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Artifact — Equipment
Equipped creature has vigilance, trample, and haste.
Haunted Cloak Discussion
4 days ago
I was thinking of building a gwyn deck as well. Here are some cards I think could be cool to run in this deck. Obviously a lot of options.
- Colossus Hammer - this was built for syr gwyn in mind
- Explorer's Scope - ramp, always important
- Heartseeker - with gwyn, tap to kill target creature
- Surestrike Trident - if you have this and Colossus Hammer it reads, each creature taps to deal 10+ damage to an opponent.
- Ogre's Cleaver - cheap artifact and now free equip
- Haunted Cloak
- Infiltration Lens
- Vorrac Battlehorns - if you want to be mean, put this on syr gwyn
- Loxodon Warhammer
- Chariot of Victory
- Fleetfeather Sandals
- Moonsilver Spear - doesn't fit the theme but flying angels are always fun
- Scythe of the Wretched - this plus Grappling Hook means steal any creature you can kill that isn't tapped
- Strata Scythe - pick the best color of the three. keep in mind this includes lands opponents control
- Authority of the Consuls - slow everyone and gain life
- Blind Obedience - slow everyone down while draining them and gaining life
- Brave the Sands - never worry about swinging each turn and make chump blockers able to block two huge creatures
- Sigarda's Aid - just amazing
- Leonin Shikari - not a knight but now you can switch equipment for free in combat before damage is dealt
- Midnight Reaper
- Syr Alin, the Lion's Claw
- Knight of Grace
- Josu Vess, Lich Knight - late game win condition
- Mirran Crusader
- Vona, Butcher of Magan
- Fiendslayer Paladin
- Silverblade Paladin
Required are Syr Gwyn, Hero of Ashvale and Surestrike Trident . Then you can just go down the line of creatures attaching all of your power increasing equipment and tapping them for tons of damage. If you have Leonin Shikari and Brave the Sands out, then you can all out attack and then do the tapping out on the endstep before your turn. If you don't have Surestrike Trident but instead have Heartseeker then you can just kill a creature for each one you control.
3 weeks ago
Personally I love playing narset, and relish the hate the deck generates. That being said, i play typically only a few rounds a night with her, since I play it til it wins then switch decks to be fair. I'm not a fan of Lightning Greaves with narset, since it turns off protection effects like the swords, auras, and Reconnaissance . I use either Swiftfoot Boots , Haunted Cloak , Sword of Vengeance , or wait a rotation to attack. Timing it right can be tricky due to wipes, but I've been successful too much to worry about interference. +1 from me, a narset player on a budget.
1 month ago
Oh yep yep, I'm quite familiar with British slang so I get it. I.. still think it's both extraordinarily dumb and fun in equal parts, but I get it.
Right so, anywho, I've had a look at the deck. There are three main points I'd like to address.
The first and overarching point is consistency in the deck. There are a number of good effects that are useful, but only on a couple of cards. For example, Brought Back is a good card on its own (and I appreciate that it is the best of the three), but I think if you specifically want this effect then it would probably be worth running Faith's Reward and Second Sunrise too. If not, then it might be worth cutting in favour of some consistency in other areas, or perhaps more interaction. COntinuing along with this, for another Arcane Lighthouse effect, there's Detection Tower . For the Geode Golem effect, there's Command Beacon . For Ghostly Prison , there's Windborn Muse and perhaps Sphere of Safety ; either I think you should be running both there Sphere & Hall of Heliod's Generosity or neither. Considering the main goal of the deck seems to be wiping the board and gaining life, even though these are the most consistent elements of the deck, I think that probably it could still do with a few more of each.
Another thing is just a bit of consistency in your mana rocks to make a ladder. I'm not sure what the common lingo for that is, but the idea is to have multiple mana rocks at 2CMC, and multiple at 4. The idea being you play a 2CMC mana rock on turn 2 (or turn 1 if you have a Mana Crypt or Sol Ring , because those are amazing and defy any other plans and go in every deck if you have them), then follow up with a 4CMC rock on turn 3. Though there are plenty of good mana rocks at 3CMC for their cost, usually it's better to get a 4CMC rock down if you can consistently ramp into it.
Finally, your commander connecting for lethal commander damage seems to be you main win condition, so I think you might need a few more ways of making this happen. There aren't many other voltron thingies in your deck, so because you aren't that worried about having to target your commander with things, Whispersilk Cloak seems pretty much perfect for this. Trailblazer's Boots are also pretty good. Haunted Cloak is in there, so maybe consider Chariot of Victory as well.
Anyway yeah I'll leave it at that and stop rambling now, but can go into it a bit more if you like. I hope this helps, have fun with the deck!
3 months ago
Thank you for your thoughts!
