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Flash (You may play this spell any time you could play an instant.)
When Draining Whelk enters the battlefield, counter target spell. Put X +1/+1 counters on Draining Whelk, where X is that spell's converted mana cost.
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Draining Whelk Discussion
6 days ago
Daedalus19876 Thanks for the suggestions and upvote!
With regard to your suggestions about mass removal, Extinguish All Hope is much worse than both your suggestions but it's also like 300% cheaper for a similar effect. I also have a fair amount of spot removal to contain people till Thrax can start edicting them.
Do you think Compulsive Research is better than Secrets of the Golden City? I rarely want to discard lands and hitting a land drop every turn is kinda like grixis's version of mana ramp. I'm still going back and forth about taking out Sign in Blood for secrets.
Right now i have 5 cards in the deck that cost more than $2. Phyrexian Reclamation, Noxious Gearhulk, Sol Ring, Draining Whelk and Rite of Replication. Do you think any of these cards aren't pulling the (dollar) weight?
I really appreciate your thoughts and would be interested in debating some card choices with you!!
2 weeks ago
Thank you very much! I am glad you like the list. It s a fun deck and can be powerful, but to be more competitive it needs some spells to counter the graveyard hate. Often you will encounter Bojuka Bog, Relic of Progenitus, Rest in Peace, Leyline of the Void, Scavenging Ooze, and Deathrite Shaman to name a few. Some cards to consider are:
Next up are cards you can swap in that are not as expensive to acquire.
To allow for the anti graveyard hate cards listed above, I would consider cutting for budgetary reasons: Yawgmoth's Will, Rise of the Dark Realms, Survival of the Fittest, Sylvan Scrying, Diabolic Servitude, Entomb, Coffin Queen.
You can change a lot of cards in the list aside from those mentioned here. Two cards I would not change and would pick up as they are very useful in the list are Volrath's Stronghold and Phyrexian Tower. You can sacrifice a creature to the tower gaining 2 black mana and use that mana to activate the stronghold to put the sacrificed creature back on top of your library. Volrath's Stronghold by itself is also a way to save at least one creature from your graveyard from getting exiled as mentioned in the graveyard hate you would face.
This should give a good sense of what type of cards to think about and try. I have used many of these cards on my way to getting to the list today. Another two good cards that are rarely bad are Wurmcoil Engine and Batterskull. Just good Value cards. Batterskull is not a creature to reanimate, but it is a creature when the artifact enters the battlefield. I hope this helps!
3 weeks ago
I really love this deck. It is super original, and contains a lot of cards I have not seen played in modern before, but it still feels like a good old fashioned control deck. I do have a few suggestions, however. A lot of your threats cost quite a lot of mana. In control decks, it is always better to keep your threats as cheap as possible, especially against other control decks, so that you can keep mana open to counter any spells that would remove your threats. For that reason, I would recommend adding in some more Creeping Tar Pits. They are cheap threats that allow you to keep up mana to protect your plays. They are especially good now Jace, the Mind Sculptor is legal, as they can kill Jace, the Mind Sculptor without worrying about blockers. I would take out Shelldock Isle and Magosi, the Waterveil for this, as Shelldock Isle is far too slow to give any advantage, and Magosi, the Waterveil is a downright terrible card, as control decks never EVER want to skip turns; skipping turns gives your opponent a free turn to resolve their cards, which is exactly what control decks don't want to happen. The same issue shows up with a lot of your counter/disruption cards. Cards like Counterlash and Draining Whelk don't offer a big enough advantage to make them worth running in face of the risk they will just be beaten by cards like Mana Leak and your opponent's threat will be resolved. I definitely understand the desire to add more threats in. When I made my first control list, I added a load of extra wincons in, because I couldn't see how the traditional control decks hoped to win the game. However, many cards in control decks that seem just to be control cards at first glance actually are excellent wincons. A good example of this is Jace, Architect of Thought. This card is brilliant, and is one of my all-time favourites. It's excellent at stalling the game, and it is surprisingly easy to get to the point activate its -8. Once you've done that, you've basically won the game! If you would be willing to completely change this deck up, I would suggest taking out most of your wincon cards, and replacing them with cards that can act as both control and wincon. However, I completely understand if you don't want to. I really think this deck has a lot of potential, and so I've made two lists that are my own versions of this deck. One is an U/B control list that has a lot of the creatures taken out and is more traditional, and one is a list that is much more similar to yours, but has just been tweaked, just in case you don't want to take out the cards that make the deck unique. The more traditional list still has a lot of the uniqueness of the original deck, just some of the suboptimal cards have been removed.
Traditional Control Version:
1 month ago
Also Ancestral Statue is just nonsense since it goes to infinite casts with Animar as long as Animar has 4 or more counters on it. Then if you wanted to get spicy you could run Magus of the Mind to get some creature storm.
Temur Sabertooth is another uncommon that does similarly stupid things in Animar. It allows you to do so much nonsense by easily bouncing creatures back to hand to cast again.
1 month ago
Nice merfolk deck!
I would personally cut the mill plan from the deck and focus more on protecting your army.
