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Creature — Elemental
Reach (This can block creatures with flying.)
When Cloudthresher enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each creature with flying and each player.
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
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3 weeks ago
This is actually a pretty cool list - a lot of it synergizes well with the sacrifice theme and there's a strong Meren shell here.
Some potential additions:
Plaguecrafter is an insane uncommon from GRN - strictly better than others with the same effect. I'd have as many of the effects as possible, so a third doesn't hurt.
Board wipes in general. I don't think I see any, and board wipes are the "Get Out of Jail Free" cards of Commander. If you're behind, they let you catch up with opponents. Some ideas: Living Death (solid card - we've already seen what this can do, and in your deck, a deck with lots of ETB and sac value, this is just good), Decree of Pain (hefty CMC, but the card advantage this gives you is insane), Black Sun's Zenith (gets around indestructibility, -1/-1 counters are a pain for everyone). You do have some dictate effects (i.e. Dictate of Erebos) which can function as indirect board wipes, but it's a win-more type of board wipe. Dictate effects are still amazing - don't get me wrong.
Spore Frog. Oh god. It's Spore Frog. The single most frustrating card for most decks facing Meren. It's one CMC, gets you a free counter on Meren each turn, saves you from combat, and then is revived for further use. Somebody tries to exile it? Sacrifice it in response. They still get fogged. Just make sure to save it for instant speed - that is, wait until their turn to use it.
Viscera Seer. One of the most important things for sacrfice decks is ways to sacrifice creatures. Viscera Seer is amazing at this. Just like Spore Frog, it gets you a counter on Meren each turn and a free scry. Not only this, but it gives you ways to sac creatures at instant speed for no cost - just a great effect!
Buried Alive fetches you anything you want. Want a Spore Frog? Sure. Want to fetch out Protean Hulk to pull out an infinite combo win? You betcha.
Speaking of Protean Hulk, I don't think newer players realize how utterly insane this card is. There was a time when this thing was banned in commander - it's a seriously broken card. There's a whole list on r/CompetitiveEDH about this card's infinite combos: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/67czr7/protean_hulk_combos_by_color/. Considering including one in the deck. Though a little out of your price range for now, one of the most reliable and flexible is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Walking Ballista. They both enter play at the same time (since X = 0 for Walking Ballista if you pull it out of your deck with Hulk, you can pull it and Mikeaus [whose cmc = 6] at the same time, since 6 + 0 = 6) , and since X = 0, Walking Ballista immediately dies due to state based effects, which then brings it back with a +1/+1 counter from undying. Remove the counter, deal 1 damage to a player, return the ballista, repeat forever! You win by pinging your opponents to death! Well actually it doesn't work. Since Mikeaus gives non-humans +1/+1 in addition to undying, Walking Ballista will still be a 1/1 after the counter is removed. If you have a sac outlet out (such as Viscera Seer), you can sac Walking Ballista after removing the counter to fuel the combo, and have it go infinite. This is one of the Protean Hulk combos, and is probably the most fair one (and I'm using 'fair' losely here - Protean Hulk is still fetching a win nearly every time it dies). Plus, a Hulk combo gives you a reliable win condition to defeat your opponent with.
Fecundity. I don't know why I don't see this card played more. Despite the symmetrical effect (that is - both you and your opponents drawing cards), you'll be making the most advantage off of it. Spore Frog now draws you an extra card each turn - so does Viscera Seer! Not to mention that it just helps the sacrifice player overall more than others.
Black Market. Oh boy. So much mana. 'Nuff said. I love this card. Mana is super valuable in Commander, as in all formats, and this card gives it in the bucketload.
Beast Within or Krosan Grip or Nature's Claim. Beast Within is probably the one I would use, but I just think you might want a spot removal for enchantments. I don't see any other way besides Golgari Charm, which is meh for it at best, in your deck to deal with them, and they are an important card to be able to destroy. Plus, the versatility of Beast Within is just really good - destroy target permanent.
