I really want this deck to be competitive and would be able to finish an opponent fast, any suggestions is highly appreciated.. maybe play-test this with your modern deck.. thanks!
Please check my other Modern deck, which involves a more controlled aggressiveness.. Do you feel that aura?
"Played as casual, maybe as modern. Find out when you play against me"
Then my newly acquired set of Stomping Ground s is added, replacing a Treetop Village , 2 Forest s and a Mountain .. also balanced the ratio of basic lands according to the number of green and red cards..
Other changes are: -1 Burn the Impure , -4 Guttural Response , +3 Magma Spray for those irritating creatures that has abilities when they die such as Sprouting Thrinax ; +2 Blood Moon for tri-color decks..
Vexing Devil seems to be the only one who doesn't have haste, why not changing it to another fast creature?
@Jerald - yeah.. but i think the pressure that Vexing Devil creates when i cast it on my 1st turn, helps my cause in killing the opponent early.. some of my friends actually suggested to remove it as well.. but i think is doesn't go against a fast deck.. but thanks for the input!
Slagstorm or Pyroclasm should replace Beast Within in the main deck, since mass removal is missing from your deck.. that can be your downfall, especially of the popularity of token deck nowadays in standard format.
Gruul Turf , Stomping Ground , Fire-Lit Thicket and Skarrg, the Rage Pits are good lands for gruul decks, plus Ball Lightning , Groundbreaker and card:Hell's Thunder are good replacement creatures for Vexing Devil , if your looking at creatures with haste
@Sistajas - Gruul Turf and Skarrg, the Rage Pits are too slow for me.. since every turn i want to maximize every turn.. Stomping Ground is quite expensive for me, but Fire-Lit Thicket is good.. going to save enough money for that.. Ball Lightning and Groundbreaker , is quite useless especially when there are tough creatures in the middle of the game.. card:Hell's Thunder is much better than the other two, but the unearth casting cost is quite heavy for a fast pace deck like this, i may test it t be sure.. thanks for the input!
@ErickLim - i have considered it once before.. my problem is, it is slow, unlike Vengevine where i can pressure the opponent as soon as it comes into the battlefield.. plus huntmaster can be Shock ed, Pillar of Flame d, or Pyroclasm ed as soon as it enters the battlefield.. but thanks for the input..
@pheonix_222 - yeah.. it's very expensive though.. i have no funds for it.. lol..
I wouldn't worry about Fire-Lit Thicket , It's not great for decks with lots of 1 mana spells like this one.
Karplusan Forest is a bit better in that it can tap for whichever color you need if you need it to, but at a cost of 1 life. It's up to you which you prefer though.
@pheonix_222 - looks like your right.. good thing i haven't bought a set of Fire-Lit Thicket .. haha! but I'm going to test Karplusan Forest first, because against other burn or affinity decks, that 1 life can be crucial.. but thanks for the input..
Kitchen Finks ? generic? Sure.. Good? You bet...
I would consider some red miracle effect spells. After all, only Bloodbraid Elf has cascade.
For a run-of-the-mill jund deck, this features very few lands and very few man lands..
Also why no Blightning ?
@mattil - uhmm.. actually, this is a Gruul deck as the description says.. I don't plan on making this a Jund by any means.. that is why there is no Blightning .. The man lands are enough, 2 tapped lands that can be a 3/3 trample ape for 1G, is better than Raging Ravine since this is a fast deck, having to kill on 3 to 6 turns..
Kitchen Finks is good sideboard card.. but with most burn decks that I have faced, I often out-burn them.. and I just don't know where to put it in my sideboard..
maybe Bonfire of the Damned is good, but I want to really play test it first, before buying.. since it is quite expensive..
@Sidneyious - actually, ErickLim already suggested Huntmaster of the Fells Flip .. the thing that I want with him is that when he comes into the field, opponent has two separate creatures to worry about, unlike Vengevine .. but I feel that vengevine is a better pick among the two.. Maybe I could add a few..
