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Whir of Invention
Improvise (Your artifacts can help cast this spell. Each artifact you tap after you're done activating mana abilities pays for .)
Search your library for an artifact card with converted mana cost X or less, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library.
Whir of Invention Discussion
23 hours ago
I've always liked Oloro, Ageless Ascetic -- he was my first general.
I've always thought Path to Exile is way overrated in EDH. Swords to Plowshares , which I see you've included, is better mainly because it doesn't ramp your opponents. In a format filled with people routinely doing mana-intensive things, I think you'll be better off running something like Ashes to Ashes .
Ponder , Preordain and Brainstorm are three REALLY good cards. Like Xerox decks in Vintage, in EDH it is advantageous to replace a part of your mana-base with cantrips. This allows you to dig for lands if you need them, and spells if you don't. Running these three, along with similar cheap card-draw, will allow you to run around thirty-two or so lands. Brainstorm goes from good to great if you have a high number of shuffle effects, from things like the Polluted Delta you're running. Similarly, Sleight of Hand or Serum Visions are good; they should be run only if you're already running the first three and still need more cantrips.
Similar to cantrips, card-positive draw-spells (i.e. Spells that draw more than one card) are also real good. Painful Truths , Fact or Fiction , Thirst for Knowledge , Night's Whisper , Echo of Eons and Windfall are great includes. Windfall and Echo of Eons are especially powerful if you also run Narset, Parter of Veils .
I highly suggest replacing your three-mana rocks with two-mana rocks. Chromatic Lantern , Pristine Talisman and Commander's Sphere are not as good as Talisman of Progress , Talisman of Hierarchy and Talisman of Dominance . Fellwar Stone , Mind Stone and Thought Vessel are also good two-mana rocks; Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good, though wildly expensive.
Ashiok, Dream Render is excellent if your format has a lot of fetch lands; it also hoses graveyard decks.
Ancient Tomb is a better Temple of the False God -- if you have access to it, you should run it. 'Enter the battlefield tapped' can be pretty not-good; while cards like Dimir Aqueduct are card advantage in that they produce more mana from the same number of lands, they aren't as good as a standard dual (at least in my opinion). Silent Clearing , City of Brass and Mana Confluence are all better than the Karoo lands. Caves of Koilos , Adarkar Wastes , Underground River , Reflecting Pool , Forbidden Orchard and Exotic Orchard are similar.
I don't think Felidar Sovereign is very good. Typically you cast it during your main phase, and it has to last an entire turn cycle with your life total above 40 (or 38, in Oloro, if you stack your triggers right) before it will win the game. During this time, all of your opponents will be doing all they can to remove it. I think it may be easier to win with a Laboratory Maniac / Jace, Wielder of Mysteries + Demonic Consultation / Doomsday combo. Running Silence can help protect this combo.
Force of Will and Mana Drain are the gold standard in counters, though they'll cost you about the same as a used kidney. Dovin's Veto , Spell Snare , Dispel and Swan Song are all good considerations; if your meta is filled with fat creatures, Exclude can be good, too.
I think you can run either Ghostly Prison or Propaganda -- I don't think both are necessary, especially since you're running Enlightened Tutor already. I advise running Ghostly Prison over Propaganda , as it doesn't die to Pyroblast / Red Elemental Blast .
Since it seems Aetherflux Reservoir is your main win condition, you may want to consider running Fabricate and Whir of Invention as tutors. If you want to go real deep, Transmute Artifact is a good card (though, also, REALLY expensive).
Alright -- I gotta go to bed. Good luck with the deck building!
enpc on Combo Tutors
5 days ago
Thank you to everybody who commented, sorry about the delayed response. Good ol' fashioned life getting in the way (not to mention I wasn't getting notifications for a while).
