About the Triskelion, Phyrexian, Ooze combo. Once you exile something with 3cmc or more it just dies, and if you respond to that with exiling more cards that just means that you can only ping people when you exile a card with 2cmc or less, which means no matter what you would never be able to kill anyone with that combo let alone 2 or 3 people.

SirBakedAlot: According to the current oracle text the combo will work. Devourer has a static ability and an activated ability necrotic ooze only copies the activated ability so it doesn't need to sac itself at 7 power. I know older rulings prevented the combo, which is why most websites have wrong information, but as of now I assure you it does work. I copied the oracle text below:

"When Phyrexian Devourer's power is 7 or greater, sacrifice it.

Exile the top card of your library: Put X +1/+1 counters on Phyrexian Devourer, where X is the exiled card's converted mana cost."

Ahh okay sweet, love the deck by the way, glad the combo works.

Hey man, hope life I going well for ya. Had a couple of questions for you.

How has Putrid Imp played? Is the discard outlet worthwhile?

Also have you considered Force of Will over Mana Drain? Solely for the fact that Force of Will can be played wen you tap out. Not sure if you believe the exiling a blue card is too much for your deck, but something to consider. Even in addition to Mana Drain.

How is 32 lands playing for you? That seems extremely low, even with some of the ramp that you have.

Lastly, something you mentioned to me was about big creatures to reanimate or cheat into play. It seems like you've gone down some with these new updates (granted you are going the combo route). Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger I would strongly recommend. He is an immediate target, but if not taken care of he can win you the game. Especially with the cards you have that force your opponents to only play on their turns.

As far as a card to take out Body Double, Phyrexian Metamorph, or Phantasmal Image. Body Double I took out of my deck because he became underwhelming, not sure how he plays in your deck with all of the combos. The other two seem interesting to me as I'm not sure why their there. If you already have the creature on the battlefield, being that your combo, you should be good right? By all means correct me if I'm wrong. Unless they're also there to copy an opponent's creature just in case?

SirBakedAlot: Thanks man I appreciate it. Your name is hilarious btw :)

Pheardemons: Good to hear from you again and thank you again for the excellent questions. Putrid Imp is kind of meh. It occassionallly is really good, but I am often pissed to draw it. I feel it is worse than Flash or Scroll Rack most of the time.

Force of Will is great, but it requires some major support. I use it in my even faster pure combo version I have linked in the description above and it works well with the extra blue (please take a look at that deck as I have made some major breakthroughs that you may find useful/interesting). Force got stuck in my hand more often than I would like in this deck due to not having something to pitch. Its interaction with Misthollow Griffin is so great that I have to find room for it but not at the expense of Mana Drain. Being able to use it as a delayed ritual/tempo play is wonderful.

32 lands is working better than I hoped. Most CEDH decks run btw 29 to 32 lands but 50 mana sources total. I am running slightly less but reanimator can get by with slightly less. I almost never run more than 34 in any of my decks. I aggressively mulligan, so I almost always get the necessary 2 or 3 lands in my opening hand and it is rare that I have to go down to 5. Lands are slow, and getting mana flooded is terrible in this deck, so after my 3rd or 4th land drop I would rather have another card pretty much every time.

This deck has moved away from big fatties a bit to increase consistency overall. Vorniclex is very good with Palinchron and as a stax effect, but Deadeye Navigator combos are now like a plan c or d due to the need for 3/4 lands in play to work.

My clones are used for various purposes. I often use them to copy etb triggers like Peregrine Drake or Rune-Scarred Demon, which can allow me to combo off sooner. Phyrexian Metamorph also can copy mana rocks and Birthing Pod, which is relevant. Body Double is particularly good with Food Chain so it stays, but the other two I have cut in my other version because they are a remnant of my ETB/fattie focus and a 1 drop mana dork is more useful most of the time.

Aside from that one Xiahou Dun deck, this is the most hardcore I have seen on the site. Very very well done.

Grozoth is also in the 9 cmc slot. Anything you could do with him?

thecakeisalie42: Thank you for the support :-) Grozoth would be great in a casual 5 color deck built around the 5 bringers, Rise of the Dark Realms, and Inkwell Leviathan, etc. Unfortunately he does not do much for this strategy as I have had to cut a number of fatties to make the deck more consistent.

So, I have a question for you. Food chain combo in edh is not an auto-win if i'm not mistaken. Yes you generate infinite mana, but how to you win with no other cards? Apologies if it seems ignorant, I just fail to see how it wins by itself.

maddoxmtg - For this particular deck Food Chain is an automatic win. Granted you would need some kind of graveyard recursion in your hand, or the combo pieces there already. With this deck you generate infinite mana with Food Chain with Eternal Scourge or Misthollow Griffin. You then cast Sidisi, Brood Tyrant, exile it with Food Chain (and put it in the command zone), then recast to mill your entire library. He doesn't play Laboratory Maniac, but here you could cast your Eternal Witness or Regrowth for Yawgmoth's Will to cast any and all combos in your graveyard with the infinite mana. Second, if you have Victimize or two reanimate spells in your hand, you bring back Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Triskelion to ping everyone on the board. With infinite mana you can literately cast your ENTIRE graveyard once Yawgmoth's Will has been cast. Other decks use the Laboratory Maniac win condition (in variable different ways of using him to win). Lilbrudder hope you don't mind me coming in to explain your deck a little bit, and maddoxmtg let me (or obviously Lilbrudder knows more) if you have any more questions.

No worries Pheardemons: you just beat me to the punch haha.

