EternalBrewmaster Deckling

EDH player, nearly have one deck in every color combination possible. Only Jund remains unfinished. I am constantly rebuilding my decks and am never really satisfied with them.

The Case for the Best Card Draw Color in EDH NOT Being Blue

I typically build my EDH decks according to the EDH Law of Perfect Squares. That is, 36 lands, 64 non-lands. One of the non-lands is obviously the commander and some of the 64 cards need to be mana ramp/acceleration. This method stands up in the modern-mulligan environment after the rules change of 2016 where partial Paris mulligans were taken away as long as the deck is still built well.

I would like to make the case for best card draw color in EDH. This is often mentioned offhand and it always bothers me for some reason. People seem to assume that it is blue because blue is the best at drawing cards in all the other formats, but I think it is a solid third best in EDH. What are the best cards in EDH in blue for drawing? Consecrated Sphinx, Rhystic Study, Azami, Arcanis, Recurring Insight, and X spells right? Those either require your opponents to draw, not pay for a tax or for you to have an abundance of wizards or mana to dump into an X spell. They are not efficient or capable of massive draws or abusable cantrips to fuel big turns except for combo with Azami or Arcanis maybe.

By contrast, green, which is far and away the best card draw color in EDH, has stuff like Momentous Fall, Shamanic Revelation, Collective Unconscious, Greater Good, Inspiring Call, Soul of the Harvest, Garruk's Packleader, Regal Force, Life's Legacy, Soul's Majesty, the enchantress shell cantrippers like Argothian Enchantress, Enchantress' Presence, Verduran Enchantress, not to mention all the ways to tutor in green for the creature you need right now to just draw a bunch of cards. The reason that these options are better than blue in EDH is because they reward you for the strategy you're already playing in green. Are you playing big dudes and a lot of them, or at least a lot of dudes? Yes, you are because you're playing green, and that's what these draw spells reward you for. You can drop an Avenger of Zendikar and then next turn cast shamanic revelation and draw 8+ cards probably for 5 mana and still have at least 3+ mana open probably, and that is worst case scenario. This strategy is superior to blue also in that unlike Consecrated Sphinx or Rhystic Study, it doesn't paint a huge target on your head. Nobody is going to say, "Oh he/she has an AoZ, they're gonna draw a ton of cards!"

The second best color for card draw, and really it's hard to say which is better, is black. It has Necropotence, Dark Prophecy, Grim Haruspex, Harvester of Souls, Kothophed, Decree of Pain, Skullclamp (I know it's not black, but it is played in probably 100% of black decks and since black decks most efficiently sac their own dudes, black decks abuse this card the best), Disciple of Bolas, Phyrexian Arena, Dark Confidant, all of the instants and sorceries that say lose life and draw cards (e.g. sanguimancy, Necrologia, and Skeletal Scrying) and my new favorite, Infernal Tribute, or even Phyrexian Etchings. The reason most of these are superior is because again they abuse the strategy you're already doing in black very efficiently. Black is abusing the graveyard and these say draw cards when you do that, or pay life to draw cards (and probably gain it back because there's plenty of lifegain in black).

ZaneOlric3 says... #1

So it's clear that you know what your doing if you have a deck in every color. So could you look at this deck? Deck capture. I'd like an experts opinion on ways to improve

January 13, 2017 11:27 a.m.

Uncle Istvan unfortunately is not legal as a commander as he isn't legendary. So Gonti, Lord of Luxury is the general of the deck just to be a value engine and I'll tutor for Istvan. The deck is just themed to be voltron with a funny card nobody knows. And I don't get to play all the decks regularly. I kind of rotate through them ever few weeks and certain ones less often because people have a bad reaction to the generals, like Narset, Enlightened Master. Teneb and Vish Kal make for very different deck imo. Having green for Teneb can make the deck way faster and less focused on your own graveyard. Vish Kal is very internally combo-oriented. Best of luck with your brewing.

