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|Commander 2015 (C15)||Rare|
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Creature — Elemental
Reach (This can block creatures with flying.)
When Cloudthresher enters the battlefield, it deals 2 damage to each creature with flying and each player.
Evoke (You may cast this spell for its evoke cost. If you do, it's sacrificed when it enters the battlefield.)
3 weeks ago
That's the best kind of brainstorming, for sure!
I'm not sure about Boomerang either ... it's very good with Shocklands, but I'm not sure the tempo hit on a normal land is big enough to justify it. Thanks tons for the other bounce options, but if I find it's too weak, I'll likely move to actual counters (e.g., a 2-2 split of Negate and Mana Leak ).
I'd looked at Cloudthresher , but I don't think the effect is worth the mana cost, especially since I expect to periodically have Nimble Obstructionist and maybe Vendilion Clique (currently in the maybeboard) in the air.
Thanks so much for all the inputs!
I'm not sure about adding Black (not that it's a bad idea, just that I don't currently have any of the manabase to support it, so it'd be a big outlay for essentially just an experiment). But Shadow of Doubt could be great for sure. Dream Eater is extremely interesting ... I'll give it a hard look.
4 weeks ago
Here's some drunken brainstorming:
The ability of Boomerang to bounce lands doesn't seem very useful in modern when everything so cheap. And it's not like you have anything that really works with bouncing lands. Spellstutter Sprite counters spells with a converted mana cost of 1, might be better than Boomerang . If you really want bounce, I'd say if you're planning to bounce your own things most of the time, consider Call to Heel , and if you plan on bouncing opponent's things consider Echoing Truth . If you can't decide, consider Repeal or Remand .
If you want some spicy tech, run a Redirect or two. In Modern, it can make an opponent Thoughtseize themselves or Lightning Bolt their own critters, steal Ancestral Vision s, and can even counter Cryptic Command s. There are a few decks it does nothing against, but it can often do more damage to the opponent than even Counterspell , when it two-for-one's them. It can also count as removal for you.
Voidmage Husher is repeatable counter to activated abilities, but is quite mana intensive. Maybe you could find room as a one-of?
People always forget blue and green have burn spells with Psionic Blast and Hornet Sting . It's not much, but it would be enough to catch some players by surprise. It's just a thought, since you said you wanted burn in the deck.
1 month ago
okay, here are some "win-cons" I found. you could just go for a big creature like Trench Gorger , Stormtide Leviathan , Aggressive Mammoth , Aurochs Herd , Carnage Tyrant , Child of Gaea , Cloudthresher , Essence of the Wild could be fun, Force of Nature is really big, Frost Titan , Grunn, the Lonely King , Guile , Hydra Broodmaster (this is one of my all time favorites since it was one of my first cards), Nessian Wilds Ravager , Sagu Mauler (a card I wanted to play for a long time but didn't have the right deck for it, but this seems a perfect fit), Terra Stomper (of course, a classic), Gigantosaurus , Primeval Force , Thornling or maybe Vorapede
yes, I went through almost every 5 and 6 cost minion in green and blue. I'm sure there are other cards that could win you the game out there. but this is what I found
you could also use something that is very evasive ofcourse. like Sun Quan, Lord of Wu or Archetype of Imagination . or something different like a combo with Deadeye Navigator , or counter things and make Draining Whelk really big.
1 month ago
Love the concept! gota couple suggestions, figured I'll accordian them to keep from filling up the whole page.
Predator, Flagship is costly, but lets be honest - mono-green doesn't care about that. giving flight for troops to evade or block, anti-aircraft cannons, and the tractor beam to lift up enemy ground-pounders, this colorless removal engine is worth evey mana spent on it.
Arena + Combat step: Declare attackers. Before blockers, activate arena, Choosing one of your tapped attacking creatures. the creature picks a fight before blockers, potentially giving a 2-1 for you if they block afterwards, but otherwise taking out a blocker and still getting all their damage through.
Genesis is amazing for recusion, if that's your thing (I know it's mine, but not everyone elses), and it's a 3 drop if you hard cast it with Her fluffiness on the field.
Trolls of Tel-Jilad offers regen for your forces (or allies, in exchange for favors...)
Krosan warchief acts like a mini trolls of T-J for beasts, and reduces their cost as well. more a niche card, but worth mentioning if you end up going that route.
Weatherseed Treefolk is fragile, but returns to hand when killed.
Phytotitan is even more fragile, but returns for free
Masked Admirers is a card drawing chump blocker. while it doesn't get the cost reduction, it definatly will dish out the damage over a game with trades. and the card draw for ETB is icing on the cake.
Gurzigost is a wierd huge guy that smashes face, all for the low low cost of ... recycling your graveyard. oh no... /endsarcasm
Ulvenwald Hydra grows based on your land base, and fetches a land as an etb trigger. added bonus: has reach to deal with fliers.
Oran-Reif Hydra grows to monstrous sizes as the game progresses. not all that exciting, but cheap ($ wise)
Dungrove Elder is completely worth the G mana cost once you hit 4 lands, and will only get bigger as the game goes on.
