Nethroi, Apex of Death
Creature — Cat Nightmare Beast
Mutate (If you cast this spell for its mutate cost, put it ontop or underneath target non-Human creature you own. They mutate into the creature that is on top and that creature has all the abilities of every card that is underneath it.)
Whenever this creature mutates, return any number of target creature cards with total power 10 or less from your graveyard to the battlefield.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
Nethroi, Apex of Death Discussion
1 month ago
So to me, that means that:
I'd say the first 4 in that list are definite staples that need to stay. Revival / Revenge seems to do it's job well too. Everything else does its job, but doesn't have haste or has some minor downside, so there's potentially room for improvement.
Personally, my top choices of everything I'm going to throw out there is as follows:
I also see a lot of cards in here to counter control/removal. Have you considered a bigger hexproof/shroud creature, or something that's just uncounterable and a threat? There's also recursion, which Revival / Revenge does a pretty good job at, but some other options I can think of for that are Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip, Lurrus of the Dream-Den, Necropanther, Vesperlark or Nethroi, Apex of Death.
Also, I know you don't have red, but General Ferrous Rokiric seems like it would be a good consideration for that type of a slot. Hexproof agaianst most removal and it synergizes with all of the multicolored you have going on.
Better fits as far as colors go are Reaper of the Wilds, Sigarda, Host of Herons, Thrun, the Last Troll, Witchstalker, Carnage Tyrant, Loxodon Smiter or Dragonlord Dromoka. Some are wish targets while others aren't, figured i'd throw out anything that had potential though.
To me, a wish target has to either be low enough that you can cast it same turn, or big and strong enough that you can cast it next turn and it turns the game around/seals the deal.
I just think you have a lot of slots in the sideboard that accomplish the same basic thing and you might be able to get away with condensing it a bit more to give more versatility for broader answers like psuedo-board wipes, silver-bullets, etc.
So if all that rambling somehow allows you to free up maybe a slot or 2 and still cover everything you need to cover, then maybe you will have the space to consider a broader selection of counterplay instead of just furthering your own strategy.
There's also things like Vindicate that hit lands too, which could help with the tron match as well as covering basically everything.
1 month ago
This is something that I only witnessed across the table, but it's too good not to share.
We were playing some casual 5 player commander, with me on Reyav, Master Smith, and my opponents on Marwyn, the Nurturer, Nethroi, Apex of Death, Blim, Comedic Genius, and Otrimi, the Ever-Playful/Umori, the Collector-creatures. This pre-HBer ban, and the Otrimi player has a commanding boardstate with both Opposition Agent and Hullbreacher. The Blim player has a Steel Golem, though, and he gets it through--shutting the Otrimi player out of the game entirely for about 5 turns till he gets a Murderous Rider off.
This Sultai player is one of the most level-headed people I know, but he kept shaking his head and saying "dude, I'm on all creatures..."
4 months ago
Alright, with an egyptian theme and no blue, the options are a bit narrower. What you need for the egyptian theme to work is white (white zombies are Amonkhet's thing). Zombies also need black, and, for a 3rd color, green is decent for zombies.
Kathril, Aspect Warper looks a bit like a scarab beetle, which could work for theme, but you'd have to get creative with the deck to have it work as a zombie deck (not a bad thing).
Nethroi, Apex of Death might fit the egyptian love of cats, and this definitely works for zombies.
5 months ago
Hmm, this is strange. As far as I can tell, the endpanel and endaccordion lines are in the code, but it's not showing up in the description. I put the code for the description in a code box if you want to glance over it. Thanks for your help dude!
===accordion ===panel: Background I started playing Magic the Gathering back when Guilds of Ravnica was released. I bought 2 fat packs, and promptly built a Dimir surveil "standard" deck that was a steaming pile of hot poo. I then tried to "fix" it by adding in green, making it a sultai deck. This did nothing. However, ever since then, graveyard decks as well as the colors Black/Green/X have always had a special place in my heart. While I was assessing my commander decks, I realized I had never built a deck revolving around the graveyard, and I knew what I had to do. ===endpanel ===panel: Building the Deck To the Interwebs! I rushed to the computer to look on EDHRec to see what graveyard commanders there were. I already had a decent idea of what I was searching for. I had heard of [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]], [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]], as well as [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], but none of these seemed to speak to me. Going strictly Golgari seemed limiting, as there were many cards I wanted to play in blue. However, when I add blue to my decks, I always somehow turn it into a control deck, and I wanted this to be fun for the whole table. So, that idea sadly had to be thrown in the trash. I looked back over my options, and realized that I liked the idea of [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], I just didn't like how it limited you to one card per turn from the graveyard. So, I looked more into the Abzan colors, and found [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]]. It was exactly what I was looking for. ===endpanel ===panel: Gameplan With [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]], I would be able to fill my graveyard to my hearts content, then at the opportune moment cast my commander, reanimating most of my graveyard and turning the tide of the game. Ideally, I would win on the spot once I cast my commander, but since that is not always guaranteed, I added in some "stax" (not sure if that is the right word). Essentially just cards that would slow down my opponents until I can fill up my graveyard with the combo, then reanimate it again with Nethroi. ===endpanel ===panel: Winning the Game The main way this deck wins is through a combo involving [[Reveillark]], [[Karmic Guide]], a sac