Noetic Scales


Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Urza's Saga (USG) Rare

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Noetic Scales


At the beginning of each player's upkeep, return to its owner's hand each creature that player controls with power greater than the number of cards in his or her hand.

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Noetic Scales Discussion

Polybius on Into the Underdark | Nath of the Gilt-Leaf EDH

22 hours ago

PartyJ thanks for the compliments!

I need to finish this primer, which should help clear up some of my card choices, in the mean time feel free to bounce any ideas you have off me.

I really wanted to keep a tribal Elves aspect to this deck, I get it's not the optimal way to run a Nath stax list but it's a flavor win and keeps my inner aggro player happy.

I also went with some non-traditional stax pieces like Noetic Scales and Damping Sphere, over the ones such as Cursed Totem or Tangle Wire.

Cursed Totem I found was shutting off my mana dorks and hurting me more than it was hurting my opponents. My meta is also extremely creature heavy so Noetic Scales pulls a lot of weight.

I'm at an odd inbetween area with this list, I want to find a hybrid between stax, combo and aggro but I'm not sure if that's possible.

Zack_of_Steel on [PRIMER]Don't Touch China!!!

2 weeks ago

I've had a bigass list of cards in Cockatrice for a while that I'm dwindling to a deck. Yours has given me a lot of inspiration!

Can I ask why no Reliquary Tower, Thought Vessel, et cetera?

Do you find having only a few counters is worth it?

Have you thought about Banding at all? Even if just throwing in Fortified Area. Helm of Chatzuk, Baton of Morale, Cooperation are other considerations.

Few other cards I've thought about including: High Ground, Primal Rage, Bow of Nylea, Steely Resolve, Spidersilk Armor (iffy on this one, but just in case?), Noetic Scales, Sterling Grove, As Foretold, Aura Shards, Urza's Incubator, Herald's Horn, Skeleton Key.

Diplomatic Immunity over Glint?

You have a very low avg. CMC, but I find it hard not to include Chromatic Lantern in any multicolored deck. Do you do well without much mana rock ramp?

K4m4r0 on Nobody has the intention of building a Wall

3 months ago

Vlasiax Very nice Deck and also nice overview of all defenders. Wall of Shards is a nice beater but I don't like his upkeep since I don't want to have my opponents to gain life. I know it wouldn't be that much in a multiplayer game or have a big impact but it could be the one life you are missing to remove from them later (besides it's not just one life cummulative upkeep goes up every turn).

Fun Fact, I've never drawn into Wall of Kelp. I also think it's a very bad card and could be replaced by a far better defenedr, but people here wanted me to try it and so I put it back in the deck. I have absolutely no idea how it performs. Heroic Intervention will probably be added in the future.

thcue thank you for your suggestion, but I probably go with Noetic Scales, since I mostly have around 3-4 cards in my hand.

K4m4r0 on Nobody has the intention of building a Wall

4 months ago

Mitrian Very nice list! I'm happy that you're successful with it! I made the same experience like you did, it performs very well even against high Tier decks and is a noteable competitor. Sure, your deck offer some more wincons than just beating down the opponents, but I haven't noticed any downsides yet. As you said, it all depends on the own meta :)

I'm glad to hear that about Trostani, I'm probably thinking too much and I almost run the same lands as you. Shouldn't be that hard to cast.

Mentor of the Meek is a cool card, but I'm not too sold on it yet since there is a lot of creature hate in our group and less artifact hate. On the other hand our M19 draft is still due, maybe we'll pull him.

Meekstone is good and I'll probably add it in the future, but at this time there are a lot of token decks with 1/1 and 2/2 tokens in our group making it useless. I put my eyes on Noetic Scales but haven't gotten a copy yet.

As you said Solidarity has a real high cmc but I have to admit I wasn't aware of this card. I will atleast buy one, maybe I'll add it some day.

Thanks again for your comments and I'm glad I have given you some ideas. I wish you all the best with your own Arcades list :)

ClockworkSwordfish on Nobody has the intention of building a Wall

5 months ago

Looking good! If you wanted some more (mostly) one-sided board wipes, you could consider Austere Command, Dusk and Slaughter the Strong. You can even deal with larger creatures on a somewhat permanent basis via Meekstone, Noetic Scales or Marble Titan. Ensnaring Bridge is probably the best at what it does, but it's hella expensive.

You could also get some more card draw from Abzan Beastmaster and/or Ulvenwald Observer, in case Arcades wasn't always enough. Reveillark would also be interesting since it can bring back basically any two creatures in the deck!

And by the way, are you sure Shield Wall is good enough? You might get more use, certainly in the long run, with Spidersilk Armor or even Ensouled Scimitar, which can increase a creature's damage capability by 5 or functionally be a 5/5 flyer itself!

elgosu1337 on All it Takes is Strategy (EDH Tribal Series #17)

5 months ago

You're right, Aluren is a card that needs the deck to be built around it, but it's really powerful if you do, since you can cast walls for free and draw more walls to cast for free with Arcades.

My suggested cut would probably be Venser's Journal for Noetic Scales, since you'd be casting most of the creatures you draw rather than keeping them in hand, and with your walls and vigilance you shouldn't need the lifegain.

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