I've been tinkering with this list as I continue to test and play more EDH games. Here are further observations I've made and card options I've considered to replace those that have underperformed.
I've tried Blast Zone for several games now, and it's been difficult to use to say the least. The card tends to be slow because you have to invest mana to increase charge counters, then you have to tap the turn after to destroy whatever you need to. It's been difficult justifying tutoring for Blast Zone with Expedition Map, and I haven't found it productive to use the ability in any of my games. Maybe I'm just unlucky, but thus far I'd almost rather play a Wastes in its place.
I haven't missed Haunted Cloak at all. I probably wouldn't swap Tormod's Crypt , there are tons of games where it's dead but I consider it an important tool against too many other decks for it to be worth removing. Sometimes, it's the only reason why I won at all. It still activates Paradox Engine , helps with Inspiring Statuary , etc.
I find it difficult to justify Karn, the Great Creator considering that this deck doesn't have many ways of protecting the dude. I already assume that whenever I cast Karn Liberated or Ugin, the Ineffable (both of which are incredible btw) they're going to die immediately. Expensive removal spells essentially. Perhaps I'm narrow-minded though, if you have better experiences with him I'd love to hear them!
A few cards I've been trying lately are Unstable Obelisk , Crawlspace , and the Grafdigger's Cage mentioned earlier. I consider those to be the safer cards to test, though I've also considered more splashy effects in their place like Null Brooch , Ring of Three Wishes , and Planar Bridge .
Null Brooch is the craziest of them all I think. The ability interests me as one of the few ways to interact with spells/combos, and the theory is that the drawback of discarding your hand can be negated by the numerous draw options present (including the commander). Whether the tradeoff is worthwhile remains to be seen, I haven't tried it yet but I will. Ring and Bridge are just expensive and I'm dubious as to if they're really necessary. One benefit I can see to Planar Bridge is that it can serve as Ugin, the Spirit Dragon #2, which is a card I tend to look for in most of my games.
Finally, Stony Silence is so crippling lmao, I've lost to it so many times. It makes me wonder if there are tools that can be played to alleviate that, whether it be circumventing the ability through Inspiring Statuary , not involve activating abilities or removing it altogether (two of Ugin, the Ineffable 's abilities)
4 months ago
My two cents:
(1) you need more evasion. You have a metric ton of +1/+1 counters, which is great... but only 2-3 things that give trample and only 1-2 other pieces of evasion. Against the wrong deck, you'll get chump blocked all day. These specific cards are mostly just examples, but consider adding unblockable ( Suspicious Bookcase , Whispersilk Cloak ); deathtouch ( Gorgon Flail , Nightshade Peddler ); trample / multi-purpose ( Loxodon Warhammer , Haunted Cloak ).
(2) you need more protection. Everyone will gun for your doggo, knowing that it's your whole win-con. You have a few things, but not enough IMO. Add more indestructible ( Hammer of Nazahn ) and hexproof ( Mask of Avacyn , Archetype of Endurance ).
I'd suggest culling some of the +1/+1 cards - especially one-shot like Battlegrowth . Also, shroud isn't great with voltron because you can't target/enchant/equip, so I'd lose Lightning Greaves and Aspect of Mongoose .
Looks like a fun deck!
4 months ago
Sorry for the late response. I was caught up with finals at University and haven't had the time to play much magic or keep up with the game much at all.
The deck has gone through quite a few iterations, several of which were due to meta calls and what hate pieces were best at the time. Winter Orb effects were absurdly good in my meta at the time, hence the inclusion of Candelabra of Tawnos but I think that you are right in it being unnecessary for most metas. Helm of Awakening is also a relic of the old build that still had occasional use but again, I think you are right in cutting it. Krark-Clan Ironworks is a difficult one for me to justify cutting as it makes Spine of Ish Sah far worse without combo potential. I guess that dropping both would give a slot for the new Ugin and Karn without even messing with the mana curve so I will likely try that and see if I end up missing the old cards.
As for going down even more Wastes , that is a meta call but I personally feel like 5 is the right amount. Solemn Simulacrum and Burnished Hart get worse with less basics and when I originally ran 4 Wastes , I had more than one situation where I ran out in deck making the aforementioned cards nearly useless. Also, given how commonplace it is to see Assassin's Trophy nowadays, and given that everything this deck does is good at terrifying people into using all of their removal on you, I don't think I would go down any. Honestly, if I can find space for it, I think I would go up one more Wastes as all of the 4 color partner decks make Blood Moon and Back to Basics effects far better and far more common. Blood Moon is almost always just a mild inconvenience but Back to Basics can be game ending if you don't have enough artifact mana out (and was another consideration for why I ran Candelabra of Tawnos ).
