Hello my good sir. I appreciate the feedback on Multani. I was hoping for feedback for my IRL deck Azusa. I have it the way I like, but I feel there is always more to improve.
September 18, 2020 5:15 p.m.
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Thanks ScionLocke :),
I like Ashaya, Soul of the Wild, but I will not be adding it in this deck. First off, you will need to have landfall cards in play for the second ability to be worthwhile, which is not always going to be the case. Second, you will then need to have a lot of creature spells to get value out of it, while here my creature count is quite low. So just getting more lands into play is probably a better way to go here instead of turning creatures into lands. Sure, it does also turn your creatures into dorks, but that's not really an effect I'm looking to get. I think Ashaya is more at home in landfall decks that also play a lot of creatures and/or focuses on bouncing and replaying creatures (like landfall-centered Karametra, God of Harvests builds). If tokens would also become forests, it would be a different story (but then the card would probably be broken). In low-creature landfall decks, I think Ulvenwald Hydra, or maybe even Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar have more useful upsides compared to Ashaya.
Hope this made sense :). Thanks for following the list for so long! I appreciate the support.
September 26, 2020 10:01 a.m.
Glacial Chasm is a great defensive tool that helps you mainly when you are ahead, or when you are behind.
It can secure you the win after making an explosive play that makes you the archenemy of the game. Let's say we start activating Gaea's Cradle 3 times in a turn to cast a Genesis Wave for X=20+. Or if you cast a Scapeshift at 8+ lands. If that did not already kill the table, everyone is surely going to gang up on you. Glacial Chasm will make it very hard for them to kill you in the next turn rotation. And you probably only need one more turn to finish the job. So it's great for when you are ahead.
It's also great for when you are behind and you need time to setup before you can become aggressive, let's say after a boardwipe. If there is another player that is getting out of control, Glacial Chasm can help you turtle up until you find an answer or the means to take them out. Then, paying any cost is lower than losing the game. So even if you don't have land recursion or lifegain to combo with Chasm, it's still a great card for when you are behind as well.
September 25, 2020 5:18 p.m.
@Profet93: I forgot to reply to your question about Finale. Dryad Arbor is a creature with a CMC of 0. So you can play a Green Sun's Zenith or a Finale of Devastation with X is 0 and ramp into Dryad Arbor. That brings extra flexibility to these tutors.
September 25, 2020 5:56 a.m.
@ blacksh1ft: Wow, nice of you to catch that one :). I watched an epsode of the EDHRECcast recently about evaluating modal cards. They made a good point that modal cards aren’t really worth the extra cost if you are only using one mode. That is true I think for Garruk, Primal Hunter. Almost all of the time I use the draw ability. And only a very few times I make a token first. I have never used its ultimate ever. So I’m paying GGG for that draw effect when I can also run an instant version that only requires G, which might actually have a more relevant 2nd mode to boot! Can’t say yet which one is better, because I need a bunch or real games to get a feel for Return of the Wildspeaker in this deck. But I suspect the planeswalker card is not returning.
@ Profet93: Thanks for the compliment! I just like to write :). Getting those thoughts out there also gets me into conversations like this, which I really like. Are you also running a M&D list btw? Lets over your questions:
- Deserted Temple: I did consider this card, but I felt it was more at home in a deck that is focusing on untapping lands multiple times. So I’ve put in in another deck. Also, activating Gaea's Cradle 3 times using Mina and Denn, Wildborn is usually more than enough ;).
- Bane of Progress: this card is indeed a good contender for a sweeper. You are right that we can take the hit most of the time, while our opponents will probably be hit worse. I might add it someday, but not right now. Also, I’m not sure I would add it in place of Terastodon. I would agree though that Terastodon is one of the more awkward cards in the deck atm (I was really hoping they’d print a cards with “landfall - destroy target artifact or enchantment” but maybe that’s just too OP). I do like terastodon because it can answer 3 specific problems beyond artifacts and enchantments. Still, I will think about your suggestion. Might be a good swap in the end.