Once you produce infinite creature specific mana you can cast and exile Sidisi until her enter the battlefield trigger mills most your deck and produces about 25-30 zombies. Then you Dread Return 3 zombies to return Eternal Witness to the battlefield to grab, then cast Tidespout Tyrant. With tyrant on the battlefield you can then cast and exile Eternal Scourge until:

A) All opponent permanents are back in their hands and win via zombie beats in a turn or two.

Or

B) You bounce and recast Eternal Witness with the same bounce trigger until you can return to hand then cast Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Triskelion to ping all opponents to death.

In short, Sidisi acts as an outlet for the mana to assemble the game winning combo and Eternal Scourge + Food Chain happens to be a really easy 2 card combo to assemble since you can exile the 1 drop mana dork to help pay for eternal scourge/misthollow griffin's mana cost.

Damn I totally messed that all up. I completely forgot the mana produced by Food Chain was only able to be used on creature spells. maddoxmtg my apologies, as well as to you Lilbrudder, but thanks for clearing that up.

Most people do :-) Food chain is Sidisi's primary advantage over all other BUG commanders. It only works for only her and it is really good.

Thanks man. Btw when you get time check out my sidisi deck, I believe I have refined it to be what I want. Somewhat explosive, but have backups in case things go wrong. Of course heavily influenced by your decks, but I do think I have kept some of the original concepts that I love. Whenever you get a chance.

Lastly, I've created a new EDH deck. I like to get all kinds of eyepoints, would you mind taking a look at it too whenever your free and let me know of any and all suggestions for either deck.

Evolution is too slow. I'll take it from here.

Awesome, thanks for the feedback guys.

I used to run Gitrog Combo with a Dread Return, Necrotic Ooze win as well. One this i noticed is that any graveyard hate is a hard stop to this plan as well as Sidisi's effect, (Leyline of the Void, Rest in Peace). Might I recommend a bit more ways to deal with that? Krosan Grip because it also stops nekusar+bell+MOM, and Beast Within because it deals with troublesome lands and walkers.

Also, have you looked into the new double etb trigger artifact for this deck? Might be a solid inclusion here.

maddoxmtg - This deck is extremely explosive. Granted, yes, opening hand Leyline of the Void or turn two Rest in Peace can definitely be troubling, but there are plenty of tutors and whatnot to assemble other combos. I.E. Food Chain, Mike and Trike, ect.

Also what is the double ETB Artifact?

It is a spoiler from kaladesh called Panharmonicon. here is the link. Linktext

And I just mean that most of your combos revolve around the graveyard and leyline and rip shut those down completely.

Definitely slows it down, but doesn't stop it completely. I have Woodfall Primus in my version in case of stuff like that. And interesting card.

It does look promising. Have you had a chance to look at my deck, I like to draw a lot? I was hoping to get some tips on it because you seem to know commander really well.

Pheardemons: I will gladly look at your decks.

maddoxmtg: Your concerns are certainly valid. Simply put, this deck does not have enough removal in it. I took a bunch out to test some cards. Chain of Vapor is currently my go to card for removing a troublesome permanent the turn I want to combo off. I also really like Beast Within, Nature's Claim, and Reclamation Sage. That double etb card is insane and since I already have an ultra fast all in combo deck for sidisi, this one may revert back to its roots a bit and go a little bit etb crazy. Then again I really want to incorportate a Leovold, Emissary of Trest package that includes a Windfall, Whispering Madness, and Jace's Archivist. Both Food Chain and Leovold have amazing synergy with one drop mana dorks and the wheels will help make Yawgmoth's Will even more broken. In short the last 3 sets have been extremely kind to Sidisi. Also, I would be happy to give your deck a look over

Thank you for any info you can supply for my decks. Additionally, if you want to play leovold, might i recommend a certain puzzle box? It is a nice hard lock with him and fun in a deck where you foodchain into a ton of creatures. my buddy has a sidisi deck with just food chain and tutors as the only non creatures. he then uses leovold and the puzzle box as a hard lock and just keeps his lands in hand to cycle away for more creatures.

I dislike this deck very much. I have been fighting the urge to go Sultai for the longest time. I'm almost ready to give in because of this.

I am not a fan of the LabMan though. Do you have any other win con in mind that is as quick and effective? I'm thinking of using my Future Sight - Sickening Dreams combo as a possible alternative.

Oops, wrong deck. I thought I was looking at the Leovold one. Lol

maddoxmtg: My issue for puzzle box for this deck is that it doesn't advance the purpose of this deck. This is a midrange reanimator deck so I really only want discard effects. Leo would serve only as a hatebear, who also does very bad things with wheels.

I know all too well the degeneracy of Leo. I did create this horrible brew after all Oh, I'm Sorry....Did I break your concentration? that our friend Megalomania hates, yet is drawn to. I take your ambivalance as high praise :-) Embrace the dark side brother!

Honestly for all his power Leo doesn't really do any wincondition better than he does labman. He can't exploit Food Chain like sidisi, infinite mana like tasigur, or Buried Alive like mimeoplasm. Your future sight combo would work. Honestly if you get a wheel off with leo any combo will close out the game pretty easily. I have also seen some good storm brews with him at the helm that could win via Candelabra of Tawnos + Capsize + High Tide . Leo plus Teferi's Puzzle Box and Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir is also a hard lock.

If you ran a heavier curve in Leovold, you could potentially include Necrotic Ooze + Phyrexian Devourer + Triskelion since he runs a bunch of wheel effects. This way there's less concern about discarding a bunch of potential win conditions.