DrukenReaps: The extra tech with Tez is nice. Ultimately, the reason I like him so much is that once he's down, it's an ability which fetches the artifact and puts it straight into play. He can also get a mana rock (read Mana Vault ) turn N and Isochron Scepter turn N+1. The untap is the icing on the cake, but not why I would play him. The double blue is a bit of a shame, but what can you do. I think he's a relatively strong contender for the slot.
Joe_Ken_: I think I'm goingto swap Impulse for Spellseeker - she just seems better (albeit at sorcery speed). It's a shame she doesn't have flash, but I get why she doesn't have flash. And I think I agree with you on Whir of Invention , while the deck can hit triple blue, you effectively need quad blue held up to resolve it.
jaymc1130: I both agree and don't agree with you. First off, I'll touch on Mystic Forge - I don't mind the combo but I don't think it has a place in the deck. The thing about PE was that sure, there was a combo with Sensei's Divining Top , but more than that it tied the rest of the combo packages together in the deck and acted as a nice piece of redundancy against losing access to reversal/scepter. And I don't think that Mystic Forge does the same thing.
On the topic of 3+ CMC tutors - while I agree to an extent, I don't want to discount them either. Grim Tutor is probably the worst tutor in that paying 3 mana is basically a bad Demonic Tutor (which, granted, is one of the best tutors in the entire game), but even still there is zero restrictions on what it can get.
The rest of the tutors however provide some kind of additional value, most of them in the form that they deploy the tutored card into play, effectively uncounterably (yes, I know that Stifle is still a card). So while you are paying ultimately 1 additional mana, you get to test the waters a little bit. And in that light, the difference is a single mana. Dark Petition is a bit different, but again the ability to get anything is super strong. Not to mention that when getting then playing an Isochron Scepter , there is no cost difference between it and D Tutor. But on the flipside, I'm not going to be cramming Diabolic Tutor into my deck anytime soon just to increase the tutor density.
As for the whole fast v slow matchups, again, I agree and I don't. sure, expensive spells are generally bad against lightning fast decks, but that also comes down to what else is going on in my hand. Generally the faster a deck, the more glass cannon-y it is, so in those games I'm focused more on a counterspell or two anyway - I'm playing the slower game. But that doesn't always mean I'm going to generate value with Tymna. A common table for me is Kess storm, OG Sisay combo/beats hybrid and Tasigur control (I appreicate this may not be toppest of top shelf cEDH but they're still not casual, pub-stomp games). Kess will be about on par with me speed wise, but all of the other decks outcreature me. At this point, I don't mind paying a bit more for a value tutor - especially since most tutors I'm interested in do more than just putting a card in my hand.
On the topic of your Tymna/Thrasios deck, I had a look and it looks really cool. It's interesting to see the amount of proactive hate the deck runs, which is not as common to see these days compared to just packing a deck full of counterspells (which is I guess what you're going for). That being said, in my playgroup and for my playstyle, it's not the deck for me. If all I was versing was fast combo it would be much more appealing. But as it stands, I'm happier with the direction the deck is currently taking and given my group, I think the list has more potency for what I'm up against (not to mention it seems like it would be a lot more stressful to pilot :P).
The transmute cards are interesting. I think that Muddle the Mixture is by far the strongest of the three (which is why I re-included it). Shred Memory is nice GY hate, but feels like it's just a tutor and at that poing costs the same as Grim Tutor . And Dimir Infiltrator is cool (especially with Tymna) but you want ot cast it as soon as possible for CA, which tehn means it's no longer a tutor.
I hand thought about Tribute Mage but he just feels too narrow.
I don't like Reshape here - I'm basically eating mana rocks to get the thing which combos with mana rocks.
Long-Term Plans is a cool card, but yeah, it feels a bit weak here. Good in Melek though.
StopShot: I had thought about Diabolic Intent before and the benefit that worst case scenario you just eat your commander. I'm still on the fence about it though. Again, I don't want to eat a thing to fetch a thing which combos with what I just ate.