January 8, 2017 10:19 p.m.

chirz2792 says... #5

That's pretty sweet that you have all of them. Do you get a chance to play all of them regularly or are there some that see way more play than others? Didn't realize Uncle Istvan was legal as a commander. Also props again for that awesome vish kal list. I threw him in my teneb deck and now I'm sorely tempted to convert the deck over to him instead. Not sure if it's worth it though.

January 8, 2017 8:48 p.m.

chirz2792 I own all of them except for Crazy Istvan's Wild, Luxurious Ride which is a deck I'm just brewing. They are all catalogued on here exactly as I have them in real life plus or minus a couple specific card changes. My deck Vish Kal, I am the Sword in the Darkness and my deck The Statistically Most Unique 5 Color EDH Deck are my favorites in that order. I also have a folder of my 5 favorite decks if you look in my folders. All of my decks are built with creativity and interesting games in mind over winning expeditiously. Thanks for taking a look.

January 7, 2017 7:18 p.m.

chirz2792 says... #7

You have a lot of decks. Do you own all of them in paper? Also do you have a favorite?

January 7, 2017 6:29 p.m.

It's 32 decks actually with colorless included. I wasn't counting the 4 color decks as those just became possible, but I have almost all of the other 27 possibilities. Also, if you look at my decks none of them are remotely close to $200 as far as I know. I've been building them over the course of years and I've never just bought a whole deck at once, only singles over time. My decks are probably worth between $20-30k. Look at Enchantress Oops! All Permanents for example.

January 3, 2017 6:51 p.m.

Temur_Frontier says... #9

Every color combo possible? That's 31 decks! Idk about you, but my EDH decks average out somewhere in the $100-$200 range. And I have 6 decks. Just saying $3,100-$6,200 is alot, and I wish I could spend that much on magic lol.

January 3, 2017 5:48 p.m.

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Trading Post is too much flavor and too useful to cut IMO. Why play Heroic Intervention? I can see cutting that for Hull Breach. Martyr's Bond underwhelms me typically, so that seems like the best cut for T&N.

January 21, 2017 12:20 a.m.

Said on The Call of ......


I'm glad to hear it! Thanks for the upvote. I'll update the description eventually and categorize the cards like on some of my other decks.

January 20, 2017 12:11 p.m.

Emzed he seems to think, or have experienced in real life, that this deck can reliably kill people in the early turns of the game with little help. If you're only playing to win as fast as possible then maybe he really doesn't need it. But I have it in my Uril deck and routinely tap Serra's Sanctum for 5-20 mana and must say it's great. But he seems pretty set on his current design and that's fine for him.

January 19, 2017 7:04 p.m.

I'm glad you're so happy with your design! I can tell that we just have very different design philosophies and goals. I hope you keep enjoying playing this deck then!

January 19, 2017 3:35 p.m.

No doubt lil_cheez, but if I had it then this deck wouldn't be all permanents would it? And playing Primal Surge just makes all the hard work of doing all the combos kind of moot. A better explanation even is that if I cast the Surge, then I wouldn't get all the cast triggers for Sigil of the Empty Throne to make angels and I would be committed to win somehow that turn because I would have nothing left in my library so I would lose on my next draw step and wouldn't be able to cast any more enchantments from my hand because all my enchantress effects would be in play.

January 19, 2017 12:14 p.m.

My point was that the core of any voltron deck based on auras should be enchantress draw effects. They give you the steam to keep drawing more stuff to put on your general.

My recommended cuts are:

  1. Hunter's Insight use enchantress draw effects
  2. Regrowth you have enough mass enchantment reanimation
  3. Faithless Looting use enchantress draw effects
  4. Vow of Wildness since you have so many ways to give trample and other forms of evasion and the vows are just the least powerful of all of them for the upside they give.
  5. Edge of Autumn since it's really only good very early
  6. Wild Growth since you don't have anything like Arbor Elf
  7. Pentad Prism because there are just so many better ways to ramp

Things that are really critical to add:

  1. Eidolon of Blossoms
  2. Serra's Sanctum if you can afford it, it's price has been dropping lately
  3. One with Nature
  4. Sage's Reverie
  5. Lignify
  6. Song of the Dryads
  7. Sun Titan for more repeatable reanimation

Also, the deck I linked you to is my deck so I'm aware of what it is :) I wasn't telling you to change your deck to be like mine because mine is very particularly focused, but there's still a lot of great unique stuff in it that you might consider.