Terra Stomper , Carnage Tyrant , Chameleon Colossus , Kodama of the North Tree , Kalonian Behemoth , Gaea's Revenge , and Ancient Ooze just do what they normally do with efficiency: smash. they aren't pretty or fancy, but they are cost efficient before your general's discount, so they smash hard for cheap.
Skysnare Spider has the two most important keywords for green multiplayer: vilgilance and reach
Hydra Omnivore lets you get damage through defenses of players by ignoring that player entirely and focusing elswhere.
Indrik Stomphowler and Conclave Naturalists might be good replacements for reclaimation sage, with you commander out they cost the same. Destructor Dragon acts the same on death, but hits planeswalkers and lands as well.
Woodfall Primus is a solid (abet later game) removal that returns to work again.
World Breaker acts as an exile, and is colorless to boot. added benefits are reach and recurrable.
Wickerbough Elder gets the cost reduction, despite being a 3/3 base when cast.
Wolfbriar Elemental lets you dump green into a token army of 2/2s if you need to spread out the love or create some chump blockers. quantity has it's own quality sometimes.
Vorapede is a undying buggy with vigilance for 3 when your general is out
Thornling is a solid all-round stomper that is hard to deal with, via indistructable and increasable toughness.
Thrun, the Last Troll is another hard to deal with threat: hexproof, uncounterable, and regenerate means not a whole lot can touch him.
Spearbreaker Behemoth can act as a duribility booster by giving indistructibility
Krosan Drover is a good card for the really expensive creatures, giving another cost reduction.
Ulvenwald Observer is a solid card-draw engine for the deck when things die
Nessian Game Warden lets you sift through your deck based on forests in play
Brooding Saurian is typically just a sideboard card against control matchups, but worth mentioning all the same.
Stone-Tongue Basilisk is a cheap ($ wise) little guy that can field-wipe an opponent if you time a swing right.
Kamahl, Fist of Krosa should go in every green deck that he can. this goes double for mono-green. Overrun as an repeatable instant? check. wrath countermeasures? Living Plane that only hits opponents for G per land. totally worth it.
1 month ago
I'm playing Nikya, and my deck list here on tapped out it's not updated. It's Full creatures...62 creatures and 38 lands. I had the same fellings for Primal Surge, and loved your idea on Tarzi. But what i did in my last update on Nikya: Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger and Regal Behemoth to increase your mana at a ridiculous amanounts to Cast ridiculous Hydras...its a F...Gruul so giant creatures are welcome; All Draw creature like Primordial Sage to fuel your hand and use that huge amount of mana; Urabrask the Hidden and all the same way for Haste; Flash creatures to have some surprize..."oh that guy don't use any instant, so lets get him off guard." Cloudthresher , Great Oak Guardian , Haze Frog . The Deck can be awesome cos that "mana flare" on commander is so powerfull, that you going to notice when you have the first game.
4 months ago
This is actually a pretty cool list - a lot of it synergizes well with the sacrifice theme and there's a strong Meren shell here.
Some potential additions:
Plaguecrafter is an insane uncommon from GRN - strictly better than others with the same effect. I'd have as many of the effects as possible, so a third doesn't hurt.
Board wipes in general. I don't think I see any, and board wipes are the "Get Out of Jail Free" cards of Commander. If you're behind, they let you catch up with opponents. Some ideas: Living Death (solid card - we've already seen what this can do, and in your deck, a deck with lots of ETB and sac value, this is just good), Decree of Pain (hefty CMC, but the card advantage this gives you is insane), Black Sun's Zenith (gets around indestructibility, -1/-1 counters are a pain for everyone). You do have some dictate effects (i.e. Dictate of Erebos) which can function as indirect board wipes, but it's a win-more type of board wipe. Dictate effects are still amazing - don't get me wrong.
Spore Frog. Oh god. It's Spore Frog. The single most frustrating card for most decks facing Meren. It's one CMC, gets you a free counter on Meren each turn, saves you from combat, and then is revived for further use. Somebody tries to exile it? Sacrifice it in response. They still get fogged. Just make sure to save it for instant speed - that is, wait until their turn to use it.
Viscera Seer. One of the most important things for sacrfice decks is ways to sacrifice creatures. Viscera Seer is amazing at this. Just like Spore Frog, it gets you a counter on Meren each turn and a free scry. Not only this, but it gives you ways to sac creatures at instant speed for no cost - just a great effect!
Buried Alive fetches you anything you want. Want a Spore Frog? Sure. Want to fetch out Protean Hulk to pull out an infinite combo win? You betcha.