Branching Bolt could be a sideboard to replace Incinerate .. but is Pyroclasm a better mass removal? Arc Trail is a different type of branching bolt.. which i think is better, because it can blast the opponent directly.. thanks for the suggestions btw..
@m12fox - i'll test if it could work, maybe i could add one or two.. thanks!
Why not add a couple of Banefire s? for late game finishes?
@SethArg - hmm.. good idea! plus it can't be countered.. i'll test it to be sure.. thanks!
If they are sanctioned, then you shouldn't be allowed to play Bloodbraid Elf at all. It is to stop decks going 2 for 1 and swamping out control deck.
Yea I think you're mistaken, Since its banning Bloodbraid Elf is no longer legal in the Modern format, no matter which deck you want to play it in.
You might have misunderstood Wizard's reasoning for the banning as permission to use it in Non-Jund decks.
They said: "We wanted a card that top players consistently played four copies of in Jund, but ideally was less played in other top Modern decks."
So Bloodbraid Elf was banned because only Jund used it, but you still can't put it in any deck and call it Modern legal. If you're friends are cool playing with it that's fine, but don't try taking this to FNM without swapping her out.
@LeaPlath - thanks for the suggestions..
@pheonix_222 - actually, we play Modern legal in the shop I'm playing, and I still can use Bloodbraid Elf .. as long as I don't use it in a Jund deck.. It would still count as a sanctioned tournament.. As long as it isn't a live tournament..
However I get the impression that your judges let you get away with this because you think it's a legal play. I've asked Judges in the meantime and If it's a sanctioned Magic event, the banned list in meant to be adhered to, no exceptions.
If it's casual then you guys are free to play as you like, but even at FNM, Bloodbraid Elf should stay in the deckbox.
@pheonix_222 - I'm not the only only who thinks it's a legal play, that's why we didn't banned it in our Modern FNM.. Maybe we could adhere to it.. I may replace it in the meantime..
The idea is that the shops or players don't get to decide on a case by case basis what is legal; Wizards sets the official banned list and all sanctioned tournaments are expected to adhere to it. It doesn't matter what deck you play it in, if you are playing a sanctioned modern tournament then Bloodbraid Elf is not a legal card to play.
@pigfish320 - oh well.. that hasn't been the case in the past months.. if it will be banned, it has been good while it lasted.. won some, lost some..
Ghor-Clan Rampager is a pretty decent blood braid elf replacement. It may not be hasty but a very good body for cost and utility.
I would try Bonfire of the Damned over Banefire . Yes, there is the chance you would hit the card like turn 3-5 so it won't do that much good, but if you're running against affinity decks, it will do wonders if you do miracle it turn 3 or 4. It's a nice control piece and I think it will do more good than Banefire
@PriestessKikyo1 - thanks! =) my only problem with Boartusk Liege is that for 4cc card, Ghor-Clan Rampager is a better pump..And it has a surprise factor as well.. Vexing Shusher could be a good sideboard card, but I think my sideboard doesn't have enough space.. but thanks for the suggestions!
@MTdude - my problem with Bonfire of the Damned is the price.. Its too expensive.. If ever the price drops especially after it rotates out of standard format, I may consider buying and putting it in my sideboard to replace Banefire whenever I encounter an affinity or tribal decks.. thanks for the comment!
Bloodbraid Elf .. as long as I don't use it in a Jund deck.. It would still count as a sanctioned tournament.. As long as it isn't a live tournament..
Wizards of the Coast would like to have a word with your shop, then.
@Formortiis - please read the comment stream of my deck..I just didn't want to change the description of my deck.. Obviously, I'm using it for casual play only..
@KrzychuV25 - this is not a banned deck, just the BBE.. read the comment stream to get updated on what I use on which play, casual or sanctioned.
No, KrzychuV25 is right. This is a banned deck. If your LGS is letting you use this in sanctioned tournaments, then they should be banned from holding such tournaments as I don't want someone getting PP off a non-legal deck.