I completely forgot about Wargate though and I have to say I'm very intrigued by it. The fact that it can fetch a part of any combo (except Dramatic Reversal and even then it can get Spellseeker assuming I make space for her) is very nice and the fact you don't sacrifice the end goal card if gate is couterspelled is really cool. The mana coast is a bit tricky but I think it could be a strong contender.
Scroll Rack is nice, but potentially a bit slow and can feel really empty if you're stuck topdecking for whatever reason. It's good wheel insurance though. I'll have a bit more of a think about this one.
I had thought about Tainted Pact , however the mana base will cause issues since I run 4 Island s for High Tide (which is surprisingly good). If I cut this down to 2 I could do the whole land/snowland trick, but I'm not sold on it.
Again, thank you all for your comments - there is a lot to digest here but I very much appreciate people's thoughts on it. Also, I think I really overthink card swaps :P
1 week ago
Spellseeker is good since tutors on a body do come in handy sine you can use them to block or flicker them.
I wouldn’t add in Whir of Invention since the triple blue may be a little troublesome when you would prefer to leave some of that mana up.
enpc on Combo Tutors
1 week ago
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On the artifact side, I'm considering swapping Dark Petition out for either Tezzeret the Seeker , Whir of Invention or Grim Tutor (budget isn't an issue). At the end of the day, they each cost 5 mana to get Scepter into play, however each has their own benefits and drawbacks.
Also, any other feedback would also be appreciated.
1 week ago
Upon seeing the new M20 Scheming Symmetry I thought it had some potential for serious applications.
My first thought was slotting it in Lantern Control, being able to break parity on it with Codex Shredder and changing the Pyxis slot to Shriekhorn or something similar. It would work in tandem with or replace Whir of Invention , and breaking parity on it with a mill card means its Vampiric Tutor in modern at sorcery speed without life loss. Seems like a great application, but does the deck benefit from it over Whir of Invention or something else?
I also thought about a more control oriented build that tries to break parity on it with shuffle and mill effects outside a lantern kind of shell. Winds of Rebuke offers board control. Any kind of shuffle effect on an opponent also breaks parity on the card, so you could run cards like Psychic Surgery or Psychogenic Probe
I think there are a lot more ways to break parity on this card than people realize, and it will be Vampiric Tutor in modern. I'm also guessing buying a handful now to sell later could be profitable $$$
2 weeks ago
I would play Fabricate and Whir of Invention in this deck. The added consistency seems worth it. I haven't seen this deck play out so I don't know if the slight speed bump is worth the consistency, but that could be a cool thing to try out. I would also recommend Anointed Procession because that seems really good to double down on spirit generation.
Good luck with your list!
2 weeks ago
Hi. There is a few cards you could replace. Cards that are just better then what you currently have. But in general it loogs legit. It how you want it to look like at least.
Replace these Dark Petition is bit to much. I recommend Imperial Seal . Unless you use dark petition to gain infinit mana. Or you replace it with Whir of Invention thats in your maybeboard. Instant speed is really good!
2 weeks ago
Myr Moonvessel feels bad because you’re never going to get the mana when you want it. It’s effectively just going to swing for 1 each turn... which feels pretty average for a 2-drop
I personally feel like Door of Destinies doesn’t give you much value. You don’t have heaps of golem spells, and it’s not like they need much buffing anyway. It feels slow.
I also feel you’re better off just completing Tron than fiddling about with Quicksilver Amulet .
My thoughts are that maybe it’s worthwhile splashing a single colour (either Green, Blue or White) to get some better value and buffs for your Golems (aside from your Tron lands, the rest could easily just be a basic land instead to make the rest of your deck better)
Splashing Blue offers Whir of Invention to tutor for key pieces, letting you run lots of single-copies of cards and fetching up the one you want. It’d also let your Golems take to the skies with Wing Splicer .
Whir of Invention occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.08%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.05%
UR (Izzet): 0.52%