Birthing Pod. Yeah, this is on the pricier side, which is why I added it at the end. It's another broken card, and is banned in modern but still has a pricetag because of its commander play. It tutors for things, which is a great effect in Magic.
Diabolic Intent. Dunno. Just seems pretty good. Never really used it.
Some potential cuts:
Champion of Stray Souls offers a Living Death impression, but not a good one at that. It's really expensive to use and I don't think it's in your best interests to keep it, as it's a six CMC fattie that doesn't really contribute to your plan.
Cloudthresher. Damnation and Wrath of God and Toxic Deluge and Evacuation and Blasphemous Act and Merciless Eviction all do more than just touch flying creatures, and cost the same or less. They might not be in your colors, but as you're in Black, you have access to the single best board wipes in the game. One that touches only flyers and only does 2 damage (a low amount in commander) is pretty underwhelming.
Caller of the Pack. Generic big dumb green fatty. Dunno. Guess it's fine? It's more or less Vanilla, despite having myriad, and contributes nothing to your plan as the tokens it creates aren't even sacrificed - they go into exile.
Banshee of the Dread Choir has the same problem as with Caller of the Pack. Just a semi-vanilla card that doesn't really do anything for you.
Dread Summons feels more like a mill card? Doesn't really have much in the way of sacrifice, besides the 2/2 bodies. I think there are much better cards for this slot.
Golgari Charm. It's fine, but not great. Beast Within is better.
Wretched Confluence. Again, it's fine, but there are better cards for this slot.
Hope this helps. The deck seems pretty solid - you've got a good Meren shell, and I look forward to seeing the finished deck!
1 month ago
The Vivid Lands (Vivid Creek etc) and Shards' and Khans' block Trilands (Arcane Sanctum etc) are always what I go to when I gotta build a 5-color mana base. They are dirt cheap and very effective for making sure that you got access to all your colors. The old standard 5-color control decks of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor era were playing Cloudthreshers and Cruel Ultimatums in the same deck, thanks to the Vivid Lands combined with Reflecting Pool. That's a quadruple green spell combined with UUBBBRR mana cost and really is a testament to those lands' power.
7 months ago
a few ideas to consider. take these, or leave them, just concepts to possibly make omnath more dangerous!
since green is weaker on the removal, you may want to include creatures that have nice ETB removal. terestadon and woodfall primus are nice additions to consider.
instead of your spiders i would consider Cloudthresher, since it has flash, reach deals damage to flyers, and it can be evoked. super versatile considering its 7/7 body.
already mentioned was Ghalta, Primal Hunger. the value cast you can get out of this creature is incredible. for a 12/12 trample. so good, especially since we want targets for opponent spells other than omnath.
another creature to consider would be Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar. this card scales well for mid and late game, and can even be cast turn 4 with proper acceleration. very good card all around, with some sticky protection. also, both ghalta and multani have trample. very important.
one final consideration: i would focus on ramp spells more than doubling effects. maybe 70% ramp spells, and 30% doubling (can be as different as you like) but for these reasons: (1) ramp spells help you early on more so, and doublers tend to be more expensive and mid/late game cards. as such, they tend to be "win more" cards rather than important cards. dont get me wrong, in omnath that can get you to a 40/40 omnath quickly, and (2) land destruction is an uncommon removal type in EDH, and if it is there it is usually a one off like strip mine. so adding more land to your pool instead of using mana-doublers to generate your green mana may have better sustainability from wrath effects.(screw you merciless eviction)
9 months ago
Upon further thought my answer was probably not what youre looking for as far as this list goes. It seems at first glance the cards you could replace would be Cloudthresher for another Acidic Slime because Acidic Slime is just a fantastic card all around. You could get hard countered by stuff like Crucible of Worlds so some sort of anti-artifact could be useful like Naturalize. Thragtusk is a great card to help against burn, but you're probably going to lose to aggro regardless of what tech you throw in there. Overall its a solid card to toss into most any green deck. I would highly recommend Wall of Roots or even Sylvan Caryatid to help with defense/mana ramp early game. Since you are probably not going to be able to remove all of their land and continue to remove it to prevent them from playing stuff, more win-cons like another Hornet Queen is probably necessary to ensure you have something to finish the game with.
