Similar to Siege Behemoth
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Posted on Oct. 2, 2018, 11:51 a.m. by Unlife
I’ve decided to rebuild my Saskia the Unyielding deck and I came across Siege Behemoth in my box of bulk. I liked the concept, especially with saskia and I wanted to know, are there any other similar cards out there? Anything that lets me deal combat damage even if creatures are blocked. Any color but blue
Thanks in advance
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #3
There's not much of this effect in the game, and even less that grant it to other creatures. Outmaneuver is the only one I can find that hasn't already been listed. Otherwise we just have creatures that inherently do this, such as Thorn Elemental, Tornado Elemental, Rhox, and a few others that are markedly less good that these three.
Another option to push damage through is just to get deathtouch and trample on your attackers. Bow of Nylea with something like Primal Rage or Brawn generally makes your creatures not even worth blocking.
October 2, 2018 4 p.m.
Ochran Assassin, Lure, Breaker of Armies, Roar of Challenge, and their ilk might not do exactly what you want, but they get pretty close. By forcing your opponent to block a single creature, the remainder of your creatures can generally get by unmolested.
Odric, Master Tactician is another option, if you're going wide. Note, you can choose to not have any of their creatures block if you wish, or force their threatening creature to block something with deathtouch.
October 2, 2018 4:34 p.m.
MindAblaze says... #5
I’m not sure if Meglonoth fits the bill for you since you deal the damage when it’s blocking not attacking, but Vigilance so you don’t have to choose!
There’s always Mage Slayer!
October 2, 2018 4:35 p.m.
Tyrant-Thanatos says... #6
MindAblaze: Unfortunately neither of those things are combat damage, which is needed to trigger Saskia, which I assume is what OP is essentially going for here, ways to get combat damage in easy, in order to capitalize on Saskia as much as possible.
October 2, 2018 7:05 p.m.
Include cards that make the opponent less likely to block:
Ankle Shanker, Odric, Lunarch Marshal (with the right keywords), Champion of Lambholt, Legion Loyalist, Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist.
Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor is particularly saucy in Saskia.
You can also include cards that say creatures cannot block, or cards that change how blockers are assigned - Master Warcraft, Odric, Master Tactician and of course Brutal Hordechief.
October 3, 2018 3:36 a.m.
griffstick says... #8
...Nacatl War-Pride...
The thing is to build a saskia deck you have to do combat damage. Just trying to do such a thing in CMDR is hard. Because you can't just chip away at people and expect them to not get pissed off and do something about it.
So you need to build an army of creatures then do an alpha swing knocking out several opponents at once in hopes that it isn't stoped by a
- Cyclonic Rift,
- Rout,
- Evacuation,
- Constant Mists etcetera etcetera...
So it's a tough build to do right. You want to have enough big fat creatures but enough anwsers for what youll encounter like someone putting
- Song of the Dryads on saskia
- Propaganda
- Ghostly Prison
- Sphere of Safety and such other trubblesome things you'll encounter like No Mercy.
...Akroma's Memorial...
You see the problem is creatures are just so easy to deal with. So in order to make this a successful deck you also need ways to make them relentless with stuff that gives your creatures haste and graveyard stuff. Living End, Rise of the Dark Realms, Victimize, maybe some persist effects like Cauldron of Souls and undying stuff like Mikaeus, the Unhallowed but you can't make it easy to destroy your stuff so you'll need stuff like Avacyn, Angel of Hope, but thats not gonna stop exile. So you'll need stuff like Privileged Position, so they cant be targeted. But that's not stopping Terminus. Aaaannnd still, there's nothing you can do about Cyclonic Rift, or Toxic Deluge. But the Cyclonic Rift player will be waiting for that alpha swing, so you will have to be ready for it with a Red Elemental Blast and/or Pyroblast to counter it. But you'll still be getting blown out by a Toxic Deluge. So that's where the persist and undying come in also there's Rise of the Dark Realms
...In Garruk's Wake...
October 3, 2018 4:49 a.m. Edited.
Thank you everyone for the suggestions.
Predatory Focus and Outmaneuver were exactly what I was looking for, Master Warcraft as well.
I hadn't considered Lure-like effects but looking at them now I will definitely try to fit a few in.
I'm not sure yet what the top end of my curve will be, but it is probably going to be something big like a Lord of Extinction or an eldrazi, so Mage Slayer may have a spot.
I hadn't thought of Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor but it could be a nice way to build up an army in case of a 1 sided wipe.
In terms of which direction the build is going overall, I'm not entirely sure yet. I'm thinking just a general toolbox with a whole range of answers for everything. At the moment, my saskia deck is human tribal but I just don't have fun playing it, hence the rebuild.
Thanks again for all the suggestions, f you have any others feel free to pass them on
October 3, 2018 6:55 a.m.
I made my saskia into a legendary tribal - it has 33 legendary creatures and no non-legendary creatures. It works amazingly well and is very fun:
griffstick says... #2
Predatory Focus.
I wanted the same thing for my Multani, Maro-Sorcerer deck so I have a bunch of good ones here the multani deck
October 2, 2018 12:42 p.m.