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|Commander Anthology 2018 (CM2)||Uncommon|
|Tempest Remastered (TPR)||Common|
|Commander 2014 (C14)||Uncommon|
|Duel Decks: Jace vs. Chandra (DD2)||Uncommon|
|Tenth Edition (10E)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition (9ED)||Uncommon|
|Ninth Edition Foreign Black Border (9EDFBB)||Uncommon|
|Promo Set (000)||Rare|
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Artifact Creature — Gnome
Sacrifice Bottle Gnomes: You gain 3 life.
Bottle Gnomes Discussion
1 day ago
6 months ago
I honestly tend to find Bottle Gnomes pretty relevant, as I often lose a lot of life, but I suppose I'm playing enough tutors now to where I can just grab Zulaport Cutthroat or something if that's really such a concern--I suppose I can cut him, though I will miss him.
I'm still kinda on edge about cutting Black Market --my meta is still fairly casual, but I have, in fact, won before with Exsanguinate thanks to all the mana from Black Market against a fairly competitive (but by no means optimized) Prossh, Skyraider of Kher deck (and some other peeps). I might find something else to cut for Pitiless Plunderer , but I'd rather not have to choose between both of them. (Also, something worth considering is that Black Market is harder to remove than Pitiless Plunderer , though they'd need exile effects or something in any case).
As for Sanguine Bond + Exquisite Blood , getting 10 mana isn't a problem for me, but I get what you're saying--it's not exactly the fastest combo available, and my deck probably doesn't slow the game down enough to make it competitively viable. All the same, there's just not that many better mono-black combos.
As for running more tutors and stax effects, well, for one, I actually still want this list to be playable in my meta (it's approaching a point where it's just too cancerous relatively to what the majority of everyone else is playing, believe it or not), so adding Trinisphere and Static Orb and the like would be very unsubtle and super cutthroat (though, yes, that's exactly what would make the deck more competitive, I understand that). Secondly, the list is getting pretty tight, yet again, so I'd probably have to cut some Shirei synergy for that sort of thing, which would probably be worth it, but would make me feel that much more soulless, honestly. Can never seem to strike that balance between not playing a whole bunch of staples and having a synergetic build...
Thirdly, while they'd absolutely be worth it, I'm not playing more tutors simply due to budget considerations. I know that might sound pretty laughable considering the deck costs $830 dollars, but it's the only list I have that I own in paper (well, most of it--waiting for more cards to arrive, as I keep cutting stuff), but I've been building it up over the course of 3-4 years. Budget is no object in cEDH, I know, but it is for me--the most expensive card in the deck is about $75. Spending $100 on a card isn't something I really want to do. I might find something to cut for Cruel Tutor , though (bad as it is).
As it stands, I think Liliana's Shade and Bottle Gnomes are out and Skittering Surveyor and Scroll Rack are in. A marginal improvement--still not good enough, though, you're right. If only I could run Land Tax + Scroll Rack ...
(Oh, and, on a completely unrelated note, this might already be a thing, but I was wondering if anyone had figured out a way to combo out with Timestream Navigator in a Prime Speaker Vannifar list. All you'd need is a 1-drop that recurs itself to either your hand or the battlefield, and, so long as you had enough mana and the city's blessing, you could take infinite turns. That might actually be a viable combo in cEDH).
6 months ago
NoOneOfConsequence shirei is one of the best recursion engines (so if you're beating a dead horse, at least we can expect it from a Shirei player). He provides significant advantage, provided you play an efficient & synergistic gameplan.
Liliana's Shade is 4 mana to tutor for a swamp every turn. Neat, but still it's 4 mana - unless you're going balls to the wall on 28-30 lands, I can't see how this is great for you, as it's an inefficient Skittering Surveyor . You have no other Swamp cards that I can see, therefore no reason to actually run the card in place of a more efficient version.
Black Market is great turn by turn, but pound for pound it's worse than Pitiless Plunderer , as with plunderer you make mana the same turn. Black market requires you to wait an entire turn-cycle before it does anything - and in those 3 turns you're not holding up mana to respond to all of your opponent's threats - basically gambling with the hope of a payoff on your turn.
Sanguine Bond & Exquisite Blood together are 10 mana to win. Flash-hulk is 2 mana. Exsanguinate & Torment of Hailfire are at least 15 each & they don't certify a win as you have no way to make unbounded mana.
Leyline of the Void is unavoidable in this build, as your win con is not coming out until late game, and any hulk deck will win first.
It's admirable that you've found so many creatures that synergise with shirei to hurt your opponents turn by turn. But here, a lot of these are redundant. In a stax deck you need many more ways to hurt your opponent decks. Including Trinisphere , Sphere of Resistance , Winter Orb , would all help your gameplan.