9 months ago
Morning gents (and ladies!), I've been playing around with a mono-green ramp/land-destruction deck which I really love in concept, but can't seem to quite get optimized, so I figured I'd come to the experts...
This is the deck as it stands now:
- 3x Acidic Slime
- 4x Arbor Elf
- 3x Elvish Mystic
- 4x Eternal Witness
- 1x Hornet Queen
- 3x Sakura-Tribe Elder
- 2x Stampeding Serow
- 1x Cloudthresher
- 3x Beast Within
Apart from ramping up to destroy my opponent's land and then pounding on him, there is also a soft-lock win con using Eternal Witness, Stampeding Serow and Primal Command which comes up more than you'd think.
While I'm open to any thoughts or suggestions, the primary things I'm struggling with right now are twofold:
1) It never feels smooth. It always seems that I either end up with way too much ramp in my hand or none at all. Is that just bad luck up to this point? I replaced Plow Under, great as it is, with Beast Within to smooth out my mana curve a little.
2) I've got slots for two big creatures in this deck, preferably ones with utility that have effects when they come into play. Right now I'm using Cloudthresher and Hornet Queen - I figure that they give me a nice bit of flexibility and I can hunt for whichever I need in the moment, but they also don't synergize particularly well (not that they need to). I'm considering Thragtusk as well and I've been bouncing back and forth between the three for a while now. I'm also completely open to another option here that I might not have considered.
So far, this deck has been incredibly fun to play, but incredibly frustrating at times as well, and I'd really like to see if I can make it legitimately competitive. I've also considered a more control-tilted version of it, splashing blue for 4x Remand and 4x Mana Leak which synergizes well, but seems to leave me a little thin, trying to ramp OR land destruct OR counter, so for right now that's on the back burner.
9 months ago
Omnath is completely commander dependant, after all the goal of the deck is to combo off with him, so there is not much you can do, so you have to work around it. You need to protect him better and get a bit more recursion because Omnath at 7 CMC is expensive enough.
Against removals you can use Sylvan Safekeeper and Heroic Intervention and there is always Asceticism which is a bit more expensive both money and mana wise.
For recursion Seasons Past is one of my favorite cards lately, easilly you get five to seven cards out of it. Greenwarden of Murasa is another no brainer because of the tribal theme. Deadwood Treefolk works similarly, it sacrifices itself and you don't have to exile it, but only brings back creatures. Paleoloth is another creature I though about, the creature by itself is kinda bad, but with Omnath you can trigger it the same turn you cast it.
Some creatures are too big to be killed with damage or plainly indestructible, so I run stuff like Scour from Existence and Brittle Effigy. Spitebellows is a damage based removal but you can get a lotta triggers for just three mana.
You should cut Door of Destinies and Vanquisher's Banner, you only have 14 elemental spells (counting Omnath) so you won't be getting enough triggers out of them to make them worth their spot in the deck.
Animist's Awakening is just bad, keep in mind you will be getting about one land for every three mana you spend on the X (there are many other effects taking lands out of the deck). It would be good if were producing limitless mana, but if you already have infinite mana you don't really need so many lands, anyway it's a worse Genesis Wave. Better options are Traverse the Outlands and Boundless Realms or the Genesis Wave.
Stuff like Exploration and Wayward Swordtooth work amazingly in these decks, specially when you combine it with the Oracle of Mul Daya and Courser of Kruphix you already run and Ramunap Excavator if you were to include it (feels like a cheat with cards like Evolving Wilds).
10 months ago
Building and testing my Omnath, Locus of Rage deck I realized that 2 mana for fetching a basic land is good, 4 mana for fetching two lands is great, but 6 mana for fetching three lands is a terrible deal. If you are casting such an expensive sorcery you should get a way bigger effect on its own before adding any synergies. Boundless Realms is a great card but Nissa's Renewal and Verdant Confluence are lacking heavily.
