At the beginning of your upkeep, if you control twenty or more creatures, you win the game.
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Epic Struggle Discussion
1 day ago
You can add some cards to give double strike allowing you to use your Commander's ability twice to make double the tokens you can use Blood Mist Fireshrieker Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion maybe add Epic Struggle as a alternate wincon Aura Shards and Throne of the God-Pharaoh are some pretty good cards for tokens I'd also take outCryptolith Rite for Earthcraft if you can afford as it is 40 bucks or more but it will let you tap tokens for Mana right away as opposed the next turn that you can use with Throne of the God-Pharaoh to do damage that turn.
4 weeks ago
Permafrost Orb of Dreams is a huge play maker in this deck with Amulet of Vigor effectively slowing the game to where i gain massive advantages. Sidisi was originally in my list of cards to add to this deck and may still get into the deck. I may remove Thoughtseize as it has done its job in the prototype of this deck, and can now be removed. Amulet/Orb is something that helps me out with the placing of a Golgari Rot Farm in the deck (to be announced). This weekend I'll be implementing a new card or two into the deck, mainly from my sideboard into mainboard. The Abyss and Nether Void make there way into the deck now. Along with this, I'm throwing in Torment of Hailfire as a win condition. Hymn to Tourach is extremely beneficial when playing the political game (like my LGS does) but I definitely see where it can come out. Especially if I want to play cards like Mind Twist some time in the future. Mind Shatter will be hitting this decks mainboard tonight as well to cripple big threat decks.Garruk Wildspeaker or Nissa, Worldwaker? I think Nissa wins a place in this deck over Garruk as she can fetch the basics (If i dont already have all my basics in play) I find that I should be adding an effect like Seedborn Muse into the deck as well to gain advantage over the board in stacking.I did consider Epic Struggle for this deck, however felt it would be too slow. With the mana acceleration, I also considered Omnath, Locus of Mana as a hard beater but determined that he was more of a situational card that does nothing for the mana that he hordes. It's been determined that this kind of deck does not like to leave mana open during players turns.
Arbor Elf why remove Arbor? It untaps a forest that may be needed to get pieces. It actually helped me win a game last night. lol (I was land screwed)
1 month ago
For a casual approach see my Treefolk deck: I like big trees and i cannot lie
1 month ago
Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord to combo out with Phyrexian Devourer? Perpetual Timepiece? Mortal Combat/ Epic Struggle? Ramunap Excavator instead of Crucible of Worlds? Magus of the Will instead of Yawgmoth's Will? For more reanimation abuse and will get you an extra zombie because it's a creature. Sidisi, Undead Vizier/ Rune-Scarred Demon instead of your tutors? For same reason.
2 months ago
Fair enough haha. I still say go edh, because it opens you up to easier wins with some of your cards. Since you start with 40 life Felidar Sovereign and Test of Endurance are easier to get. If you go with Sliver Queen as your commander, you can add in Epic Struggle since she is an excellent token generator. She also allows for an easy Coalition Victory win.That being said, there are a couple other cards with your theme that you can toss in. Platinum Angel and Gideon of the Trials give you an extra bit of time to win if someone is beating you down. Maze's End + guildgates is a win con in your land base. And lastly, Door to Nothingness is a nasty way to win and you may never reach the mana to use it, but it is a looming threat that can cause you to win if you get to 10 mana.
2 months ago
This deck has so many options to win, it's pretty much impossible to find out what could possibly be your next attempt...this is really cool in weaker playgroups because you will often pull off unexpected moves and people will never know what to expect.
One huge problem you will have though is that you lack focus. You can win with so many different tricks and combos that you may lose long before you even see two parts that go together, especially because most of the combos don't share a lot of cards and they don't work well together or even have completely different goals, like Barren Glory and Epic Struggle. The stronger your opponents are the less likely it becomes that you actually manage to go for a win. As soon as someone finds out what options you have in the current situation, it's very easy to disrupt because you can't just replace lost parts or search for another win option, you just have to wait what you draw into.
2 months ago
Now, are you gonna actually have any way to trigger even most of these wincons?
3 months ago
@TheDeckMaker2300:oh jeez, long comments necessitate long responses: (also, I havn't been on in a while, sorry)
The decklist hasn't bee updated, but the maybeboard sure has! I need to figure out what I can take out now...Also, apologies for the brutalistic formatting, i'm not sophisticated enough to make this reply look very nice.
