cEDH!!
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Posted on Dec. 31, 2018, 4:25 p.m. by AdvancedSteelGuard
I've never cEDH decks and I wanna start to playing in a more competitive environment.
I saw some people using Narset, Enlightened Master and I was wondering how relevant she in cEDH.
Any other suggestions are welcomed and appreciated.
But please leave out any decks that requires Timetwister. It's to expensive for my right now.
Thanks
Oh my god finally!!! I've never seen a person on this site ask about cEDH, so this is great. To answer your question, narset is a cEDH deck, but she is relatively weak in the grand realm of what is possible. In order to find a deck, it would be helpful to see what you like playing in other formats, as it will help us narrow down the options to a manageable size.
If you have a discord, here's the link to the cEDH server, which is a fantastic place to get started and a great community in general: https://discord.gg/4EE6C7
December 31, 2018 8:22 p.m. Edited.
AdvancedSteelGuard says... #4
Wurmlover it's great to finally see someone paying attention to the topic before anwsering the question.
As for my usual play styles in other format here's the "list" I was able to come up with.
Sealed (pre-release/draft) : I always try to find the early rush in my packs. Jumping to my opponents throat before they can even make a move.
Standard : I use to play a dino deck with Ghalta, Primal Hungers and other big ass dino and be super aggressive.
Edh (sort of casual) : I'm the invisible player, the one that if you forgets and don't pay attention to me I'll slit your throat before you can even blink (yeah i know nasty type of decks). After a few turn in the shadows I'll either mill them to death or pull a 12/12 infect with Blade of Selves out of nowhere and otk everyone(keeping a few counter spells in case). Only one of my decks is a beat face equipment deck with Akiri, Line-Slinger // Bruse Tarl, Boorish Herder at the helm.
Hope that helps
December 31, 2018 10:33 p.m.
DrukenReaps says... #5
Wurmlover that tier list I shared has about a dozen or so people that are constantly talking about cEDH.
AdvancedSteelGuard I often see these questions go unanswered and I have no experience with cEDH so I wanted to point you to people that actually play it. If you look on that list you can see they consider Narset Tier 2. So not the best but still playable. If you talk with them you can probably get a lot of good information. They have lists for all of the top tier and those would be the most competitive at most tables. Of course they are going off their own experiences and the list isn't as updated as it should be.
I don't know that you can really be invisible at a cEDH table. Everyone is going to actually be good at threat assessment but you can certainly do the big game winning plays.
General Tazri, Najeela, the Blade-Blossom, and The Gitrog Monster will combo into wins really fast. There are other options too, like Narset.
The other strategy with cEDH is stax and you mention being cutthraot but you also mention being invisible and big plays. Stax is a slow boring death for everyone so I don't know if that matches up with you.
December 31, 2018 11:30 p.m.
I will heavily recommend against playing full on stax in cEDH, because the problem with stax is that it makes the game really long, but also really hard for the stax deck itself to win, and this is coming from a brago stax player. It rarely works ideally and is often less powerful than other options.
I think that both najeela and gitrog win out of nowhere a lot of the time, and you can never go wrong with a thrasios/tymna deck, whether it's flash hulk or storm.
I'll tell you right now, boros is by far the worst color combination in edh. Leave all hopes of playing it at the door. Generally you want to be in blue unless a commander is a combo piece and the combo is efficient enough (see gitrog for an example).
It will help deck choice as well if you know your meta going into the games. Do you know those?
Here's a database made by the cEDH discord of most of the meta decks, with primers and brief descriptions (I would recommend strategy 1 decks because they are the fastest and most aggressive): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vQqiznwO4FqlwXXFdWZfWj_Qflxqy8TfPF8RFwl6mtJVYaUuAvqmHNSK1Az2EluIDO8SYnhKiQkZVt_/pubhtml#
January 1, 2019 12:19 a.m.
Now a lot of the CEDH community are known for allowing good looking, but still obviously proxies of expensive cards to be played, outside of the rare dci sanctioned events. They want to play the game of nukes vs nukes, not nukes vs a knife fight.
Now your best hope of being invisible is to choose a commander that actually sits either in the low tier 2 or even tier 3, maybe even build a deck meant for politics and to keep answering threats and then trying for a combo when the opening to do so arises. Tasigur in progress is my current (admittedly budget) cedh deck I have sleeved up and it does decently well, not to mention many of the best pieces for it got recently reprinted in UMA and the Jace spellbook or was part of the last standard rotation, in fact now might be one of the cheaper times to try for a cedh deck (even the really high end cards are seeing lower prices than usual).
Now before you settle on a commander I'd suggest looking up videos and articles and blogs about it, cedh is less about wanting to discover and do cool things, but more expertly executing the cool things, you getting the W, and then shuffle up another game.
January 1, 2019 3:15 a.m.
AdvancedSteelGuard says... #8
What are the win cons for
Thrasios, Triton Hero // Tymna the Weaver (flash hulk? storm?).
January 1, 2019 11:53 a.m.
