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|Magic 2015 (M15)||Uncommon|
|2011 Core Set (M11)||Uncommon|
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Back to Nature
Destroy all enchantments.
Back to Nature Discussion
1 month ago
Brushland is much better than Canopy Vista (they're Budget if you get them used) because your turn 2-3 attacks are crucial to put your opponent on a short (2/3 turn) clock. Also, I would add 2 more Hyena Umbra and 2 Unflinching Courage in place of Gryff's Boon . Gryff's Boon should be used against a heavy control or a deck you might suspect uses Back to Nature ; keep it in the sideboard.
For a budget deck, you should run 4 Isolate in your sideboard, and should have at least 4 sources of creature removal in your main-board like the $10 Path to Exile but a very cheap replacement that usually works when you need it would be Chained to the Rocks , about a Dollar for a playset; Blazing Hope is another good budget option. Otherwise, I think Spirit mantle should be removed, It's too slow. Good Luck!
1 month ago
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My first suggestion is to adjust your mana base to address the cost-differences between your colors. According to the graph, over half your colored costs are green costs. Adding more Forest s and fewer plains/ Swamp s may be helpful.
My second suggestion concerns dorks. One-mana creatures that provide you with mana are gas from turn one; adding Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Elvish Mystic and Deathrite Shaman could all accelerate your deck significantly. If you choose to run a dork like Arbor Elf , Utopia Sprawl and Wild Growth also become significantly better. Putting in the creature acceleration should allow you to cut 2-3 lands from your final list, as well as making a card like Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip better.
Regarding card draw: The majority of EDH games are decided by card advantage. Mentor of the Meek is worth considering, especially if you choose to run the mana dorks I mentioned above. Slate of Ancestry is pretty good if you poop out a load of creatures with cards like Mycoloth . Harmonize , Grim Flowering , Ambition's Cost and Painful Truths are all good one-shot methods to recoup card advantage; Twilight Prophet is good in addition to your Phyrexian Arena .
Being Abzan, you have access to a bunch of cards most opponents will hate. Gaddock Teeg is a great way to hold off opposing board wipes, as it turns off Damnation , Wrath of God , Supreme Verdict , Blasphemous Act and the like. Aven Mindcensor hoses some decks, and makes your Path to Exile better. Thalia, Guardian of Thraben , Glowrider and Vryn Wingmare are all good if your deck can produce excess mana. Alms Collector is good for hating on mass-draw combo decks.
I see a lot of one-for-ones in your list. In EDH, you're facing 2-4 opponents, and therefore that many more cards. Things like Mortify and Putrefy are good, but they are not great; I suggest running more two-for-ones. Ashes to Ashes , Grasp of Fate , Back to Nature , Liliana's Triumph (if you're not facing dork-heavy decks), and Syphon Mind are all good options. Swords to Plowshares is one of the few one-for-ones I think is really good in EDH, if only because it's so flippin' efficient.
I don't think Massacre Girl is a good card; something like Wrath of God , Toxic Deluge or Damnation may be better. Merciless Eviction is good, but being six mana may be relatively detrimental. If you want, Cataclysm is a... good card. Though you may, if you have a significant conscience, consider not running it.
Demonic Tutor , which you run, is the gold standard, but cards like Eladamri's Call are good too. Green Sun's Zenith may be helpful, especially if you run Dryad Arbor to fetch turn one, and GSZ can grab your Reclamation Sage if you need it. Similarly, you may want to consider Finale of Devastation and Chord of Calling are options, and Bane of Progress is another good target.
Gavony Township is probably good in your list; choosing to run something like Knight of the Reliquary gives you access to it fast. Crop Rotation is another option. You could probably run 1 or 2 more utility lands like Blast Zone , Maze of Ith or Bojuka Bog to compliment this package.
Recovering from a boardwipe is hard in creature-decks. I suggest Second Sunrise or Faith's Reward , as these both negate the effect of Wrath effects on you while also being able to bounce back creatures you sacrificed earlier.
Walking Ballista may be helpful, if only because it can shoot blockers out of the way. Running it in conjunction with Basilisk Collar becomes pretty busted. Woodfall Primus , Puppeteer Clique , and Kitchen Finks are all good options, especially since -1/-1 counters cancel out with a +1/+1 counter. Running these with Ashnod's Altar or an added Viscera Seer makes their effects recur indefinitely. Pairing Woodfall Primus or Kitchen Finks with Cathars' Crusade can simply end the game.
Proliferate effects will be good here. I expect Evolution Sage would be busted in this deck, and Contagion Clasp / Contagion Engine are good, too. Sword of Truth and Justice (from Modern Horizons) is also worth running, though it may be hard-ish to get ahold of for the first few months after the set drops.