Getting three cards form graveyard from Verdant Confluence instead is okayish, but for that end is way better Seasons Past it usually gets me five to seven cards form the graveyard.
Traverse the Outlands is just a lower cost sorcery that in this deck will usually fetch you at least five lands.
I'd also add some sacrifice outlets such as Goblin Bombardment, Ashnod's Altar, Altar of Dementia, Breeding Pit, High Market, maybe even Skullmulcher, three of them should be good enough. Being able to kill your elementals on command in order to trigger Omanth is crucial.
You may have troubles with flyers so I'd swap Molten Disaster for Chain Reaction, in multiplayer it will be like a second Blasphemous Act.
Ulvenwald Hydra will also be a nice response to flyers. It isn't an elemental but it still synergizes greatly with the deck mechanics. I also like Cloudthresher and Tornado Elemental to fight those pesky flyers.
Spitebellows is a good removal for an Omnath deck, when yopu evoke it you can get a lot of triggers for just three mana.
10 months ago
I'm glad you liked my suggestions. I have a Omnath deck of my own (haven't uploaded it yet) where I have those cards but I'm reforming it because I can't make it work (that's why I was checking your deck), Omnath is expensive and it takes forever to star rolling even having tons of ramp. For me the problen is the deck being to heavy to move and passing the first turns doing nothing but taking lands out of the library and when I finally get to cast Omnath they kill it and now you have to get to 9 mana. Also I have big problems with flyers, I like your choices of Ulvenwald Hydra, Tornado Elemental and Cloudthresher, I was planning to run them myself.
Keep in mind that every meta is different, what works for me, won't necessarily work in your meta. From your deck I'd cut:
- Apocalypse Hydra I'd cut it because it only synergize with the Elemental Mastery otherwise is another expensive underperforming fatty, you can put the elemental mastery on any of your power 5 creatures and get a good value out of it.
- Golden Guardian Flip from among all the fliplands in IXL and RIX that's probably the one I like the least, you need mana to play and flip it and you also need a big creature of your own to kill it in a fight, when you flip it you create tokens that don't synergize with the deck so I don't really see the point of it in this deck. If you have it because it produces two mana IMO Dowsing Dagger Flip for a total of mana, you can flip it the same turn you play it and you can give the tokens to a player and attack another, on top of that the land produces 3, it's basically a cheaper situational Gilded Lotus
- Frontier Guide to ramp a single land feels awfuly slow and inefficient, I'd rather play any of the CMC4 ramp sorceries.
- Incandescent Soulstoke I don't think you can really win or deal serious damage by cheating a fatty for a turn and then losing it. Best thing you could throw at him is Molimo that depends on your lands, so in early game it's small in late game you can just cast it. The overal number of elementals in the deck is low. maybe something like Elvish Piper, Deathrender, Quicksilver Amulet or Champion of Rhonas instead?
- Molimo, Maro-Sorcerer It's big and it has trample, but CMC7 is too high but I don't think it earns his slot without cheating it onto the battlefield.
- Rubblehulk a cheap molimo without trample and Bloodrush which I guess not playing double strike you won't use that often
- Spawnwrithe if there was a good plan to make this guy and his copies deal combat damage to an opponet I would love it, but he will be lucky if he manages to do it once on his own.
- Mask of Avacyn unless you are protecting a low toughness guy Swiftfoot Boots or Lightning Greaves are better at protecting your guys. You can also use Steely Resolve to protect them all at the same time, but haste is king.
- Seer's Lantern This card is terribly weak. You are already ramping like a mad man and if you want artifacts Worn Powerstone, Thran Dynamo and Sol Ring are better mana boost. For utility you can try Conqueror's Galleon Flip (check if you can have combined power of 4 or greater the turn after consistently before including it).
- Whispersilk Cloak this card is way too subtle, you want to combo off and crush your opponents with your 5/5 elementals or you are going 4th of July and throw sparks everywhere. If you just want protection the boots or the greaves are better cards.
