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4 days ago
OMG OMG! Mindmoil!! Maybe consider Paradox Engine if you have the rocks to support it.My Nin, the Pain Artist deck might just get converted to this and join the bees as one of the 99. Super cool, Dude.
5 days ago
I think I would go with a healthy amount of artifact ramp and try to get him out turn 2 or 3. Dramatic Reversal on Isochron Scepter would be my preferred infinite combo I think. Basically loot your deck for a Mindmoil, Arjun, the Shifting Flame or maybe Laboratory Maniac?
1 week ago
I've been very distracted about my newfound responsibilities here I'm just going to go up the list a little:
Anyway, I'm keeping his list because I like his primer and how Approach of the Second Sun streamlines the deck's win condition and his explanation of how it's used.
merrowMania, Ohthenoises, Lilbrudder, & chaosumbreon87: Moved Circu, Dimir Lobotomist to T3 and added chaosumbreon87's deck in the description. His synergy with Dramatic Scepter is pretty clear cut, and chaosumbreon87's list looks good enough to have up for now. (Although, I recommend shifting the mana base more toward blue, my playtests were giving me too many swamps I didn't need with the even split you have right now. Also Time Spiral?)
Ohthenoises, I don't think Ramunap is going to effect Titania that much since Crucible was never really a plan A for the deck, but it's definitely going to be a good addition.
Also, I'm pretty sure that I'm the only one who's posted a Titania list here, so I'll probably figure out where Ramuna goes and put that up soon. (I've also discovered some interesting combo potential with her and Drownyard Temple recently, which could be cool.)
Scyxx, The Commander 2017 legends have not been added to the site yet because they were leaks. When they're added they'll go on here. EVERYBODY ELSE: Remind me what placement was agreed on for them. I was thinking:
- Wasitora - T3
- O-Kagachi - T3
- Ur-Dragon - T4
- Ramos - T2.5 (? - There was a lot of discussion on him, did anyone come up with anything solid?)
- Taigam - T2.5 (We need to come up with something here too.)
Ohthenoises: Phenax has actually been a pet project of mine for a while now. I'm convinced that he could make an excellent combo deck that uses self-mill & the yard to see pieces more consistently. Haven't really got it off the ground though. As to your question, most Phenax decks run Undead Alchemist and Altar of the Brood already since they combo with other cards.
Hi Brewstorm! I really like your Arcanis list. It's seems straightforward and powerful. I've added it to the description since TheDevicer seems to have taken his list private or deleted it. (No offense meant TheDevicer! Unfortunately, I never got a chance to view your Arcanis deck, so right now I don't have anything to compare to. If you feel your deck still deserves a shot, then you can feel free to resubmit.)
HezTheGod, Though I think your deck looks just like every other Izzet storm deck ever, it's easy to see how Mindmoil in the command zone is helpful in the archetype. Moved Arjun to T3, added your deck to the description.
ajacobik, There's been a lot of talk about Erebos in cEDH lately. I know there's a good deck up on Reddit. I gotta say, having played against a friend's Erebos deck extensively, I'm little skeptical, but I'm aware he's gaining popularity and he might move up.
SIDBJJ, That list looks very good. I'll throw it up on List of Partner Pairs by Tier. I do think you have room to keep improving though, n0bunga was giving good advice about colored mana combos, Grand Architect and Pili-Pala are a creature and an artifact creature, which gives you much better reception to blue/green's tutor profile. Also, I'm not too sold on Tooth and Nail into Deadeye even with Kydele's ramp, that combo tends to be outmoded nowadays in cEDH. You're definitely off to a great start though, so keep at it. I don't think too many other people are brewing Thrasios/Kydele right now.
chaosumbreon87, Added your Kefnet list. The others didn't really stand out to me (or are too soon to call like Ramos and Taigam). Left you some comments on the other ones.
So long as there are no objections I'm going to make some changes that I've been harping on since forever:
- Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro moved up to T3. This deck I made as evidence: Optimized Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro
- Depala, Pilot Exemplar, Gonti, Lord of Luxury, and Kemba, Kha Regent all bumped down to T4.
