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Arcane Melee occurrence in decks from the last year
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Arcane Melee Discussion
1 month ago
3 months ago
If you wanna go all-in on the spell copying i have a few things. You need cost reduction, in addition to Electromancer you have Baral, Chief of Cumpleaños , Arcane Melee , Mizzix of the Izmagnus , and Curious Homunculus Flip for creatures. There're also the Medallion artifacts( Sapphire , Emerald , and Ruby ) and Jace's Sanctum is an enchantment that also has you scry 1 each time you cast an instant or sorcery. You can also look at As Foretold , Throes of Chaos , and Maelstrom Wanderer as ways to get "free" spells so you can use the mana that the spells cost to instead copy them. You're also going to want more mana acceleration so you can cast multiple spells or utilize multiple copy effects the best dorks are Rattleclaw Mystic , BoP , and Sylvan Caryatid and for 2CMC rocks you have the Signets( Izzet , Simic , and Gruul ) and the Talismans ( Creativity , Curiosity , and Impulse ). If you don't want to rely on artifacts for ramp since they don't synergize with Riku Kodama's Reach and Cultivate are pretty much auto-includes for G ramp spells, and Nature's Lore , Farseek , and Skyshroud Claim to get non-basic Forests into play faster, this does mean you'll need more non-basic Forests so you should get Breeding Pool , Stomping Ground , and Sheltered Thicket . Once you have costs down you can focus on the value you get out of your spells an easy way is looking at Twiddle effects like Rewind , Frantic Search , Snap , and Unwind , similar to Peregrine Drake and Palinchron , they untap their costs worth of lands so when you copy them or reduce their costs they start to generate mana. Now that you've generated a stupid amount of mana you need things to do with it so you have Epic Experiment , Expropriate , Time Stretch , and Rishkar's Expertise for value and you can use Fireball , Fall of the Titans , Finale of Devastation , and Electrodominance to just straight up kill people. Additional ways to copy spells are Dualcaster Mage , Dual Casting , Repeated Reverberation , Bonus Round , and Increasing Vengeance and Echo Mage , and some added value effects you can use are Rashmi, Eternities Crafter and Sunbird's Invocation .
3 months ago
Let me start off by saying I hate being mana screwed, that being said, you should cut 2 islands to go down to 38 lands.
Cut Curious Homunculus, Docent of Perfection, Murmuring Mystic, Sphinx of Uthuun and Stormtide Leviathan. Talrand decks don't need creatures. The few good creatures to add are out of your budget. I know you have the polymorph package but the creatures you are getting arent even that good. If you want to make this optimized (even on a budget), replace them with the 5 following cards....
- Rapid Hybridization - Removal
- Essence Scatter - Counter
- Wizard's Retort - Or another counterspell
- Pongify - Removal
- Deep Analysis - Draw. Bonus points if you yell DEEP ANAL!
REMEMBER, the biggest issue with Talrand is being forced to tap out! Keep this in mind for below...
Cut Gravitational Shift for Misdirection - Shift is winmore. Misdirection allows you to interact while tappedout making opponents think twice before trying to remove your talrand. Note that misdirection can redirect removal, counter counterspells (should you not be the only blue player) and redirect some extra turn spells
For the 2 lands you cut, add Isochron Scepter and Future Sight - Scepter is just pure value (remember to make sure to have mana open to cast the imprinted spell AND another counterspell in hand to ensure they don't bait your counterspell!). Future sight, while redundant to Precognition Field , is very powerful. I understand it costs 1 more and reveals the card, but it allows you to play lands and everyone knows you are counterspell + draw tribal so it really doesn't matter. I would tell you to cut the field for future sight, but I think both might serve your deck well.
Cut Island (3rd island to cut) for Strip Mine / Ghost Quarter / Tectonic Edge , etc.... Cavern of Souls , Boseiju, Who Shelters All , urborg, coffers, field of the dead are all powerful cards that need to be dealt with.
Cut the polymorph package aside from polymorph itself
Cut Mass Polymorph for Narset's Reversal - Oh no, you cast Thought Distortion ? What ever will I do.... get's around can't be countered. What's better than countering their Torment of Hailfire ? Copying it and returning it back!
Be sure to let me know what you think of the sugge
3 months ago
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5 months ago
I like the toolbox look of this deck, a spell for every situation. I can see that you avoided combo's nicely, but I will say that Wishes are technically meta dependent since commander doesn't officially support them yet. But if your meta allows them, then all the more power to ya!
In case of wish cards not being allowed maybe try the following!
Now for suggestions - Un-budgeted:
Yawgmoth's Will : This card will allow you to replay spells already spent. Don't let its competitive stigma stop you from considering it!
Goblin Electromancer This guy will help you reduce costs without reducing other's costs as well.
Torrential Gearhulk get some extra value from your instants
Unbound Flourishing You play a lot of x costs, and this might help you out there!
I noticed that you had Arcane Melee in your deck. This card can be quite dangerous depending on your meta, so be careful when joining new pods with it. I know I've had it backfire on me several times!
I enjoyed looking through your deck and can't wait to see what future cards bring to it!
7 months ago
Ok, here we go;
Explosive Vegetation & Skyshroud Claim - at 4cmc they occupy very awkward spot for ramp, both regarding the fact that at 4 mana you can do better things and the fact taht they don't really help you speed into faster Riku cast. Hence these should be cut IMHO
Rude Awakening - for your purposes, there is almost a strictly better card than this. At 5cmc and at sorcery speed, this is very risky and limited. Turnabout costs 1 mana less (though it's , which is a very different cost), works at instant speed and can be used occasionally to disrupt others' wins.