- Terror of the Peaks & Warstorm Surge: These cards feel very at home here :). They are really turning this deck into the thing I wanted to create more of the time. The’ve already turned Genesis Wave into an I-win-now card, and they are just really nice with all those token makers indeed. Especially Scute Swarm. Also, I'm not really trying to emphasize the going tall theme here. The cards that do care about power in this deck are already good with Mina and Denn, which is why I run them.
- Nissa, Vital Force & T&T: I’ve written a lot about why Nissa is not in this deck :D. Check my “Build Considerations” and “Why are you not running X” sections in the primer. T&T is also in that last section: I just don’t really like T&T and prefer not to win that way in this deck.
September 25, 2020 4:53 a.m.
This is a very interesting deck I think. It’s different in that almost half your deck is lands. Also, you have a lot of different ideas going on here: land matters, power matters, eldrazi aggro, with a sprinkle of going wide. That probably creates a challenging deckbuilding balancing act. You might be spreading yourself too thin by having all those things in one deck. Especially because you have so few spots for supporting themes because your high land count. My main tip is: see if you can reduce the amount of themes for a higher focus and synergy. I've found that taking out one or two of such themes out and use them as the inspiration for a new deck can be very rewarding.
What I also noticed is that your list is quite a “glass cannon” kind of build. If it works, it works well, but I expect it is also relatively susceptible to be blown out by interaction. You also don't run a lot of interaction yourself. That’s not really my thing, as my meta would punish me too hard for trying. This tells me we play in very different environments, so take my suggestions with a grain of salt ;).
There a few cards here I would consider to cut:
- Zendikar Resurgent, Shamanic Revelation: These don’t synergize with your themes very well. You only run about 20 creatures, so resurgent is not going to draw that many cards. And with only 4 token makers, shamanic revelation is not really ideal either.
- Mind's Eye: I don’t think this card is worth running in edh anymore. Especially in green. Very slow and expensive.
- Boundless Realms: You don’t run a lot of landfall pay-offs. Perhaps a card that is a payoff by itself is a better use here.
Cards I would consider adding for better consistency
- Lightning Greaves: protects Azusa early and facilitates your eldrazi win-con later.
- Crashing Drawbridge: Another great haste enabler to facilitate your eldrazi aggro plan
- Dryad Arbor, Green Sun's Zenith and Finale of Devastation: in this deck I imagine you want access to Ramunap Excavator probably every game, so running GZS and FoD are a no-brainer imo. Adding Dryad Arbor is the icing on the cake to also have 2 more rampant growths in your deck for when Cow or Ramunap are already in your hand. I’d probably cut a few of the land tutors to make room for them: Sylvan Scrying and Realms Uncharted. I would also rate creature tutors over Seek the Horizon, because ramunap + any fetch draws you more lands.
- Ancient Greenwarden: another ramunap effect that can be tutored up and has a high power.
- Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip: I like this card for increasing consistency.
Lastly, I would make a choice between growing tall and going wide. The power matters theme is probably a better match than the going wide one, as your Eldrazi aggro plan is already matching with that (however, landfall supports the going-wide route very well, so you could really go either way). Here are some contenders to consider if you decide to go for power matters:
- Return of the Wildspeaker: alternative to Shamanic revelation if you decide to embrace going tall.
- Prowling Serpopard, Wayward Swordtooth, Kogla, the Titan Ape: utility and hate creatures that support your strategy, while also providing a high power for your power matter cards.
Hope there are some ideas here that match with your vision for the deck.
GL & HF!
September 19, 2020 8:08 a.m.
Hey Profet93, I see you also have a Multani deck. Nice! I have a few tips for you to consider:
- There are some additional cards now that let you draw cards equal to the highest power among creatures you control: Grothama, All-Devouring and Return of the Wildspeaker. Garruk's Uprising is also a great new draw option. Consider cutting Momentous Fall and Lifecrafter's Bestiary
- With drawing so many cards, I found running a few cheap land tutors to get Reliquary Tower has a lot of merit: Sylvan Scrying and Crop Rotation
- I’m confused by Rogue's Passage. Can’t use that on Multani :).