@Zephiel - I get what you mean, but please read the comment stream.. I only use BBE in casual plays, i replace them with ghor-clan rampager when it comes to sanctioned tournaments.. don't look at the fact that I use BBE as the cover of this deck with the format as modern, not casual.. And I don't feel like changing the description of this deck, so if u feel that I disregarding the rules of wizards by not playing BBE in sanctioned tournaments, then complain to them.. be my guest..
READ THE COMMENT STREAM
It's not my responsibility to read the comment stream. It's YOUR responsibility to keep the description and board up to date, however. As you have not, the deck is still illegal regardless of what you claim.
It's your responsibility to update the deck description. It's not a poster's ability to read the entire comment stream. Ergo, this deck is still illegal.
@LastEdegy: Very few people are going to read the entire comment stream before posting. If you want to address certain points, put them in the description. Otherwise, don't be surprised that people tell you the deck is illegal with Bloodbraid Elf .
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@TherealSpeetlebeetle - I know.. I'm not using BBE on sanctioned tournaments.. just for casual play.. I'm using her as my featured card, anyway..
Lands that enter tapped can really screw over an aggro deck, unless you have nothing to play, in which case you kept a terrible hand. That said, the one Treetop Village seems like it slows you down, as does a hand with only Rootbound Crag . For that reason I think that Copperline Gorge and Grove of the Burnwillows could replace both the aforementioned cards, perhaps a 3-2 split. Also Arc Trail can have problems of not having legal targets, against maybe a control player, and then you have a two mana Shock . I'd play another Rancor and another Boggart Ram-Gang over it. Just my opinions, and also dependent on your meta.
I like the idea :-)
I have an idea I'm working on myself that utilizes a similar strategy:
im gonna keep telling you Bloodbraid Elf is not legal until you move it to casual...
casual deck is casual... nothing more...
@APPLE01DOJ - Thanks!
@Dirt3pz - be my guest.. not gonna happen though..
Yeah, but Arc Trail is best in the sideboard. If you have a creature and try don't, you have to split the damage to your creature, as it's the only legal target...
Read the comment stream, still found this.
"P.S. I know that Bloodbraid Elf is banned in modern, but I would still play this in my playgroup / shop, because as long as I don't use it in a Jund deck, it is legal, even in sanctioned tournaments.."
It's been said to you before, but you can't use BBE in sanctioned events, and you even admitted it, so the best course of action might be to take that little tidbit of information off of your description or you'll keep getting spammed with people telling you BBE is illegal.
well im sorry that you are too lazy to mark your deck correct... and im kinda confused when you @ same time expect everyone else to read the comment stream...
its 8th time i enter this thread or so, and its getting kinda annoying that this casual deck keeps popping up in my modern list...
cant you move decks like you move topics in the forum? seems like OP refuses to move the deck to where it belongs...
since its still marked as a modern deck, i will once again tell you that Bloodbraid Elf is banned in modern...
Dirt3pz If it's banned, how come under legal formats it says "Modern". Bite me.
I understand it's banned, but like he said, it's basically legal until you gtebto sanctioned tournaments
@aeonstoremyliver - but it has served this deck well, besides there are only 2 copies.. I may replace it with something, but nothing good comes in mind yet.. maybe after a few expansions.. thanks!
@MagicMike69 - actually, I don't mind being spammed with "BBE is not legal" stuffs.. but you're right, I already removed it..
@Dirt3pz - yes, I'm lazy.. lol..
@__wakeup - yep, precisely.. Not going to change that I will use BBE in this deck nor would I change it to casual format in this site but, I will remove it in sanctioned tournaments..
I think you missed my comment, I suggested Kird Ape . Thoughts?
@infinitemana - oh! sorry, must have missed the second sentence.. hmm.. Kird Ape could be a good card to be considered.. I'm just questioning if it is good to play i turn 5 onwards, should it get to 5 turns.. and it not having haste, may slow the deck.. I'm going to play test it just in case.. Thanks!
If you are going to play this deck casually and not abide by the modern banned list it should not be in the modern hub.
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