7

@SynergyBuild/FogonaFrog66: I'll look up Temur Sabertooth after. I'm trying to find a site where one can make a Manabase. & no. It's not ManaBase Crafter. It's something you can use whether you're on a Budget, a crapshoot of cash, or you can combine some elements of both for your Manabase. It's also a site I found somewhere on Reddit when I was trying to find a decent Manabase for my Kess deck. Maybe I can find it somewhere on a post regarding 3-Mana bases... I might need some help though...

November 1, 2018 11:30 a.m.

BMHKain says... #8

Anyways, just added a question regarding the page I'm looking for. I just hope anyone knows... Anyways, tried looking up some Temur Sabertooth combos, but it seems I can't find a good list of them. Any ideas, SynergyBuild?

November 1, 2018 1:01 p.m.

SynergyBuild says... #9

Really, they are used in mono-green lists a lot, with stuff like Yisan, the Wanderer Bard fetching Wirewood Symbiote, Priest of Titania, Fierce Empath for Great Oak Guardian, and then Temur Sabertooth for instant win. It takes like 4 turns, but for a 1-card combo, people are willing to do much more.

November 1, 2018 1:04 p.m.

BMHKain says... #10

Well, it's unfortunate I don't plan to do Elfball anytime soon. I just want to run stuff that either:

1: Has in the cost...

2: Can abuse such costs w/ endless mana

3: Can be recurred back into my library via stuff like Riftsweeper

4: Not Elfball (That's where Omnath comes in. ;P)

I'll see what else I can find for now...

November 1, 2018 1:15 p.m.

BMHKain says... #11


Anyone got any suggestions? I literally have approx. 50 cards over. With a lot of infinite Mana combos, here's what needs to stay:

  1. Riftsweeper (For some of my best spells.)

  2. Infinite Mana Combos Basalt Monolith + Rings of Brighthearth for instance.

  3. X Spells, & Cards w/ X in their effects even (X/X) stats even!

With all that noted, there will be sacrifices; but I'll see what they'll do for the deck at this point...

Any ideas for adds/cuts? :/

November 8, 2018 5:24 p.m.

SMASHER101 says... #12

I think we can all agree that you are wrong, the true purpose is 42.

November 9, 2018 11:35 a.m.

BMHKain says... #13

@SMASHER101: I mildly chucked at the Douglas Adams reference. Aside from this, I do kind of have to ask what should be cut from this deck though. I've been doing quite a lot these days, & I'm not focusing on MTG as much... That said, w/ a lot of stuff to cut, I wonder what you have for ideas for cuts. Oh, & yes, this deck's primary theme is for a good reason: Kruphix can make as much to your heart's content. Unless you have some ideas for cuts, I'll focus on cutting some other things as well... Thanks though.

November 11, 2018 1:04 p.m.

BMHKain says... #14

I guess, nobody wants to help? How about this: What costs & infinite mana combos need to be removed in your opinions? Not to mention misc. stuff like Riftsweeper (Apparently nobody realizes its true purpose...)? What should be removed, IYO? I just wanted to know as I'm literally dealing w/ an aftermath of a Nail Bomb...

November 12, 2018 10:21 a.m.

SMASHER101 says... #15

I get your big dreams with Riftsweeper, I disagree with that but aside from this, here is my suggestion.

Play the deck.

Play it with more than 100 cards and extra lands.

You will lose out on consistency and your deck will technically be illegal, but just try this out, a lot of people hate this but it really does help.

Play a few games, say 5. After each game, take EVERY card that didn't pull it's weight in the game and set them aside, say it sat in your hand or it was too situational; set it aside. Then for each card, ask yourself "Would I rather play this card in the NEXT game, or have a better deck?" For each card that you decided you wanted to have a better deck, take it out and set it aside. This strategy can mislead you, but it is very good for cutting cards. REMEMBER, changes are NOT PERMANENT. Maybe Cyclonic Rift did nothing one game, you know that it should probably be in your final deck, so your testing mislead you. THIS DOES NOT MEAN YOU CAN'T TAKE OUT Cyclonic Rift, and this DOES NOT MEAN you can't put Cyclonic Rift in the final version. No card is safe from the chopping block, no matter what. Another bit of insight, if a card is a staple, is obviously insanely good, and does not directly synergies with your deck, just take it out during testing. We already know rift is good, and the point of testing is not to win, it is to have a better deck, and for the sake of this, you would rather draw Riftsweeper and see if you can pull off you silly combo consistently than draw Cyclonic Rift and be like "wow, this card is good!" because you already know that.

November 12, 2018 12:10 p.m.

BMHKain says... #16

Hmm... Not a bad idea... However, I actually want to know what cEDH based decks at Tier 3 I should use for the job against this.


I dun suppose you have any suggestions for Tier 3 decks I should test with?

Also, what about Tier 4 Decks? I know this isn't cEDH Material, but I figured I need a source for such a thing anyway...

November 13, 2018 8:56 a.m.

SMASHER101 says... #17

The cedh tier list is a tier list of commanders. Example, kess and jeleva are obviosly better than the tier 5 Garza Zol, Plague Queen, but if you just made grixis storm with Garza Zol, Plague Queen then it would be nearly as good of a deck. Other than commanders like teferi most cedh decks are not commander dependent. This looks like a casual deck with a lot of combos, I don't play cedh but my advice from before definitely still stands.

November 13, 2018 2:15 p.m.

BMHKain says... #18

@SMASHER101: Any other good decks outside cEDH Standards I should use to test my decks with? Really would like some recommendations if it's okay w/ you... & I'd also like a variety of deck types if, again, OK w/ you. Any ideas?

November 13, 2018 2:19 p.m.

SMASHER101 says... #19

The non competitive meta is way too large to test against, If you don't have a defined meta, just make sure that you can deal with the popular cards in the most popular archetypes: creatures, instants/sorceries, tokens, stax, control, graveyard based, artifact, enchantment, and combo. Note that Krosan Grip stops most combos with no iffs ands or buts. Cards should be able to deal with multiple of these archetypes, ie. play Swords to Plowshares to answer creature, combo, and some artifact decks. Play Return to Dust and Krosan Grip to stop artifact enchantment and combo. Don't play Tranquility, play Merciless Eviction and Austere Command. Just make sure you arn't playing overly specific cards and that you can stop the common things that will surely get thrown at you. These are all generalizations because I don't know your meta, and you don't seem to either, so this is probably the best way to start. "testing" in edh is just playing games against your friends/the people you play with. This isn't testing for a grand prix you can't just hop into a magic online league. Play the game and tune as you go, just don't forget what you are expecting to play against, and if that is everything, then you must plan and prepare for everything. As the flavor text on Game Plan says, "Plan for victory, or prepare for defeat."

November 15, 2018 12:14 p.m.

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