AdvancedSteelGuard says... #9
I also heard that Teferi, Temporal Archmage was a big thing.
January 1, 2019 12:12 p.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #10
Thrasios / Tymna has several variants.
Breakfast Hulk is a self-mill combo that can go off with Flash + Protean Hulk, Hermit Druid, or Cephalid Illusionist + Nomads en-Kor. Once it has milled itself itself there are a few different possibilities to include, but all usually involve Dread Return I think.
Paradox Scepter either slams Paradox Engine with a bunch of mana dorks in play and draws a ton of cards with Thrasios, or it plays Isochron Scepter + Dramatic Reversal to make infinite mana and draw the deck with Thrasios. It oftentimes features Vizier of Remedies + Devoted Druid as another way to get infinite mana (and draw the deck with Thrasios).
I play Aluren combo, but it's not quite cEDH. I'm on a budget and Aluren is not as good as other options.
Najeela has a couple ways it can make infinite combat phases. Druids' Repository, Sword of Feast and Famine, Nature's Will all allow the player to make 5 mana each combat.
Teferi chain veil is a deck. It incorporates stax pieces to slow the game down before comboing. I don't know enough about cEDH to say anything more.
I don't really know anything about Gitrog.
January 1, 2019 1:43 p.m. Edited.
CrimsonKing says... #11
She is pretty good but not top tier due to her colors.
January 1, 2019 2:52 p.m. Edited.
Gitrog is a hell of a deck, it's combos are also intricate as fuck. The main idea is to assemble Dakmor Salvage, gitrog and a discard outlet. You discard the dakmor, gitrog triggers, but instead of drawing, you dredge dakmor. You can repeat this as much as you want, and you stack draw triggers for each land that is dredged off of dakmor, and you keep from milling with Kozilek, Butcher of Truth. you keep this going until you have draw triggers stacked up so you can let them all resolve and draw your deck.
Winning from there is the fun part. you can then make infinite mana by looping kozilek, a land and Lotus Petal. Basically you discard in such a way so your library consists of kozilek and a land (called the KoziLand state) you can use this in combination with dredging dakmor to put any number of draw triggers on the stack. In this case, you want to dredge dakmor twice to put 2 triggers on the stack, then once more, cracking petal before the last shuffle trigger resolves, then draw your three cards, and repeat. After this you can use the same technique to exile your opponents' libraries with Praetor's Grasp or deal infinite damage with Rath's Edge and Crop Rotation.
Here's the primer which explains the main combo as well as all the other cool stuff better than I can: Gitrog Dredge Combo [Primer]
The best version of thras/tymna flash hulk right now is shuffle hulk which fetches blood artist, nomads, illusionist, and blood artist and then wins by milling the deck and infinitely looping kozilek and Narcomoeba. It's just generally more resilient than breakfast or other variants.
Here's a list: Shuffle Hulk
Chain Veil Teferi is also a decent deck, the main goal is to get 6 mana in up to 3 rocks to activate The Chain Veil and then activate teferi untapping veil, and three rocks totaling 4+ mana. you can repeat this until teferi dies and then hopefully you have enough mana to recast him. at that point the ruling on chain veil is that you get a number of free activations when you recast teferi, so you should have 6 free activations of him when you recast, making the rest of the combo easy. then you end up with infinite activations and infinite mana, draw your deck, and then play Blue Sun's Zenith to draw everyone out.
Here's a list: Chain Veil Teferi
Brainerd covered najeela pretty well, it's a tempo deck that uses key removal and tutors to stop other combos while gaining a missive advantage with najeela and something like Edric, Spymaster of Trest. it can then combo with any of the things that he mentioned.
Here's a list: Warrior Queen [Najeela Midrange/Tempo cEDH Primer]
Like you would in any format, do your homework on your deck, but keep in mind everyone at a cEDH table is going to be really paying attention to everything you do, so invisibility is not an option. There's also a certain mindet that comes with cEDH that isn't the case in EDH: there's always an objectively best play, politics have no push or pull. If you play a spell the players don't like, it will be countered, if you are objectively the biggest threat, people will try to stop you, etc. It's all about the deck and pilot skill. It'll take a little getting used to but it's fun once you get into the swing of it.
Apologies for the wall of text lol, hope it helped!
January 2, 2019 5 p.m.
AdvancedSteelGuard says... #13
If I play mono-blue Teferi, Temporal Archmage Is any cards in blue like Leyline of the Void?
January 3, 2019 10:57 a.m.
ToolmasterOfBrainerd says... #14
Leyline of Anticipation, if you're asking about other leylines. If you're wondering about grave hate, options include Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt, Grafdigger's Cage, and other artifacts.
January 3, 2019 2:20 p.m.
It really depends what stuff you're up against. Some hate works better than others.
P.S: could you tag me if/when you have questions so I get a notification? I might be able to help better that way.
DrukenReaps says... #2
This seems to be one of the better cEDH resources Commanders by Power Level [EDH Tier List]. Talk with those guys and look over the options in there. It will get you started.
December 31, 2018 4:43 p.m.