Some last fun thoughts for voltron auras:

  1. Sigarda's Aid
  2. Epic Proportions
  3. Kumano's Blessing
January 19, 2017 12:10 p.m.

For another take on an Uril deck that has evolved a bit further check out Enchantress Oops! All Permanents. I would recommend playing more of the enchantress draw effects than stuff like Hunter's Insight and the like.

January 19, 2017 1:23 a.m.

lil_cheez that has been mentioned in the past and as I said to those people, Primal Surge is the definition of easy mode and is a waste of a slot in what is otherwise a very fun deck to play. I'll make a note in the description that it has been deliberately excluded.

January 18, 2017 8:44 p.m.

Said on Wincon Warp World...


I don't like playing cards that just say "I win" when I play them. The whole point of playing EDH for me is to have interesting games that develop into complex board states. So where's the fun in playing a two card infinite combo where you have access to one of them as your general? It's much more appealing to me to populate my mountains and Humble Defectors and then use Homeward Path on the end step :). And then cast warp world with 50 tokens on the battlefield and randomly hit Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle and 20 mountains.

January 17, 2017 11:15 p.m.

Yeah I'm slotting it into my Kiki-Jiki deck because Kiki can easily control the number of permanents in play by making tokens. Elixir of Immortality would be a cool facsimile for the Water of Life too!

January 17, 2017 6:36 p.m.



Here JohnnyBoyG, have a cookie.

January 16, 2017 12:21 p.m.

Cool, so does my LGS. Where is your store and what is it called? I'm always looking for more interesting places to visit when I travel.

January 16, 2017 12:20 p.m.

"This deck is designed to make the table play fun and fair to compete at a FNM/local gamestore standard."

What do you mean, since this is an EDH deck and not standard?

I love the idea of building an Adamaro deck, so well done.

January 16, 2017 11:08 a.m.



i second Key to the City. also i dgaf about standard but i always upvote for gremlins

January 15, 2017 2:20 p.m.

For more mana ramp ideas and artifact stuff that works in these colors check out my Sen Triplets deck namedThe Esper Glass Cannon Deck

January 13, 2017 12:33 p.m.

It looks alright, although I would say that picking on one person is generally not a fun way to play and likely will make that person feel like they don't enjoy playing with you afterwards. It looks like it could use significantly more mana ramp and Wrexial, the Risen Deep. Maybe Puca's Mischief. Why are you running Koskun Falls instead of Sphere of Safety? Also, Unhallowed Pact is generally not good enough for EDH unless you are comboing it with something. The first big change I would make is adding a lot more mana ramp.

January 13, 2017 12:04 p.m.

Said on All Your Card ......


I always upvote Gonti because he's awesome. Why no Mikaeus, the Unhallowed? Puppeteer Clique also seems on theme.

January 13, 2017 10:35 a.m.

Needs Moar Plague of Vermin

January 13, 2017 10:28 a.m.

Yeah I definitely get the flavor from it and if it's necessary for your mets then definitely keep it. I'll leave the choice to include the hydra and cut to you then. I wish you could add Chaos Moon too just because it looks like Dune sort of.

January 12, 2017 5:19 p.m.

Yeah I hope you can get the hydra in because it's perfect. Maybe cut Enlightened Tutor. Idk what that's specifically supposed to reference in the story but I'm not a huge fan of tutors personally. And extort doesn't actually affect the card's color identity for EDH as it is in reminder text for the ability and not actually in the rules text. It's a well known case that you can probably find any number of people concur on in a quick google search.

January 12, 2017 1:03 p.m.


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