Tempt with Discovery - you don't have any key lands you want to tutor for. This is just a "fun" and vastly overpriced piece of ramp for you. You can and should play better ramp than this.
Bag of Holding - I assume this is here because of the flavor. But it's a terrible card in here. You'd be surprised how much of your "need" for proxying would be alleviated if you wouldn't play bad cards.
Mind's Dilation - cute, but haos rarely works in your favor. And at 7cmc it's hella expensive for such randomness
Arcane Melee - there is a card you might like more. THis costs 5 mana and gives the discount to your opponents, which isn't really good. Jace's Sanctum gives you a smaller discount, but costs less to cast and gives all your spells additional value.
Chaos Warp - this is good in color combinations that lack some kinds of removal. With both green and red at your disposition, you can certainly deal with a wide array of threats, and paying 3 mana to remove something seems like too much.
Archmage's Charm modal spells are cool. But in a 3c deck is a red flag. You can't really expect to cast this reliably. In 1 or 2c, it would be ok, but in here it seems like a nonbo.
AEtherize - this seems irritating at best, and at 4 mana surely you should be casting better removal than this.
That's 10 slots to work with.
First off, ramp. Your land count seems fine regarding your commander's cmc and ramp requirements. But your ramp package is horrible. If you want to do stuff and do it soon, you need to play better ramp than you currently are. Better ramp should also enable you to keep more 2-land hands and make your mid-game stronger, which seems to be a problem as it is now.
Also, this would make Isochron Scepter and Dramatic Reversal stronger options. Scepter would already be very cool in the deck. And with this many artifacts around, Dramatic reversal would become a decent ritual. And those two together with new and improved ramp package are a neat combo you can use to finish games.
This would leave you with one flex slot. My suggestion would be either Swan Song or Nature's Claim , depending on which you fear more; spells or permanents. Also, regarding the meta and specific wincons you're packing, Natural State could be a decent replacement for Claim if you mind the lifegain.
Further optimization would aim to lower your curve, probably by compacting the copy theme and x-wincons, to include more cheap filtering/draw spells for value casting
10 months ago
So I'm not entirely sure how you play to win with Laboratory Maniac or Jace, Wielder of Mysteries . All the builds I've had with those cards use Demonic Consultation or Tainted Pact to exile their library, but I'm not sure how you plan to do that here outside using Sensei's Divining Top . I'm assuming I'm missing something. However, I've found that usually only one of those effects is necessary, so I'd consider cutting one of them (probably the Laboratory Maniac , as Jace, Wielder of Mysteries has applicability even if you're not going off).
Typically in EDH, I try to run around 33 or 34 lands. I've never been impressed with Halimar Depths , mainly because it ETBs tapped and blue has better top-deck manipulation in the form of Brainstorm , Ponder , Preordain and the like. So Halimar Depths is another card I'd consider cutting.
I've never been impressed with the card Dream Cache . It rearranges the cards in your hand, but it doesn't provide any card advantage for three mana; if it were one or even two mana, I'd consider it. But as things stand, I recommend cutting it. Portent is another card I'd cut. The delayed draw is really significantly worse than an immediate draw, and I don't think you need all of the possible one-mana cantrips.
Most of your instant spells have only or in their mana cost; therefore, redundant cost-reducers don't do much. Baral, Chief of Compliance and Sapphire Medallion are an excellent cards, but I don't think Primal Amulet Flip or Curious Homunculus Flip are quite good enough. I do see that Capsize gets a BIG bonus from several cost-reducers, but I don't think that's quite a good enough reason to run as many as you do. Arcane Melee would be my first card to cut, simply because it's symmetrical, and you're effectively ramping your opponents. I suggest running ramp like Coldsteel Heart , Sky Diamond and Mind Stone , as these tend to be cheaper than cost-reduces and the first two generate blue mana. These have the added bonus of being rocks to use with the dramatic scepter combo.
I think you're running slightly too much spot removal. Kasmina's Transmutation is good, as are all of your bounce spells, but I think running more than 3 or 4 is too much. So I'd suggest cutting Into the Roil or Blink of an Eye . Typically, trading one-for-ones in EDH isn't great, as you usually have three opponents.
I'd cut Rise from the Tides . I feel like just having a Talrand, Sky Summoner is good enough for this effect, and Rise from the Tides creates the tokens tapped for more mana than it's typically worth. Similarly, you may want to cut Docent of Perfection Flip.
I'd cut Rewind . Four mana is a lot to leave up at the end of your turn, especially since mono-blue doesn't exactly have an abundance of ramp magic. You have plenty of two-mana counters.
Swiftfoot Boots is a card I'd consider cutting. I don't think your general, while powerful, is going to draw the same amount of removal as Arcum Dagsson or Zur the Enchanter , so I think your counter-magic should be enough to protect you.
Generally, in combo decks, you want to focus in on the combo and tutoring it out. Whir of Invention and Reshape are worth considering as methods to tutor out Isochron Scepter ; I see you already have a lot of ways to tutor the Dramatic Reversal . I advise cutting out the cards in your deck that are not focused in on fetching and resolving that combo, as these will speed up your deck and make you a more potent threat earlier in the game.