You could use Praetor's Grasp - as it's likely to find a card that will actually win you the game & it's a stax piece.
There are a lot of issues with your list - those t3 decks are usually decks that are unproven (imo). Your shirei deck still needs a lot of refinement for tier 3 to Deem Worthy .
I could go on about many of the other options in your Shirei build, but maybe you should re-read the comments section. I made sure to put a healthy set of options in there for you to consider several days ago.
I'd recommend doing some solid research into the cEDH meta and how cutthroat every design decision needs to be. I think there's a discord called playEDH, or look for some cEDH decks to test against. You'll find out very fast that your shirei build may be good in some metas, but in cEDH it is not enough.
7 months ago
Nice idea, but pretty difficult to build on budget.
You stated, you need ideas for your sideboard:
Maybe something to gain life to improve your game against burn decks. Budget ways I'm thinking of maybe Bottle Gnomes or Brindle Boar or even Dragon's Claw. Don't know, what you can get your hands on.
If possible, add some creatures with a nice value of cost to power/toughness, thus simply providing a second game plan to switch to, if your reanimation somehow is disabled or won't work for other reasons. I'm afraid you'll have to find those creatures yourself, for I have no idea what your budget's top level is nor what you allready got at home.
If you got any space left in your board, try to include answers to threats appeariing in your local metagame. Your playgroup/meta is full of decks running a horde of small and fast creatures? Try finding spells that kill of most/all of them at once (I'm thinking of things like Pyroclasm, Drown in Sorrow, Golden Demise and so on). Your meta features combo decks? Look for simple answers to break the combo or prevent it from even happening (=> most likely some discard spells like Duress).
I hope I provided some useful ideas.
1 year ago
Yes, this works. Grave Pact triggers when Bottle Gnomes is put into the graveyard, and your opponents sacrifice a creature as the trigger from Grave Pact resolves. This triggers Glissa, the Traitor. Since Bottle Gnomes is in your graveyard, you're allowed to target it.
1 year ago
I sacrifice Bottle Gnomes with Glissa, the Traitor and gravepact. This triggers Glissa and gravepact and bottle gnomes goes to the graveyard. Could I use one of the glissa triggers to bring bottle gnomes back to hand?
1 year ago
Heres the links since I don't think theyre in the system yet. What do you guys think?
Honestly I'm thinking the Zealot will be amazing. More continual card draw! And if you have life a Bottle Gnomes you're gonna have a fun time with all the drawing you can do!
Tomb raider is more on the fence for me. I just cannot decide if the trigger is worth it to explore. And its keyword doesnt really help so thats out of the picture really for viability.
1 year ago
@: I like the idea of playing Emperion so I shall try to use it. The biggest difference is its mana cost. That one turn is super important imo. Also at my local cgs there is a lot of infect running around so I generally have to work around that.
As to Supreme Will, I think its worth it to playtest with it. A split could be good. I feel like a lot of times the ability to actually get card advantage off of the card as opposed to just cantrip with it is really useful. Discarding unwanted cards also thins your deck out a bit unlike the will after you shuffle your deck. I think the counter could be very very influential but holding up 3 mana for it is a little gross if you're early in your game. I think at most times in the early game you'd rather just let their threat hit the board and then take care of it later, instead using your three mana to use its draw ability which I think is significantly inferior to Thirst for Knowledge's. Ill try it however and I am also optimistic about maybe doing a sort of split.
I have decided to follow your lead and main Spellskite as well as it is a 0/4 for two mana. That in game one is very good and the fact that it will shut down quite few number of other decks is really good. I'm gonna guess that this card will often be sided out tho.
Epiphany at the Drownyard is really just personal preference. I am running a 1/3 split between the drownyard and the Thirst for Knowledges. I feel like it turns on at about 5-6 mana and helps you snowball in the end game. When you use it you just have to have the mindset that you won't cast it unless they don't have a threat to play. Most of the time countering their spell or killing/bouncing their creature instead of drawing with the epiphany. But there will be times when they don't have a threat and then you get so much value from the card.
I am thinking that Trickbind could be really good now too. The value it gives when you shut down entire combos for a turn is really really good and while you don't get to cantrip with it I think that in this meta the exra versatility of Trickbind puts it barely over Squelch in usefulness.
I think that Urza's Factory while good would crowd out Mirrorpool. I'd consider adding it if I removed another spell but as of now Mirrorpool has been serving me really well as it helps get the edge in a game where you have tron but you're still deadlocked with your opponent. The factory could help you stabilize if you have tron but no money cards but It's not that efficient. That's just my thoughts.
Thanks for the advise wanna play on Trice sometime?
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