- Castle Garenbrig gets you Multani out a turn early while the opportunity cost is basically 0
- I’m excited for Inscription of Abundance from the new set
- On a more general note, I think you can work on your mana curve: cutting some 3-drops for 2-drops for example. I recently added Ilysian Caryatid and Whisperer of the Wilds as relevant 2-drop options. Crashing Drawbridge is also really nice.
September 18, 2020 4:39 a.m.
Thanks Profet93 :). I like your questions! They makes me reconsider card assessments formed long ago. Let’s dig into our new ones:
- Yavimaya Hollow: a card I like and play in other decks. I also considered it for this deck several times. However, every time I do I feel it just does not belong in this deck. I think the reason why I feel that way is because it’s not the creatures that need protecting most of the time (or that I don’t want to focus on protecting them). Opponents could kill Mina and Denn, Wildborn sure. But they are just an enabler for the deck. Not a key piece, like in decks where I do run Hollow. The deck does not really have many vital pieces like that. On certain moments, yes, hollow will save that one creature you needed for the explosive play, so I do agree it would be a useful include. I just don’t think it is necessary or used very often. A bit like Kessig Wolf Run maybe. To be honest, the threshold of getting one in FOIL also contributes to a feeling of resistance nowadays. However, I can totally see anyone swapping out Spikefield Hazard for Yavimaya Hollow if they feel differently. It might be a good idea to test this one again just to see what happens.
- If I’d cut Retreat to Kazandu now - which I won’t ;) - I’d probably go for another 2-mana ramp piece or put Krosan Tusker back in. I did just put in Rampant Growth in the last update, so I’m already up a ramp piece (5 now) to skip a turn for M&D. Sol Ring is a no go for me because of the total lack of synergy. Life from the Loam was cut in the last update for Ancient Greenwarden and the deck does not need a 4th effect like that I think. Eternal Witness is nice to have, especially with all the green creature tutors, so that is also a valid choice. Has creeped up on my maybe list rank recently because of Valakut Exploration. Depending on your meta, you can also consider something like Vexing Shusher for the spot.
- Ancient Tomb: I have a similar opinion on this land compared to hollow and kessig wolf run. They all provide a little something for the deck, but creating a spot for them is just terrible. Apart from Spikefield Hazard there are no lands I am willing to cut atm. Blast Zone has been a strong answer on a land so far that’s easily found. Khalni Garden has a lot of applications and synergy, Radiant Fountain I like for the same reasons as Retreat to Kazandu. Cryptic Caves and Temple of Abandon get you out of dead situations, which I value more than the benefits of the competition. Most other lands feel like they are kind of set in stone now.
September 18, 2020 4:05 a.m.
Great questions! I agree with you Retreat to Kazandu does not seem impactful. However, I really like he card and do think it is well worth the inclusion. This is because it is a versatile landfall card that we can play early, before Mina and Denn, Wildborn hit the table. Also, the fact that it does not seem impactful (not likely to draw out removal) and that it's an enchantment (hard to remove) means it’s going to stick around the rest of the game in a lot of cases. So starting with our 4th land drop, we are going to get a lot of landfall triggers over the course of the game. Let’s assume 8 - 10 would be the average. That would be 16 - 20 life already, and that has made the difference between winning or losing in certain games. It is especially relevant when you become the archenemy of the game. This is not a combo deck that wins on the spot most of the time (by design), so after we make an explosive play we are going to have to sustain some beating for a turn or two from the rest of the table to secure the win in those cases. Retreat can help you do that similar to how Glacial Chasm can. It’s just a little less obvious. Those 2 cards are not used together super often, but both increase your resilience quite well on their own. As a bonus, there is this nice play pattern, going Retreat to Kazandu into Mina and Denn into either Garruk, Primal Hunter or Rishkar's Expertise for some extra cardraw.
Is I think it’s necessary? No, not really. Can it be cut for something else? Definitely :). I just happen to really like it still.
September 17, 2020 6:06 p.m.
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