Speaking of Protean Hulk, I don't think newer players realize how utterly insane this card is. There was a time when this thing was banned in commander - it's a seriously broken card. There's a whole list on r/CompetitiveEDH about this card's infinite combos: https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveEDH/comments/67czr7/protean_hulk_combos_by_color/. Considering including one in the deck. Though a little out of your price range for now, one of the most reliable and flexible is Mikaeus, the Unhallowed and Walking Ballista. They both enter play at the same time (since X = 0 for Walking Ballista if you pull it out of your deck with Hulk, you can pull it and Mikeaus [whose cmc = 6] at the same time, since 6 + 0 = 6) , and since X = 0, Walking Ballista immediately dies due to state based effects, which then brings it back with a +1/+1 counter from undying. Remove the counter, deal 1 damage to a player, return the ballista, repeat forever! You win by pinging your opponents to death! Well actually it doesn't work. Since Mikeaus gives non-humans +1/+1 in addition to undying, Walking Ballista will still be a 1/1 after the counter is removed. If you have a sac outlet out (such as Viscera Seer), you can sac Walking Ballista after removing the counter to fuel the combo, and have it go infinite. This is one of the Protean Hulk combos, and is probably the most fair one (and I'm using 'fair' losely here - Protean Hulk is still fetching a win nearly every time it dies). Plus, a Hulk combo gives you a reliable win condition to defeat your opponent with.
Fecundity. I don't know why I don't see this card played more. Despite the symmetrical effect (that is - both you and your opponents drawing cards), you'll be making the most advantage off of it. Spore Frog now draws you an extra card each turn - so does Viscera Seer! Not to mention that it just helps the sacrifice player overall more than others.
Black Market. Oh boy. So much mana. 'Nuff said. I love this card. Mana is super valuable in Commander, as in all formats, and this card gives it in the bucketload.
Beast Within or Krosan Grip or Nature's Claim. Beast Within is probably the one I would use, but I just think you might want a spot removal for enchantments. I don't see any other way besides Golgari Charm, which is meh for it at best, in your deck to deal with them, and they are an important card to be able to destroy. Plus, the versatility of Beast Within is just really good - destroy target permanent.
Birthing Pod. Yeah, this is on the pricier side, which is why I added it at the end. It's another broken card, and is banned in modern but still has a pricetag because of its commander play. It tutors for things, which is a great effect in Magic.
Diabolic Intent. Dunno. Just seems pretty good. Never really used it.
Some potential cuts:
Champion of Stray Souls offers a Living Death impression, but not a good one at that. It's really expensive to use and I don't think it's in your best interests to keep it, as it's a six CMC fattie that doesn't really contribute to your plan.
Cloudthresher. Damnation and Wrath of God and Toxic Deluge and Evacuation and Blasphemous Act and Merciless Eviction all do more than just touch flying creatures, and cost the same or less. They might not be in your colors, but as you're in Black, you have access to the single best board wipes in the game. One that touches only flyers and only does 2 damage (a low amount in commander) is pretty underwhelming.
Caller of the Pack. Generic big dumb green fatty. Dunno. Guess it's fine? It's more or less Vanilla, despite having myriad, and contributes nothing to your plan as the tokens it creates aren't even sacrificed - they go into exile.
Banshee of the Dread Choir has the same problem as with Caller of the Pack. Just a semi-vanilla card that doesn't really do anything for you.
Dread Summons feels more like a mill card? Doesn't really have much in the way of sacrifice, besides the 2/2 bodies. I think there are much better cards for this slot.
Golgari Charm. It's fine, but not great. Beast Within is better.
Wretched Confluence. Again, it's fine, but there are better cards for this slot.
Hope this helps. The deck seems pretty solid - you've got a good Meren shell, and I look forward to seeing the finished deck!
4 months ago
The Vivid Lands (Vivid Creek etc) and Shards' and Khans' block Trilands (Arcane Sanctum etc) are always what I go to when I gotta build a 5-color mana base. They are dirt cheap and very effective for making sure that you got access to all your colors. The old standard 5-color control decks of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor era were playing Cloudthreshers and Cruel Ultimatums in the same deck, thanks to the Vivid Lands combined with Reflecting Pool. That's a quadruple green spell combined with UUBBBRR mana cost and really is a testament to those lands' power.
11 months ago
a few ideas to consider. take these, or leave them, just concepts to possibly make omnath more dangerous!
since green is weaker on the removal, you may want to include creatures that have nice ETB removal. terestadon and woodfall primus are nice additions to consider.
instead of your spiders i would consider Cloudthresher, since it has flash, reach deals damage to flyers, and it can be evoked. super versatile considering its 7/7 body.
already mentioned was Ghalta, Primal Hunger. the value cast you can get out of this creature is incredible. for a 12/12 trample. so good, especially since we want targets for opponent spells other than omnath.
another creature to consider would be Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar. this card scales well for mid and late game, and can even be cast turn 4 with proper acceleration. very good card all around, with some sticky protection. also, both ghalta and multani have trample. very important.
one final consideration: i would focus on ramp spells more than doubling effects. maybe 70% ramp spells, and 30% doubling (can be as different as you like) but for these reasons: (1) ramp spells help you early on more so, and doublers tend to be more expensive and mid/late game cards. as such, they tend to be "win more" cards rather than important cards. dont get me wrong, in omnath that can get you to a 40/40 omnath quickly, and (2) land destruction is an uncommon removal type in EDH, and if it is there it is usually a one off like strip mine. so adding more land to your pool instead of using mana-doublers to generate your green mana may have better sustainability from wrath effects.(screw you merciless eviction)
Cloudthresher occurrence in decks from the last year
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