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- Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary + Staff of Domination
- Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary + Seeker of Skybreak + Umbral Mantle
- Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary + Seeker of Skybreak
Legality
| Format | Legality |
| Archenemy | Legal |
| Arena | Legal |
| Big Apple Highlander | Legal |
| Block Constructed | Legal |
| Canadian Highlander | Legal |
| Casual | Legal |
| Commander: Rule 0 | Legal |
| Custom | Legal |
| Duel Commander | Legal |
| Freeform | Legal |
| Gladiator | Legal |
| Highlander | Legal |
| Historic | Legal |
| Historic Brawl | Legal |
| Legacy | Legal |
| Leviathan | Legal |
| Limited | Legal |
| Oathbreaker | Legal |
| Planar Constructed | Legal |
| Planechase | Legal |
| Premodern | Legal |
| Quest Magic | Legal |
| Tiny Leaders | Legal |
| Vanguard | Legal |
| Vintage | Legal |
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Legendary Creature — Elf Druid
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Rhadamanthus on Just double checking
2 months ago
It depends on what type of Commander format you're asking about. In the official Commander format, there is no separate "banned as commander" list (there used to be, but that was changed several years ago), and Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary is just banned. However, in the unofficial "Duel Commander" format, Rofellos is only on the "banned as commander" list but is otherwise allowed (link).
MLS91 on Just double checking
2 months ago
Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary is banned as a commander but playable in a deck? Double checking before I drop some cash
Fluggleshmuggits on
Cube Eternal
4 months ago
IN IN IN
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Gut, True Soul Zealot
Sylvan Safekeeper
Keen-Eyed Curator
Birthing Ritual
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Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary
Ursine Monstrosity
Amalia Benavides Aguirre
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Bloodbraid Challenger
Nexus of Becoming
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Kitesail Freebooter
Unearth
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Eidolon of the Great Revel
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Soul Sear
Greater Gargadon
Rancor
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Zealous Persecution
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Epicurus on People's Thoughts on Mommy Norn?
2 years ago
"She's a great roadblock for decks that combo off to go infinite. You know the ones, where you chain together ETB effects to garner infinite tokens / draw / mana / burn. {...} we've all seen them either in person or online with YouTube."
I was looking through all of my decks, both decks that I own and prototypes, and found very few that Big Momma Norn actually shuts down. There are a few that she hinders, there are a couple interactions in each of them that she denies, but the only ones that I see her as a scoop-worthy opponent to are my Yarok decks and my GW Soul Sisters deck. Which brings me to why I quoted the paragraph above from a previous comment.
As other users have already stated on this thread, I also don't play infinite combos. I do have one such combo in one of my decks, but (a) it happened by accident, (b) it's a 3-card combo in a deck that doesn't run tutors, (c) it doesn't have anything to do with ETB triggers, and therefore isn't nerfed by Ma Norn, and (d) is absolutely not necessary for the deck to win. Is that deck effected by Norn being on the board? To some extent, absolutely. Can it win against a Norn deck? Again, absolutely.
(The deck I'm referring to is Mazirek's Nut Sac, in case anyone wants to look at it and argue otherwise).
I can see this card being a nuisance if all or most of your decks rely heavily on ETB triggers, or if you play infinite combos that require ETB triggers, but for no other reason. And honestly, I'm glad if the latter is the case.
Honestly, on a different note, I don't see her shutting down more decks than Kunoros, Hound of Athreos does. And did Kunoros flood the format? Absolutely not. Why not? Because there are too many decks that operate perfectly fine in it's presence. It only attacks one specific archetype, and only slightly hinders others. That's why you see Kuranos much more often as part of the 99 than as commander. If Ma Norn is different, it's only because there are way too many decks being played in the format that absolutely depend on ETB triggers. In that case, she'll really only serve to help diversify the format, which is exactly the opposite of what gets a card banned.
Cards get banned because they flood and homogenize the format. Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary was banned because, at the time, you couldn't keep up with that deck, so there was no reason to play anything else. Leovold, Emissary of Trest was banned because drawing is one of the most fundamental aspects of the format, and therefore wrecked every single deck archetype, and subsequently became a "play him or lose to him, your choice" kind of commander. I could go on, but basically the ban hammer comes down when a very large percentage of decks are built around that card, thereby rendering most other decks obsolete. It's really more of a business decision than anything, because flooding a format with one card means less sales of anything else. It's also just not any fun for people who want to build anything else to know that they're going to see that one deck over and over and can't beat it. Again, cards become banned when they enter the category of you have to play them, or you're going to lose to them.
On that subject, I personally wish that Thassa's Oracle would be banned. There are way too many of those decks out there, and they're not any fun to play against. I'd also like to recommend Cyclonic Rift for the hammer, because it is my number one hurt feels card (it's not just a board wipe, it's a one-sided middle finger for everyone). And no, neither of those can be in the command zone to start the game. However, both are infinitely less situational than Ma Norn. They're both devastating to every single deck archetype, not just the most popular ones.
And my final thought on the subject is that there are many other better and more versatile Stax commanders. Tegrid has been mentioned a lot on this thread, and for good reason. Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir could be added to that discussion. Grand Arbiter Augustin IV might not shut down any decks, but puts you at a +2 or +3 mana advantage, which is much less situational than the advantage Ma Norn gives you. Shit, even Archelos, Lagoon Mystic, a very underrated commander, whom a lot of people overlook, has much more of a capability of shutting down a much wider category of deck archetypes than does Ma Norn, and has a much better color identity if you want to play Stax. I'm not saying that Archelos is a better card, not by a long shot. I'm just trying to illustrate how dumb it would be to cry for the hammer to come down on Ma Norn before she ever even sees the command zone. She's not going to flood the format, won't wreck the game, and really just makes mono-white a viable option and nothing else.
Anyway, that's my rant.
bushido_man96 on
Good Ol' Kamahl
2 years ago
Hate to be the one to tell you this, as that is my favorite card, but Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary is banned in Commander.
legendofa on What Commander Do You Think …
2 years ago
Grubbernaut From a very casual Commander player to a cEDH player, do you have an opinion on Braids, Cabal Minion or Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary as part of the banlist? I personally feel like those two in particular are not overpowered as commanders at this point, nor do they lead to especially prohibitive or overwhelming lines of play. I don't think dominance is the only, or even main, criterion for an EDH ban, but am curious about your opinion as a more competitive player.
plakjekaas on What ONE card would you …
3 years ago
420MensRightsActivist I'd say that Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt strongly disagree with your assessment of the situation. If you Jeweled Lotus out Marwyn, the Nurturer into land + Quirion Ranger on turn 1, you can Invigorate into Ashaya, Soul of the Wild and go infinite mana on turn 2. What's the Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary line that's faster?
The speed of high-power EDH is largely decided by fast mana rocks nowadays, and Rofellos is incredibly poorly equipped to take advantage of those. Which is why I mentioned it in this topic.
Niko9 on What ONE card would you …
3 years ago
I definitely agree on Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary In an elf deck, I'm not even sure if he'd make the cut. There is just so much mana generation at this point that a green creature that ramps would have to be nuts, absolutely nuts, to actually be broken.
Honestly, I think they just need to reset the banlist at some point. The way that things have been added and taken off over time leaves it in a disjointed state. If everyone sat down, had a set criteria, and came up with a new list every few years, it would be a much more cohesive list.