outlet such as [[Viscera Seer]], and a pinger, such as [[Blood Artist]]. Assuming all the pieces are on the battlefield, you can sacrifice the Karmic Guide to the sac outlet. Now, there is a [[Reveillark]], [[Viscera Seer]], and a [[Blood Artist]] on the battlefield, with a [[Karmic Guide]] in the graveyard. Then, you can sacrifice the [[Reveillark]] to the [[Viscera Seer]] to bring back the [[Karmic Guide]]. When the Karmic Guide enters the battlefield, it's ability will trigger, allowing you to bring back the [[Reveillark]], so you can repeat the process as many times as you need, until every opponent dies from [[Blood Artist]] triggers. <br> <br> While this deck may win through a combo, I don't want it to be as competitive as possible, as most of my playgroup is limited to a tight budget (College will do that to ya). ===endpanel ===panel: Budget In regards to budget, I'm trying to only buy <$100 worth of cards. I already own most of the cards in the deck, but any I don't I'll put in the acquire section. ===endpanel ===panel: Things I've Noticed/Help Needed A few things I've noticed when I goldfished a couple hands with this deck is that it's very mana hungry, and its early game presence is quite lackluster. I tried cutting cards to add in more ramp, but it's to the point where I love every card in the deck, and I can't bring myself to cut more (it was originally a quite hefty 148 card deck when I first drew up a rough draft). What do you think I could cut/replace to keep the core idea of the deck, while getting it down to 100 cards? It seems to be a little all over the place, and I keep noticing I don't have the right cards I need in my hand at the right time. Since this is my first Commander/EDH graveyard focused deck, what are your thoughts? What are things I can improve (besides the atrocious mana curve)? ===endpanel ===panel: Upgrades/Cards I'm Considering This is a list of potential upgrades for down the road, as they're too expensive for the deck at the moment:<br> [[Hermit Druid]]<br> [[Birds of Paradise]]<br> [[Protean Hulk]]<br> [[Fauna Shaman]]<br><br> This is the list of cards I'm considering putting in the deck: <br> [[Ancient Craving]] <br> [[Dakmor Salvage]] <br> [[Drownyard Temple]] <br> [[Night's Whisper]] <br> [[Painful Truths]] <br> [[Plumb the Forbidden]] <br> [[Sign in Blood]] <br> [[Village Rites]] <br> [[Brainspoil]] (can grab [[Karmic Guide]] or [[Reveillark]]) <br> [[Skullwinder]] <br> ===endpanel ===panel: Changelog This is just a spot for me to know what I took out for what, in the case that some cards I add underperform, or some are overperformers :)<br><br> 05/07/21 <br> -[[Fiend Hunter]] OUT for [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]. While Relic-Warder does not target creatures, it combos with [[Animate Dead]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect.<br> -[[Morality Shift]] OUT for [[Skullclamp]]. Mortality Shift's 7 cmc is pretty high, and by the time I can cast it there are probably better things to do. Skullclamp allows me to draw cards, one thing that this deck is lacking, for a very low cost. <br> -[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[Sun Titan]] are OUT. Magistrate was only in as a friend has several scary [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] decks, and it shuts him down until he removes it. I'm still on the fence about Sun Titan. It IS a nice effect, but I'm struggling to justify the mana cost, and if I decide to reanimate it, there are generally better targets to reanimate. <be> -[[Fertilid]] OUT for [[Cultivate]]. While Fertilid is a pretty fun target for Nethroi's reanimate ability, I've found I'm struggling to cast Nethroi in the first place. ===endpanel ===endaccordion
5 months ago
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I hope I formatted this correctly, it's been a while since I've been on here. This is my first graveyard/reanimator type deck, and I'm using Nethroi, Apex of Death as the commander. I could use some help cutting the last few cards, as I keep finding cards I want to put in, and can't decide on what to cut! Also, if you have any suggestions on how to make it more streamlined (it seems a bit clunky at the moment), that would be very helpful. Thanks in advance!
5 months ago
Nice list! Got some inspiration from it for my own Karador deck. I dont think you need Gift of Immortality , Kaya's Ghostform and Swiftfoot Boots . Sure, your commander are central for your strategy, but the cost reduction does include commander tax, so it will always cost you 3 mana if you fill you yard efficiently. See my list for inspiration, Hermit Druid is a goddamn beast in a Karador list! Reduce your basic land count and include that guy for some serious self mill. I use 6 basics because i don't want it to be auto win, but feel free to go down to 1-2 basics to really abuse the hermit :). Eldritch Evolution targeting Karador (you can always recast him for 3) plays any creature with cmc 10 or lower from your deck. Yosei, the Morning Star with a sac outlet lets you Stasis your opponent while tapping down all their stuff. Nethroi, Apex of Death can mutate from your graveyard, so as long as you mill that guy you have a way to play any amount of creatures with total power 10 from your graveyard any time you have Karador out :). Stitcher's Supplier is a great self mill card especially with a sac outlet.
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5 months ago
Welcome to the world of green/black.
7 months ago
This is an interesting take on snow control. As awesome and fun Nethroi, Apex of Death is, I don't think he's a good fit in this deck. His reanimation would get 1-2 creatures back most of the time cause of the power of your creatures. Since you're playing white, I recommend Brought Back if you want recursion, especially with how many wrath effects you have. Granted it's not standard legal anymore, so if you're playing this on Arena, might have to build it in Historic. Or, if you're afraid of your board being wiped, Glorious Protector is an all star at saving your whole board. Combos really nice with a foretold Doomskar
Last idea is maybe replace the Icebreaker Kraken with Koma, Cosmos Serpent . Even at 1 copy, he is an amazing threat thats pretty good at protecting himself, and still a great mutate target. The Kraken is fun as a budget threat, but very lack luster compared to any big creature at a similar CMC.
Over all, really considering throwing more Mutate into some decks thanks to this list.