All of the cards in your 'Maybeboard' are worth running. If/when you get ahold of them, you should run them.
All the best, and good luck.
1 month ago
The easiest way to speed up a deck is by removing ETB tapped lands. I highly suggest running Command Tower , as well as City of Brass and Mana Confluence . If you have access to it, Cavern of Souls is a good option for any tribal deck, but Unclaimed Territory is another good option. Forbidden Orchard , Exotic Orchard and Reflecting Pool are more interesting lands to consider.
Green dorks and two-mana rocks are also very good. I see you're running Birds of Paradise , but Elves of Deep Shadow , Llanowar Elves , Rampant Growth , Fyndhorn Elves , Orcish Lumberjack and (if you can) Noble Hierarch are also great additions. If you want to invest relatively heavily into your dork-base, Bloom Tender is REALLY good in chromatic decks. If you find yourself facing a lot of blue decks, Carpet of Flowers is a good idea, too; Joiner Adept acts as a second Chromatic Lantern .
Fellwar Stone is good. The talisman cycles ( Talisman of Dominance , Talisman of Indulgence , Talisman of Impulse , Talisman of Unity , Talisman of Progress and the new five from Modern Horizons) are all good; I suggest that most, if not all, of your mana rocks should be two or less mana. Using a land like Ancient Tomb also helps cast these turn one. Signets like Dimir Signet or Boros Signet are good too, although I think most of the time the talismans will be better. Gilded Lotus is a good exception to my CMC rule in a deck with as many fat creatures as yours.
I don't think Nissa's Renewal is very good; generally, ramp is good in the early game, but not so good by the time you reach six mana. Nature's Lore , Rampant Growth , Farseek , Cultivate and/or Kodama's Reach are all powerful ramp spells you can fire off early. I think the first three are better, if only because they can fetch non-basics like Breeding Pool or Godless Shrine . I'm not as much a fan of the other two, but experience will show if they're worth including. Finally, I think Skyshroud Claim is better than Explosive Vegetation .
If at all possible, tutors are good. Demonic Tutor is the gold standard here, but Diabolic Tutor is a good, more affordable alternative. Vampiric Tutor , Worldly Tutor , Sylvan Tutor , Dark Petition and Gamble are all good cards as well, though their affordability varies tremendously.
Red comes with good counter counter magic options. Price of Glory is a good card if you want to discourage opponents playing on your turn, and Pyroblast is a good way to stop Counterspell and friends. Cards like Pyrostatic Pillar can punish decks with lower curves.
Card draw is at a premium in EDH. Staff of Nin is easy on the colored mana and gives you an extra draw each turn, and Phyrexian Arena is another good option. Harmonize , Concentrate and Painful Truths are good draw-threes.
Because your deck is running a LOT of fatties (and the best fatties, at that, 'cause they're dragons), you may find cards like Lurking Predators is be pretty good; Descendants' Path is a similar card. Depending on how fatty-heavy your meta is, Eureka effects like Show and Tell may be good. Sneak Attack is good if you want to use one-time face-smacks like Nicol Bolas or your already included Oros, the Avenger .
If you DON'T want to run dorks, and opt for artifact ramp instead, depending on your meta you may have a good time with cards like Porphyry Nodes or Night of Souls' Betrayal . Effects like Pyroclasm and Volcanic Fallout can also wipe out opponent's boards if they choose to go wide.
I think EDH decks tend to need a lot of mass removal. By Force is a favorite of mine, and Toxic Deluge , Wrath of God , Ritual of Soot and Supreme Verdict are all great if you have access to them. Back to Nature is good if you choose to cut down on the number of enchantments you're running, but Nature's Claim or Krosan Grip are also pretty good options.
If your curve is really high, things like Timesifter can be pretty brutal.
I'm not super sure Niv-Mizzet Reborn is very good. I don't know if you'll be getting very much card advantage, because you have a lot of cards that are more or less than exactly two colors. I think a card-draw spell like the ones I mentioned above would be better, like Treasure Cruise or Dig Through Time .
Good luck with deck building my man!
1 month ago
So I've never built a werewolf tribal deck, but I have seen a hell of a lot of red-and-green decks. So I'll put out what I suggest.
First, you do NOT need rocks -- you need dorks. Being a green deck means you have access to Llanowar Elves , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Orcish Lumberjack , Birds of Paradise , Priest of Titania , Bloom Tender and Boreal Druid , all in your colors. Green Sun's Zenith for zero can fetch Dryad Arbor as a turn 1 ramp spell as well, and later GSZ can fetch whichever creature is best for you (like Reclamation Sage , if you choose to run it). Having all the mana helps cast fat, important spells.