- Animist's Awakening you start the game with 40 lands in a 99 card deck which mean that at best you can only expect to find one land for every mana you spend on the . I say at best because you have many ramp spells that take lands from the library lowering your chances with this spell. Try instead Boundless Realms maybe you want to include more basic lands
- By Force Not a bad card but you may want to swap it for Vandalblast or Into the Core if there are indestructible artifacts in your meta.
- Clear the Land aren't there any more decent ramp spels with CMC3? find one that at leas don't give lands to your opponents Realms Uncharted don't ramp you but it will put lands in hand and graveyad, and not just basics.
- Creeping Renaissance I want to like this card, but every time I tryed it, it underperformed. In this deck you have few permanents of a single type except for lands and you don't dredge yourself to put stuff in your graveyard. You do have a lot of lands, but to get those lands better use Splendid Reclamation, World Shaper, Ramunap Excavator or Life from the Loam. For a big, more flexible recursion spell I like Seasons Past
- Growth Spasm replace for Kodama's Reach, or Cultivate. they are commander staples for a reason.
- Mizzium Mortars replace for Blasphemous Act kills your creatures but you can be sure that it will kill almost everything and with discount
- Pirate's Pillage allows you to cast Omnath on your 5th land but still i'd swap it for Harmonize another green EDH staple.
- Primal Growth good card but you won't have disposable creatures on your early game and as a late game card is weak. As I told you before Kodama's Reach, or Cultivate (whichever you didnt used before).
- Search for Tomorrow another good card that will perform better in other decks that really need to get to four mana ASAP, IMO some beefy ramp spell would be better for Omnath. Another one I like in this deck is Khalni Heart Expedition
- Evolutionary Leap swap for Ashnod's Altar, you want your sac outlets to be activated without mana and without tapping. Your opponents will probably start worrying as soon as the see this card as it is often used for infinite combos.
- Fires of Yavimaya for Anger. Mainly because you can cast it and put it on the battlefield to block in the early game and later you get the haste bonus. other good options for this end in this deck Ogre Battledriver and In the Web of War, same effect different formats.
- Rite of the Raging Storm I ended up removing this enchantment from the deck because it is slow and don't help me with my defense, it's for more aggressive decks. The elemental that pops and sacrifices is nice when you have the commander, but It doesent justify the 5 manas.
What I'm still missing in the deck.
- Buffs to your creatures Beastmaster Ascension, Forgotten Ancient
- Rampaging Baloths not elemental but those 4/4 bodies will prove useful later to get us some cards and defense
- More recursion Greenwarden of Murasa is a solid creature. The second much worse option is Paleoloth I've tried before in other decks but maybe it can be good with Omnath's tokens.
- Spitebellows Perfect in this deck
- Decimate simply an orgasm every time you cast it. The catch of this card is that you need to be able to target a different permanent of each type, but that is not a problem in multyplayer
- More defense from flyers, I run this funny card Chaosphere, some other cards I'm considering are Spidersilk Armor, Katabatic Winds, Silklash Spider, Sandwurm Convergence.
- Scour from Existence because with red and green you will have trouble with high toughness creatures and/or indestructibles. I'ts a high mana instant but it will resolve any problem you have
- Parallel Lives Because at the end of the day it is a token deck
- Traverse the Outlands a kick ass ramp spell if you manage to ramp four lands or more.
- Heroic Intervention the ultimate shielding card.
- Mana multiplication Mana Reflection, Zendikar Resurgent, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger this one is a bit to hard top lay if you don't cheat it into the battlefield. The low cost option has the problem of helping your opponents too Keeper of Progenitus
- Much more card draw Drumhunter, Mouth / Feed, Shamanic Revelation, Garruk's Packleader.
- Synergy with instant/sorceris Young Pyromancer, Primal Amulet Flip?
- Wayward Swordtooth?
For me the problem with this deck is you need to so many card slots and turns ramping that you don't do much more. It is quite spectacular when you manage to combo off, but it feels a bit like a one trick pony. so that is why I'm tinkering with my Omnath deck trying to find balance for my meta.
Good luck with your deck, I hope I have been of some help.