Each player who controls six or more lands chooses five lands he or she controls and sacrifices the rest. Each player who controls four or fewer lands may search his or her library for X basic land cards and put them into play, where X is five minus the number of lands he or she controls. Then each player who searched his or her library this way shuffles it.
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Natural Balance Discussion
aahern on Frog Lands
2 months ago
Winterblast : i looked at your deck and your Natural Balance combo excited me. I will have to at least try it with the frog for a while in hopes of hitting that combo. Do you have to tutor for it, or do you just wait in hopes of hitting natural balance and then finding the rest with the card draw gitrog gets you?
2 months ago
I am currently tuning my Gitrog Monster deck:
I'm not sure in which direction I should go to make it faster and more reliable. At first I had a list that focused on getting Squandered Resources or Rain of Filth , then (hopefully) drawing into land searching spells, which enable to generate more mana and draw more cards and so on...I managed to pull off one lucky kill on turn 3 with that method, but it all depended on getting Squandered Resources and Natural Balance and drawing into enough land searchers. I feel there are not enough spells that have a good "mana/land search" ratio to make this approach work well enough.
Another method to win is by having a free discard outlet and Dakmor Salvage. It's basically repeatedly milling the deck with the help of kozilek and generating infinite mana in the process with Lion's Eye Diamond.
What I'm unsure about is the rest of the deck. I have some disruption, artifact/enchantment destruction, Choke to annoy our mono U players, cheap mass discard...some Dredge stuff and Dread Return, several landfall Triggers, Sanguine Bond and Exquisite Blood Combo which work well with the lifegain from Zuran Orb and Retreat to Kazandu, some cycling in addition to the cycling lands and Archfiend of Ifnir...
It's all somehow nice but I'd like to hear some opinions if it's better to completely focus on one way to exploit the Gitrog Monster or if it's better to be more flexible and use cycling, dredge, reanimation and land searching/sacrificing equally.
As this is my 8th ready to play commander deck I don't have any more of the best mana artifacts left. The deck is land based, but the speed of Mana Crypt and all the moxes shouldn't be underestimated...I have thought about adding Null Rod or using proxies for the missing artifacts.
Thanks in advance for your comments!
2 months ago
Interesting build, found some possible cards for my own frog!
I'm ccurrently trying to improve mine...I think the biggest problem is to make the deck fast enough and reliable. There's a potential kill with Squandered Resources and Natural Balance on turn 3, if you draw into the right cards. Maybe you can find some interesting cards in my list as well:
How often have you played this deck so far? I can't really tell what's the biggest problem for it, as I've played it only 3 or 4 times so far and the only time I've lost was when I got stuck in the combo turn and had no lands left. Do you have more worst case experience with that kind of deck?
3 months ago
turn 1: land + free acceleration, Squandered Resourcesturn 2: 2nd land, tap both, sac both, Natural Balance --> get 5(!) untapped landstap the 5 new lands, Play The Gitrog Monster, sacrifice the lands one by one and draw 5 Cards with 5 mana Floating. with enough land searching spells in the deck this should be enough to Keep going until you draw into Dakmor Salvage and a discard outlet.
I would strongly suggest Kozilek, Butcher of Truth to be able to shuffle the milled cards back again. With Dakmor Salvage you basically draw every 2nd or 3rd card in the deck, so you might reach a point at which you have dredged through the whole library, have the kill spell(s) in the graveyard and nothing to take the needed cards back to your Hand either...by discarding Kozilek you can repeat the proces until you have everything you need on the hand.
4 months ago
Alright here is a ton of cards that seems to fit the theme. Some are definitely better then others I'm just giving a list of cards. Some of these cards are not budget
Hope you find something useful within all these!
4 months ago
However, the rest have issues:
- Meletis Charlatan and Spectral Searchlight are both cards that can be used to only give a benefit to you. This is why I wrote the first point under "What this list doesn't include" that way was to eliminate cards that aren't true group hug cards. Another example of cards like these is Heroes' Reunion, which is more obviously not a group hug card.
- Bazaar Trader gives you no reason/benefit to activate the ability, and as such, is not truly a group hug card for the list, as per the first point under "What this list includes".
4 months ago
Aethaleon I dig the ability, though I'd rather use it in a more snake heavy deck, and jordanalessi, I dig those two choices. Only question is how it would affect the mana base since this deck doesn't really have much ramp. I may end up starving myself since Natural Balance would be devastating if you were running mana rocks and the like. Good cards to keep in mind if I feel like pulling even more shenanigans.