I'd also like peoples opinions on whether the following commanders that were demoted to T3 before the advent of .5 tiers should be given the opportunity to move to T2.5:
- Omnath, Locus of Mana
- Titania, Protector of Argoth
- Freyalise, Llanowar's Fury
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed
- Teneb, the Harvester
- Kaalia of the Vast
Another thing I'd like people's opinions on: promoting Savra, Queen of the Golgari to T3. After playtesting this deck: Hapatra Vizier of Apostles, by HarroHunter I was pleasantly surprised to see how fast and efficient Thrumming Stone+Shadowborn Apostle could be in EDH, especially with one or two other G/B combos to back it up. As I told HarroHunter, I didn't think the deck had enough to do with Hapetra to be representative of her, but I do think the list itself has merit, and it seemed to me like the most logical G/B commander to run it would be Savra, as she'd give you scaleable creature sweep with the Apostles. What does everybody think? With this list in mind, could Savra move up?
Last thing that's been brought up is the possibility of a name change to make the title of this list more coherent. Would anyone be bothered if I changed this list's name from "[List - Multiplayer] EDH Generals by Tier" to "List of All Commanders in Multiplayer by Tier" ?
This is only about half of what I planned on addressing, but Imma take a break now since this comment is really long and I'm losing my mind.
2 weeks ago
ajacobik, Erebos, God of the Dead is essentially just a mono-black draw commander, he really isn't that powerful as lifegain is not as important in multiplayer EDH. Ertai, the Corrupted on the other hand has access to two more colors, has an ability that can combo with dies triggers, combos with Mind Over Matter and Paradox Engine, and has built in interaction with your opponents. Ertai, the Corrupted is by far the more powerful commander between the two and deserves his spot in tier 3, the same can't be said of Erebos, God of the Dead.
On a side note I wholeheartedly believe that Arjun, the Shifting Flame is NOT a tier 4 general. He may not be as powerful as some other storm commanders but his ability is not one that can be ignored. His Mindmoil ability combos very well with Alhammarret's Archive and Thought Reflection which can be used to draw your entire deck and win with Laboratory Maniac. Having Arjun as your commander will usually let you see your entire deck just by cycling though it. This makes him one of the best commanders for a Splinter Twin/Pestermite and/or Deceiver Exarch/Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker as well as numerous other combos in izzet. Due to his cycling ability he makes an excellent storm commander because you can constantly cast the cards you need to and get rid of the leftovers.
I believe the most competitive list I have (the one I put on the cEDH subreddit) is here: Arjun, Flame on!
It operates by storming off with Alhammarret's Archive, Paradox Engine, and/or other draw or mana positive effects then win with Laboratory Maniac or Aetherflux Reservoir it can do this (with or without Arjun) as early as turn 3.
It is for this reason I believe Arjun is probably a tier 2.5 commander and if not, at least tier 3. He certainly does not deserve tier 4 because competitive builds with him are viable.
4 weeks ago
So, you're relying completely on Warp World, Gate to the AEther, and Knowledge Pool to put Endless Whispers and Conjured Currency onto the battlefield? Have you considered a couple shock lands, just in case you draw them? Or maybe Mindmoil to rid them from your hand?
1 month ago
I love a good mono-red BEATS deck! How does Urza's Rage sound? Chandra, Pyromaster is a cheap planeswalker than can copy a devastating damage spell. Dual Casting for more copying. If you want to have fun and gamble, Fiery Gambit can attract a crowd to your table to watch (Imagine copying it!). Braid of Fire Ain't cheap, but it'll supply you with mana. Wild Ricochet is almost an auto-include for me (saved me multiple times). run Brand if card stealing is heavy in your meta.
Card Draw: Unfortunately, Red mana doesn't have great access to card draw without discard effects; Avaricious Dragon, Browbeat can net a few cards, Burning Inquiry, Goblin Lore, Control of the Court, Mindmoil does a dope job of letting you dig through your library. ALOT of wheel effects.
BUT Geth's Grimoire Makes amazing use of these wheel effects!!
You might be interested in Otherworld Atlas. Yes it gives everybody cards, but hardly anyone can complain or target the guy giving everyone cards. Arcane Spyglass makes use of unneeded mana. Farsight Mask, Font of Mythos, Illuminated Folio, Staff of Nin, Well of Knowledge,
Sorry for the gross wall of text, hope this helps!!