Blast Zone is definitely better than Sea Gate Wreckage in most scenarios so I will swap that out. Zhalfirin Void is fine but I'm not sure what I would cut for it. If nothing else, I can add it to the budget options list.
Ugin, the Ineffable will probably find his way into the list (especially because of the synergy he has with Ashnod's Altar when he doesn't have to be used to break stuff) but I am far more interested in Karn, the Great Creator . Even if his minus 2 is basically useless excluding niche situations such as getting back your exiled stuff, his static ability is more than enough to justify his inclusion. (also, his plus kills Mana Crypt s and Mox Diamond s/ Mox Opal )s/etc. I might even experiment with the hard lock he has with Mycosynth Lattice .
As for Tormod's Crypt and Haunted Cloak , I will likely end up cutting Haunted Cloak due to the deck being less focused on the combat win than it was originally when I added it and wrote the primer. I am not sure about just swapping Tormod's Crypt for Grafdigger's Cage but I will think about it. Grafdigger's Cage is better at stopping Protean Hulk shenanigans (and a lot of other similar win-conditions) as well as stopping Yisan, the Wanderer Bard and Captain Sisay decks, both of which are already bad matchups. Tormod's Crypt is better against storm decks and anything that relies on Timetwister loops as well as just guaranteeing that certain problematic cards are removed instead of temporarily shut down. I might just end up running both if I can find space. I'll experiment with what I can and if I get the chance to play some games, I'll add my experiences with the new cards. Expect an update some time in the next week or so to the primer.
And thank you for all of the advice. I fell a bit behind on the primer due to college so if you have any other advice for potential cards or things to cut, I would appreciate it. I really haven't gotten to play much magic since the start of the new year and I am sure that the meta has changed quite a bit.
4 months ago
if your looking for lifelink, I'd argue that Basilisk Collar is better on narset than loxodon warhammer due to deathtouch interacting with her first strike.
just my 2 cents. good concept!
5 months ago
Hi Decrepit_Angel, I just wanted to say that I've really enjoyed the amount of work you've put into making this deck and I've had a ton of fun with it for the past year now. I wanted to type out some observations and ask you some questions if you're still around to read them lol:
1: The three cards I've found to be underperforming the most are Krark-Clan Ironworks , Candelabra of Tawnos , and Helm of Awakening (in order of decreasing effectiveness). I wanted to know about your thoughts and experiences regarding them.
Krark-Clan Ironworks I've basically never had a use for aside from some niche infinite combos, I never found a situation where it would be advantageous to sacrifice some artifacts to cast Kozilek nor was I ever tutoring for it. I wouldn't cut it yet, but I'm not terribly enthusiastic about it.
Candelabra of Tawnos was 99% of the time a dead card, never used it in infinite combos nor did I really ramp with it. There was never a situation where I only had one land untapped while wanting access to multiple utility lands at once. The best use I found for candelabra was in tandem with Winter Orb , but there are so many other ways to sidestep Winter Orb's drawback that it's not terribly important to me. The card has been dead in such a majority of cases that I've cut it in a few iterations and never looked back.
I've never found a use for Helm of Awakening, even a niche use. It's always the first card I chuck away with Azor's Gateway Flip, it's always the first card I throw away with Geier Reach Sanitarium , it's never once helped me when I had it in hand. Not useful while comboing with Paradox Engine , and there's never a good turn to play it otherwise because the drawback is antithetical to the stax options this deck employs. It's only a mana closer to Kozilek, and the drawback loses so many games. It never feels like there's a good turn to play it, and the times I played it just to try it, I promptly lost after.
Aside from those three, I've also wondered about Haunted Cloak and Tormod's Crypt . Haunted Cloak is difficult to fit into the curve, considering the initial 3 mana cost and the 1 to equip with after. Combined with the fact that it doesn't even protect the Kozilek, and I haven't found too many uses for it. Tormod's Crypt also feels situational, though I like its place as a graveyard hate. I wonder if it could be replaced by Grafdigger's Cage or some other card, some with more utility or something that replaces itself.
I've also been trying out lands like Zhalfirin Void and Blast Zone , currently shaving a Wastes and Sea Gate Wreckage (the latter I've literally never used its ability once). 4 wastes still feels very good to play with.
2: Are there any new options you might test out? I've been very impressed with Ugin, the Ineffable , all three abilities are relevant and the card provides much needed removal against the horrors of Stony Silence and the likes. I've also been playing with Staff of Nin lately, the card draw engine has been nice and the ping provides a much faster way to close the game with an infinite combo. Without the ping, I've had to resort to more convoluted means to close the game. Not necessarily an objective power level argument, but it saves a lot of headaches at the table.
I appreciate all the work you've put into the deck, and I hope you'll continue working on it in the future!
Haunted Cloak occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%