I think board wipes are your biggest weakness so maybe Mystic Snake instead of Sphinx's Tutelage? It's not a merfolk but it is a creature and counter in one. Draining Whelk could also be good. If you want an enchantment in that slot, I would say Intruder Alarm could be pretty broken in this deck with Lullmage Mentor though I know you said you hate old art (I'm kinda that way too).
3 months ago
Dissolve, Counterspell, Dismiss, Bant Charm is a personal favorite, especially when it protects your finishers and stops the Torpor Orb menace and its creature counterparts, Cancel, Broken Concentration, Draining Whelk pairs nicely with restoration angel and Eldrazi displacer, Dream Fracture, Faerie Trickery is good in a faerie-less meta, Familiar's Ruse can put a blink target back into your hand so its not a downside per-say, Hinder, Render Silent, Rewind, Scatter to the Winds, Spell Swindle , Void Shatter are cheaper alternatives. If you're looking for cool or niche cards, or cards that you don't know/remember use Scryfall, its basically Gatherer but better that's where I found a lot of these.
My first couple of cuts would be Gilded Lotus (you're in green, you can ramp for the mana you need if you put in more basics with cards like Explosive Vegetation and Blighted Woodland) so cutting a bunch of the non fetch able lands would be where I would cut, so the scry lands and cards like Port Town (but not the pain lands, those work with your Eldrazi displacer since you don't have Wastes, which I recommend for you 2 regardless, you can fetch for them while the pain lands can provide you with fixing and colorless mana) and if you do add those basics ignore my other suggestion about taking out either farhaven or solemn. Minion Reflector, Fabricate, and Enlightened Tutor to help put the combo together, Birthing Pod and Felidar Guardian are absolutely nuts regardless of your win con, you can go from a 2 drop into a 6 drop in a turn! If you're keeping Brago then you really don't need Momentary Blink, Ghostly Flicker, or Eerie Interlude, you could put either more creatures (or counterspells, which is my suggestion) If you want to keep vorinclex you will need that birthing pod and felidar, I would also say you would need either Mirari's Wake or some way to discard it reliably and cheat it back into play with karmic guide and figure out some way to protect it, namely with counterspells, but if you want to control the table there are better ways, like with Thought-Knot Seer to remove answers as you build your board state and gain an ally with its LTB trigger. Avenger of zendikar is a fantastic late game threat but obviously you need to get more lands in play, so that's the other reason I say add more basics, its pretty inopportune to use another threat to power another threat in this specific capacity, its alright with sun titan since he can also attack to get you a fetch from your grave instead of needing to enter play.
Roon is a toolbox deck, so you need to focus on either progressing your board state rapidly as you accrue more value than all of your other opponents and/or stopping your opponents from having their board states, so for combo your finishers would be locking out the table with dead-eye, and/or creating an infinite army with reveilark, karmic guide and minion reflector, you already have mystic snake, and you already know how to go make infinite mana with karmic guide and reveilark. Later down the road I would recommend using that dead-eye with Thought-Knot Seer to take away your opponents answers.
Hopefully this gives you more than what you needed, but I would need to know how you would like to finish your games in order for me to help make other cuts, do you want to stomp your opponents into submission? Or would you like to combo out while their pants are down? Or would you like a bit of both, because each of these are possible, I just need to know what direction you would like to take this control build.
3 months ago
Some tweaking, was playtesting 1v1 (will do multiplay tomorrow) and while the deck certainly performs close to how it was expected, it still takes too long to kill the opponent with Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir as the biggest creature in the deck.
Cut Eternal Dominion for Bribery. Without any copy effects Epic is too much of a drawback to be worth attempting and adding copy effects would require changing the nature of the deck so its out for a card with basically the same effect at half the mana.
Thran Dynamo out Leyline of Anticipation in. Cutting down to 3, 6+ mana cards (one of them which would destroy the Dynamo) makes dynamo relatively useless when taking the rest of the ramp into consideration. Leyline is just solid utility in any control style deck.
Mold Adder out Draining Whelk in. While its a huge increase in mana spent, this is basically adding another win condition to the deck. Mold Adder isn't bad but without evasion its not all that great either.
Plagiarize out Treachery in. While Plagiarize is potentially very powerful there are many situations especially if you end up in top-deck mode where it is '4 mand draw a card', there are few situations where Treachery simply isn't the best control magic spell.
Clone out Phyrexian Metamorph in. Better card. Devastation Tide out Cyclonic Rift in. Better effect. I'll probably try to fit tide back in in the future but for now I'll settle for swapping it for a better version.
Addendum: I'm toying around with adding Empress Galina but so far it seems like she'd be too slow compared to relying on clone/control magic effects.
3 months ago
I have a fun multiplayer animar deck with the following interactive pieces:
Brutalizer Exarch, Duplicant, Man-o'-War, Oblivion Sower, Phyrexian Ingester, Reclamation Sage, Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir, Tidespout Tyrant, Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger, Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, Venser, Shaper Savant, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger, Walking Ballista and also Cyclonic Rift and a few Counterspell's
Others you could include are Draining Whelk, Mystic Snake, Ainok Survivalist, Indrik Stomphowler, Woodfall Primus, Bane of Progress, Inferno Titan, Flametongue Kavu, Apocalypse Hydra, Equilibrium, Dwarven Blastminer, Goblin Settler, Goblin Ruinblaster, etc etc