Diabolic Tutor and other searches: i had more in at an earlier version, and while they are certainly good, they sort of take away from the fun of the deck. I found myself searching for and playing for the same 2 or three win cons every game, which is not the point of the deck. That's why i prefer more limited searches like Bring to Light or Wild Research
Final Fortune, I've thought long about. I'm still on the fence, but don't think it would be very fun to play against. Almost all of the win cons give the opponent a turn to respond (except Coalition Victory, hence banned) and this is so that there's interaction and counterplay. Final Fortune takes that away, and so while it certainly makes the deck better, (and fits the theme/playstyle perfectly!) I dont want to end games with a sudden. "oh hey, does anyone have any counter spells, or instant speed enchantment removal? if not, i win..." That being said, its such a cool card, it fits with the theme of big risks, big rewards (Doomsday), and can even be synergized with anti-lose mechanics! maybe if I found something to take out....
charge counters: the very first iteration of the deck was mostly about odd counter manipulation. I used all those weird storage counter lands, and could get them super high for a helix pinnacle insta-win. The problem is that those cards arn't very flexible, for the most part. theres a high likelihood that any of those proliferate or counter duplication cards would be dead drops in hand, or would become useless after someone o-ringed the win con. (granted, there are many cards in the deck which are dead drops (stupid Mortal Combat, I've never won with you...))
Barren Glory: ooooh, I am a big fan of Kaervek's Spite, so long as you inform your opponent beforehand that they are basically at 15 life to start (mind games!) I coulda sworn Apocalypse was banned, but even it if wasn't it does not look fun to play against.... I think I'll be making a spot for Kaervek's Spite asap, thanks. \
Infinite Reflections seems like a more expensive version of Mirrorweave, and as I only need the trigger to check once, the permanency is unnecessary. It's also less flexible, but can target legendaries... hmmmmm.... that might be sideboarded for my friends Kokusho, the Evening Star deck, at least.
Alhammarret's Archive: this is one baller card! i don't have a lot of creatures or attacking going on in this deck, and when i gain life, id rather it be in fell swoops, not in trickles, so this is awesome.
Epic Struggle: the problem is that most of the token generators are too slow to really make it- they would require at least 3 or 4 turns to get over 20 creatures. In order to make them viable, therefore, I'd have to run multiple copies, which again runs into the problem of having too much support for one win con. that being said, tokens make good chump blockers, so they wont be a dead drop ever... def on my watch list.
Amulet of Vigor would simply make this deck play two turns faster. it would be so good. It's 7$, but I may splurge for it...
for the gate synergy: I'm actually mana flooded more often than not, if you can believe it, so I'm loath to put in more ramp. i usually have a small graveyard, and a huge exile pile, otherwise Splendid Reclamation might be a good idea. (granted, with Morality Shift it would be killer!)
Helix Pinnacle: I'm actually happy with where this is right now- its a 1 drop that's hard to remove, and even if someone does remove it it's, again, a 1 drop so i won that trade. There are easy and cheap ways to get infinite mana, 99 paths to infinite mana, but i usually can afford to dump 1-3 mana in each turn, so mid to late game, when i'm sitting on near 20 mana, its a viable threat people have to watch out for. artifacts: neither of those really need that much support, and so whenever possible I try to save deck slots for those that need the support. that being said, if theres a way to get a large amount of artifacts out at once, feasibly, not just 4 or 5 or a slow growth, i might consider it.
MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!: lost cause... it has enough support in the deck to make it technically possible, but I'm resigned to it being a dead drop at this point...
Laboratory Maniac: i have Demonic Consultation in other decks, i don't recall why it isn't in this one... the problem with a lot of the cards that work with the manic is that they get close, but don't actually destroy my library. and given how easy he is to remove or work around, the combo needs to be perfect, or else trying for it just hurts me. That said, he is one of the more frequent ways I win, or at least one of the more frequent threats I have.
Mayael's Aria: I like the Colossus of Akros and Serra Avatar a lot- they both work as stalling mechanics, and that gives cover for their true purpose, the Aria! (do note, this deck is always in danger of just getting killed by people swinging at it... :( )
NDE: Hatred is niiiiice, however 6$, so i probably shouldn't find a slot for it... as far as NDE support goes, it's actually covered quite decently, this is another one of those cards which sees play a lot. the liches are super cool cards, and i dont think they work very well here, but I honestly would like to make a deck centered around those mechanics, or other 'below-0' life total mechanics.
I thought long and hard about Transcendence, but there's no way to make it viable without a ton of support, and
i already have a zedruu deck where Transcendence is just cruel in.
Thanks for your help! its always nice to see people taking an interest in something I've done, and its always awesome to get new ideas or have new combos pointed out to me!