Another bonus of the dorks is that they make things like Slate of Ancestry (which you should run) and Shamanic Revelation (which you do run) much better. Also, if you run something like Overrun or Craterhoof Behemoth , they become efficient beat sticks. If you choose to run Craterhoof, I also suggest Natural Order to get it out for cheap. Overwhelming Stampede is another good choice for a finisher.
Depending on your meta, you may want to alter your land-base to be able to run Ruination or Blood Moon . Flashfires and Choke are also on the table, depending on the colors your friends like to play. Carpet of Flowers is a good way to take advantage of a blue player. Depending on the meta, Stranglehold from your Maybeboard is also a good idea.
With regard to removal of artifacts or enchantments, Nature's Claim is a good choice, as is Krosan Grip . Ancient Grudge , By Force , and Shattering Spree are good artifact hate; Back to Nature and Tranquil Grove are good enchantment hate.
In EDH, many-for-one spells are awesome. Decimate should come in off the Maybeboard, as it's good for blowouts. I also agree with NV_1980 in that Hull Breach is a good card. Eternal Witness is wonderful recursion.
You may want to run Nature's Lore and Farseek . These are very good for finding lands, and the Lore doesn't make the land enter tapped. Further, neither specifies the 'basic' supertype, so they can get your Stomping Ground . If you put Cinder Glade in, you can fetch that too. The Lore and Farseek are better than Kodama's Reach and Cultivate , at least in my experience.
Lands can be expensive, but the best two for you are Cavern of Souls and Ancient Tomb . Typically, you don't want your lands to ETB tapped, as that puts you behind a turn. Grove of the Burnwillows and Taiga are also pretty good. Note that, if you choose to run Grove and your meta runs a lot of x/2s or x/1s, you might want to run Punishing Fire as well.
Running Mana Vault and slamming it turn 1 means you can cast your general turn 2. So... it's a good idea, I think.
1 month ago
Legeneds Thanks! I will reiterate that All Is Dust , Rampage of the Clans , and Back to Nature have been game-changers in my meta. I think if you at least consider one wipe it should be All Is Dust . Idk how often you run into artifacts and enchantments being used but I run into a lot so I’m ok with taking up slots with some redundancy in getting rid of arts and enchants.
I’ve won some games with Nemesis Mask since as you have mentioned the deck can be very glass cannon-esque. It’s fast and kinda empties the hand quick as you may already know. So I enjoy running the mask in the event im plenty wide but still not poweful enough to take opponent’s creatures out, which reminds me Nemesis Mask + Bow of Nylea is pretty dirty. Given that your opponent’s creatures must block the equipped creature who also has deathtouch... so essentially you can wipe the board that way.
I think you may have saw already but I added in Quest for Renewal and I can’t wait to try it out. Also... I just added in Nissa, Who Shakes the World because double mana and land shenanigans... just some food for thought!
1 month ago
Looks like a fun deck!
Hope this helps!
1 month ago
Your list is pretty amazing. I run Seton as a commander as well, and I’ve gone at it a bit differently. There are some cards you have that I definitely want to try out like Helix Pinnacle and Quest for Renewal . I am currently running some relatively janky stuff with some exceptions. You can check it out here.
I’ll take suggestion if you have any. The only thing I can respectively suggest to you (as I think your build is better than mine) is maybe run Nemesis Mask or Bloodscent to provide a way for your combat to work around opponent’s creatures.
I actually didn’t happen to notice any boardwipes. How do you work with that in mono-green? Im currently running All Is Dust and Cyclone — Setessan Tactics as some janky-sort-of-wipe. Other than the obvious Bane of Progress and Back to Nature for artifacts and enchantments.
2 months ago
Hellooooooo! I play Seton as a commander too! I like your deck list.
I’ll see if I can help you out. Feel free to give me feedback on mine as well (I feel like it still needs to be refined a bit). My version.
As far as boardwipes go I’m running All Is Dust , Setessan Tactics by itself or with Natural Affinity to destroy some lands as you aspire to do. Green Kamahl or Jolrael, Empress of Beasts help in this regard as well—and I see you are already running Kamahl. There’s also Oblivion Stone or a really janky option with Boompile . I’m also running Cyclone since mana is usually not a problem and this deals damage to each player as well which I like. And then there’s Back to Nature , Bane of Progress , Seeds of Innocence and Rampage of the Clans for artifact and enchantment wipes.
I just put a Paradox Engine in and I cant wait to see how it works.
Obviously no need to accept all of my suggestions but definitely stuff for you to think about. I personally need a Gilt-Leaf Archdruid for my deck still.
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